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Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2012 03:11 PM
  
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Originally posted by katatonic:
so i guess only the parts you agree with are to be taken literally in this day and age? please re-post those that you like and i will let leviticus know he needs to edit.that's right, jwhop, nowhere does the bible define "wife" as a woman. if it does, please prove me wrong. a gay man may have a male wife and a gay female a female husband. by law in several states and rising as we move FORWARD!
 You think someone is gonna REALLY waste their time on this.
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shura
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posted May 24, 2012 03:18 PM
Hold on a moment. We're oh so conveniently losing sight of the issue. What does the religious scripture of the Hebrews have to do with the State and Federal laws of my country? Quite frankly, I don't give a - block you ears, ami - a flying f*ck what the Book of Leviticus has to say. And guess what? I'm not alone. I'm a citizen, I pay my taxes, I write my congressmen, I obey the laws, I occasionally vote. Now explain to me why, should I care to entire into a mutually acceptable legal contract of marriage with another female, my state and federal government will not recognize that contract.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2012 03:57 PM
Shura
Ask Kat. She did the quoting.
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AcousticGod
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posted May 24, 2012 04:45 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/many-catholic-bishops-resist-a-fight-with-the-obama-administration/2012/05/23/gJQAJIeClU_story.html?hpid=z8 IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 24, 2012 05:05 PM
i quoted leviticus because it is the ONLY book in the bible that discusses homosexuality. yet the "christian" right continually refer to "the bible" as their source of repugnance for same.ami thinks it's funny that that source contains so many silly laws and restrictions. me too! hey another agreement. but ami also says the bible should be taken as a LITERAL GUIDE to life today as well as then...so, jwhop and ami, rather than GOAT for dinner, help yourself to your human kids. the book says so. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 24, 2012 05:31 PM
i expect someone may bring a suit against the baptist preacher who just recommended incarcerating gays behind an electric fence until they "die out because they can't reproduce, y'know"...not that being a crackpot is actually a crime yet.IP: Logged |
shura
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posted May 24, 2012 06:23 PM
Kat, the question was directed to Jwhop. Ami's opinions are of no interest to me and I suspect your views on the matter are similar to my own. My small government friend, however, doesn't have a leg to stand on with this one and he knows it.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 24, 2012 07:02 PM
as is true a large percent of the time. i just wanted to make a little clearer why i would post the ridiculous leviticus regulations...and people think socialists are controlling??IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2012 07:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
i quoted leviticus because it is the ONLY book in the bible that discusses homosexuality. yet the "christian" right continually refer to "the bible" as their source of repugnance for same.ami thinks it's funny that that source contains so many silly laws and restrictions. me too! hey another agreement. but ami also says the bible should be taken as a LITERAL GUIDE to life today as well as then...so, jwhop and ami, rather than GOAT for dinner, help yourself to your human kids. the book says so.
Kat, if you studied the Bible, you would know that the Law was GIVEN so it could be abrogated. You should not go up against Bible scholars when you know jack  ------------------
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juniperb
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posted May 24, 2012 10:05 PM
Ami Anne, I have studied the Bible and I do know jack.  The Law absolutely was not intended to be abrogated nor was ever abrogated! I will let you read Jesus The Christ`s very own words regarding the Law. Mat 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy "abrogate", but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/i]
Not my words or meaning but Jesus`s.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2012 10:09 PM
Well, abrogated may not be the right word but the Law was given to SHOW that no one could keep it. It was NOT given to follow. It was given to show man he could NOT follow it and that he needed a Savior. That is a clearer way to say it.
