posted May 22, 2012 01:07 PM            

The people bringing race into this are people like you. There's nothing remotely race-based about anything I've said. (What I've said is true regardless of Trayvon's race or color. You should consider that before you try making other people out as taking this to be a racial issue.) As the only person to bring race into this, I think it's only logical that you'd be the one with egg on his face. This is compounded by your article's poor assertion that Trayvon's beating Zimmerman up is the relevent sin here.

posted May 22, 2012 01:23 PM            

another "stand your ground" case just recently sent a woman to jail for firing a shot in the air to warn off her estranged husband, against whom she had a restraining order, who had broken said order and entered HER house. no one was hurt. she was offered a plea bargain but turned it down because no one was hurt and she was acting in self-defense. her word against his only. but the point is, this came to trial and despite her claim that she had reason to believe (and a restraining order too) she was in danger...

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'

i don't know if this is the same witness who since then has come forward to say he doesn't KNOW which person was screaming for help...he LOGICALLY DEDUCED it was the man on the ground (the apparent underdog) but since then has thought he might have been mistaken.

trayvon's parents differed as to whether the voice on the tapes was trayvon or NOT.

as dershowitz points out, so far there is no conclusive evidence as to who STARTED the fight. if zimmerman started it and trayvon defended himself, is he guilty for coming out on top? is it still self-defense if you attack someone and they prove a better fighter than you?

(by the way, a defense lawyer like dershowitz is paid to get his client off, if only through a loophole or by casting doubt on evidence; he is NOT there to prove innocence and often doesn't even try..as i know very well jwhop understands)

if someone tries to mug me and in defending myself i break their arm, am i guilty of assault? this actually happened to me once, only it was a boyfriend who took a swing at me and as i raised my arm to block my face, his hand connected with my arm bone and got broken...was i guilty? he came home from hospital with a cast and said "look what you did to me!" sorry, guy, instant karma. and end of relationship. not a court in any place i have ever lived would have judged me guilty.

posted May 22, 2012 01:28 PM            

in the interest of taking race out of this case, barbara simpson, mentioned above, claimed that because zimmerman is not WHITE (as implied by some media sources) but hispanic, race is not an issue.

being white perhaps she doesn't realize that blacks and hispanics do not see each other as the same just because they are not white. that is a completely white point of view. many blacks consider hispanics far more anti-black than most whites they know. and vice versa.

but this woman is blind to her own racism, to the point where she thinks she has none. a black boy in a hoodie should KNOW he looks supspicious in a gated community full of affluent homes. a hispanic would NEVER profile a black person. these are racist statements whether you understand it or not.

posted May 22, 2012 01:32 PM            

she describes what she heard without ascribing guilt to anyone, or trying to fill in the picture of what she heard. it does NOT describe zimmerman having "backed off" but AFTER trayvon had been running (and was breathing hard from it) "another voice" ALSO breathing hard as if winded, CONFRONTING him - trayvon's voice asking "why are you following me?" being answered with "what are you doing around here" and then a thump followed by near-total disconnect as the phone hit the ground ...

seems like trayvon decided to stand HIS ground. who landed the first punch? no way of knowing.

i would still like a link to the claim that zimmerman DID BACK OFF as categorically stated by someone who doesn't have the time to provide a source.

posted May 22, 2012 01:42 PM            

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[b]Be nice Node-y or I will talk to you

good thing this is a VIRTUAL room or that might be construed as a threat. as it is, no case! but since when are you able to tell when someone is being nice or not, ami? [/B]

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posted May 22, 2012 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
oh really!?! in what ami-centric world?

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posted May 23, 2012 08:20 AM            

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lol indeed

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posted May 23, 2012 08:54 AM            

You're such an ass acoustic. In fact, you're all mindless ass and no brain.

From the beginning, the main stream media have tried to make this shooting all about race...white man racially profiles, then stalks poor black youth and shoots him from a distance. Race baiting loudmouths like the reverrrend Al...Sharpton have been all over these lies which fall like drool from his mouth.

Where in the hell have you been acoustic.

An NBC Producer was fired for manipulating the the 911 call to make it appear Zimmerman was profiling Martin...as a black.

Pull your head out of you ass acoustic. It won't make you any smarter..that's not possible, but at least you might be able to see some light.

NBC Fires Producer in Flap Over Manipulated 911 Call in Trayvon Martin Case
5:23 PM PDT 4/6/2012
by Paul Bond

The controversy erupted after "Today" aired a segment that made shooter George Zimmerman sound as though he was racially profiling the 17-year-old black youth.
NBC News has fired the producer it deemed most responsible for the airing of a selectively edited 911 call placed by George Zimmerman the night he killed Trayvon Martin.

Sources at NBC who asked not to be identified confirmed a New York Times story saying that a Miami-based producer was fired Thursday, though the sources refused to identify the former employee.

The offending segment aired on NBC’s Today show March 27 but went widely unnoticed until it was highlighted by conservative outlets such as the Media Research Center and Breitbart.com.

Two days after the Today gaffe, Sean Hannity ran a segment about NBC’s manipulation of the 911 call on his Fox News Channel show. The story went viral when the Drudge Report linked to a Hollywood Reporter story about the growing controversy last week.

In the original 911 call, Zimmerman is heard describing Martin as such: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

The dispatcher then asks: “OK, and this guy – is he white, black or Hispanic?”

“He looks black,” Zimmerman responds.

The version NBC ran, though, was much shorter and did not include the question posed by the 911 operator.

“This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black,” Zimmerman is heard saying in NBC’s edited version.

The difference is significant, since activists have been claiming that Zimmerman had racially profiled Martin. Critics have argued that NBC set out to purposely advance that narrative by condensing the 911 tape to make it appear that Zimmerman’s motivation for assuming Martin was “up to no good” was based on his skin color.

NBC announced Saturday that it had launched an investigation into the matter, and on Tuesday it apologized for its “error” and said it had completed its inquiry.

“We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers,” NBC said Tuesday.

posted May 23, 2012 11:21 AM            

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From the beginning, the main stream media have tried to make this shooting all about race...white man racially profiles, then stalks poor black youth and shoots him from a distance. Race baiting loudmouths like the reverrrend Al...Sharpton have been all over these lies which fall like drool from his mouth.

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Regardless of what ANY media has said, the simple fact of the matter is that race doesn't matter. You're chasing the race story. I'm saying that if Trayvon was white, asian, indian, black, eskimo, or whatever race in the world you'd like to choose this wouldn't have gone down if Zimmerman hadn't pursued. That's what was requested of him by authorities, and that's what he should have done. Makes no difference what Trayvon's race was.

I didn't follow the story early on, but you know what I did see --what was hard to avoid? The outcry over profiling a guy wearing a hoodie. Not a black guy wearing a hoodie. Just ANY guy wearing a hoodie. People were even talking about how Jesus wore a hoodie.

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posted May 23, 2012 12:12 PM            

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but the entire thrust of this shooting..from the point of political activists, main stream media, political pundits and race baiting reverrrend idiots like Al Sharpton have been all about RACE.

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You lumped me in with these people.

So acoustic, you, the race hustlers, race baiters, political hucksters in the MSM and the utterly political prosecutor have egg all over your faces as the facts come out in this case.

Me, the race hustlers, race baiters, etc.? One of these things is not like the others. And I had just gotten done telling you, "This isn't about "race hustlers" as you're calling them."

Also, just because race was the brought up prominently at the start doesn't mean YOU have to speak to that. You are perfectly welcome to speak about more relevent pieces of the story.

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Let's call that "willful ignorance"!