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juniperb
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posted May 24, 2012 10:13 PM
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Well, abrogated may not be the right word but the Law was given to SHOW that no one could keep
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Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2012 10:16 PM
Jesus fufilled the Law. Yes, but MAN was never expected to do so. The Law was given so man would SEE that man needed a Savior to fufill the Law. All those Leviticus quotes Kat put up were NOT meant to be followed as it was impossible.That is what I meant by the word abrogated. The laws were given SO man would despair of ever meeting them and look to Jesus to do so. To try to explain all this seemed too much at the time, but this is what the situation was. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2012 10:23 PM
Well, take for example that man could not look at a woman with lust or it was like adultery. NO one could do that. No one could KEEP the Law. That was the PURPOSE for the Law, in part. The other part was that man was going wild and there would not be a virgin to whom Jesus could be born as it was getting very wild without the Law. When Cain killed Abel, murder was not a sin, as there was NO Law. God did not give the Law until later, in the history of man.However, the Law was so, so strict that no person could keep it. God wanted man to despair of finding God through the Law so to look to a Savior. The Orthodox Jews try to keep the Law. I dated an Orthodox guy. There were a million rules. However, even if one tried to do every one, one could not. It was impossible. Jesus is the Savior for man, not his own works. That is why the Law is so, so, so impossible to follow, as Kat put up. That was my point.
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2012 03:16 PM
which doesn't alter my point one millimeter. not only are they impossible, they are ridiculous! are you now saying that jesus followed the law, and ate HIS children? or do you cling to the celibate jesus figure? the fact is, this is STILL the ONLY place in the bible that mentions homosexuals. if you can find another, particularly in the NEW TESTAMENT, which is the christian part of the bible, i will be happy to see it. but the christian right and their shepherds insist that "the bible says homosexuality is an abomination". as to the bible, i may not be a rabbi but i know a few things. enough with the superior/condescending schtick, already. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2012 03:28 PM
LOL I am too wrapped up trying to use new software and feeling like a one fingered ape to let you bother me, Kat ------------------
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2012 03:34 PM
but not too busy to come here and evade again. i am not trying to bother, you ami, i don't come here to stick my tongue out like some but to question unthinking dogma. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2012 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
but not too busy to come here and evade again. i am not trying to bother, you ami, i don't come here to stick my tongue out like some but to question unthinking dogma.
I come to say Hello and chat but I can't explain the Bible to a hostile person, such as yourself  ------------------
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Emeraldopal
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posted May 25, 2012 04:10 PM
I have a hard time understanding
anyone,
who believes the written word 100%transposing and changing these scrolls
along the way..
gospels excluded... it shall be a rude
Awakening for anyone..
who has not gone within
and verified by affirmations
with Mother and Father God
who art in Heaven
or God Force
however you see it... hidden gospels have come
to Light, Mary and Jesus
were married..had children.,
this is 100% Truth
and the Truth is Mighty
and Above ALL. ... to perpetuate lies
is not part of GOD...
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2012 04:19 PM
i am not hostile to the bible, do you consider questions hostility?? nor am i hostile to you following your faith. but there are a lot of idiots out there claiming that jesus or the bible "tells us" something is right or wrong. they should be able to back up those claims, just like you should when you say zimmerman went back to his truck. i realize you listen only to the tabloid hosts, this makes it hard to take your opinions seriously. i never question a person's faith, though i WILL question whether they are just using it as a get-out for thinking. i don't believe that is a productive use of religion. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2012 04:21 PM
You are too hostile for me to teach. I bequeath the job to a better man than I. Jwhop, you want the job  IP: Logged |
Emeraldopal
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posted May 25, 2012 04:24 PM
when we work with God..we have 100% Faith.. we are able to deal
with any and all
Obstacles... there is no passing the buck. ...
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Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2012 04:26 PM
Well, I know no one with 100% faith, so if you are that person, you belong in the Smithsonian
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Emeraldopal
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posted May 25, 2012 04:29 PM
Well, now you do...
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2012 04:39 PM
i am not looking to be taught, ami, though willing to learn. i am wondering how your brain deals with all the contradictions both in the bible and in people's using it as incontrovertible proof that they are RIGHT.for instance how does a baptist minister condone his own suggestion that all gays should be quarantined (as in concentration camps) until they die out "because they can't reproduce"? apparently he doesn't know that being gay does not make one sterile? don't you think an education is an important asset to one of god's shepherds? IP: Logged |
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