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posted May 23, 2012 12:23 PM            

There was never a prosecutable case there, not from the very beginning! The only reason there is a prosecution of Zimmerman is because of the very people I listed, the race baiters, the race manipulators in the MSM, the screeching racist reverrrend Al, the racist political pundits...all of whom were shrieking for the blood of a white man who they said "murdered" Martin. None of it had a word of truth to be found. It was always about RACE!

posted May 23, 2012 12:25 PM            

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What is it you don't understand about the Zimmerman/Martin acoustic?

There was never a prosecutable case there, not from the very beginning! The only reason there is a prosecution of Zimmerman is because of the very people I listed, the race baiters, the race manipulators in the MSM, the screeching racist reverrrend Al, the racist political pundits...all of whom were shrieking for the blood of a white man who they said "murdered" Martin. None of it had a word of truth to be found. It was always about RACE!

Yet, you...and others swallowed the racist bullshiit like mother's milk. So much for your objectivity acoustic. Pull your head out!

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posted May 23, 2012 12:41 PM            

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There was never a prosecutable case there, not from the very beginning! The only reason there is a prosecution of Zimmerman is because of the very people I listed, the race baiters, the race manipulators in the MSM, the screeching racist reverrrend Al, the racist political pundits...all of whom were shrieking for the blood of a white man who they said "murdered" Martin. None of it had a word of truth to be found. It was always about RACE!

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Untrue. There was always a manslaughter case that could be brought against Zimmerman.

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Yet, you...and others swallowed the racist bullshiit like mother's milk. So much for your objectivity acoustic. Pull your head out!

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Once again you're claiming something you know to be untrue. I didn't swallow any racist BS. That would be you. My objectivity is in tact thank you very much. Ever since YOU brought up race, I've been saying it's not about race. I can't get any clearer than that.

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posted May 23, 2012 01:34 PM            

EVERY person has the right to SELF DEFENSE. The eye witness..who was 30 feet away told police Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the hell out of him. Zimmerman had a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head, was bleeding profusely, indicating his head had been slammed into the pavement repeatedly. The pathologist's report said Martin was shot from close range..1 inch to no more than 18 inches. Zimmerman had NO OPTION to retreat. He was on the ground with Martin on top of him.

posted May 23, 2012 02:25 PM            

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EVERY person has the right to SELF DEFENSE. The eye witness..who was 30 feet away told police Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the hell out of him. Zimmerman had a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head, was bleeding profusely, indicating his head had been slammed into the pavement repeatedly. The pathologist's report said Martin was shot from close range..1 inch to no more than 18 inches. Zimmerman had NO OPTION to retreat. He was on the ground with Martin on top of him.

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Everything you said here is correct except Zimmerman's option to retreat, which he was capable when he was told, "That won't be necessary," in regards to his following Trayvon.

Trayvon also had the right to self defense, and was doing so. Do you have a problem with Trayvon's self-defense?

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Now acoustic, just who in the hell do you think I'm going to believe here about a prosecution in this case; you, a proven Mr Know Nothing? Or Alan Dershowitz, imminent legal scholar, professor of law at Harvard Law School and the foremost criminal attorney in the world?

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Well, number one I'm not a proven Mr. Know Nothing as repeatedly illustrated to you here over the years. Second, you are free to believe the police who said from the start that Zimmerman could be held liable for manslaughter.

posted May 23, 2012 02:41 PM            

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674

posted May 23, 2012 04:53 PM            

If you'd like that to be submitted into evidence for your case, please be so kind as to prove it.

posted May 23, 2012 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
That would be great IF it were a point I'm missing. The only person to ever suggest Martin went after Zimmerman here is Ami, and she refused to prove her own story.

If you'd like that to be submitted into evidence for your case, please be so kind as to prove it.

The only little thing you seem to be missing is something I've told you repeatedly: Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin. This means that even if you were to prove Martin went after Zimmerman, it was only after Zimmerman was asked to back off by the authorities.

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posted May 23, 2012 05:10 PM            

"George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.[...]