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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2012 01:09 PM This is a serious question and a desire, on my part, to know where you are coming from. This is my question. If you were starting a small business in an area of your passion. We will say your passion could be classic cars, woodworking, carpentry, breeding dogs or opening a restaurant. You would be a small business and want to succeed. How could someone like Obama help you? How could the current Democratic party help you? ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6068 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 31, 2012 03:18 PM Well, first of all, it's ironic to say, but should I be looking for the government to be helping me? This may be another area of apparent contradiction within the Republican party, but if you're looking for benefits from the government, you're really acting like what-a-Republican-thinks-is a Democrat. If I see that we're all free to make our livings the way we see fit under the law, and if I see that businesses exists under the law, then I should assume that conditions are at the very least adequate for these existing businesses to operate. But you're more asking about how Democratic governance can be pro-business. I do have to wonder if that's a distraction overall. We know that there are big wealth centers in the United States that are dominantly Democratic. That's all I can say at the moment. It's the end of the month, so work is a little crazy right now. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2012 04:59 PM Nooo you got me wrong. I want little government regulation of business or anything. It seems Dems cripple small business with a million regulations and huge taxes. Maybe, the big guy gets off tax wise, but not the small guy or even the professional like doctor or lawyer. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6068 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 31, 2012 07:03 PM Most regulation is designed and intended to help the consumer or keep the consumer safe. I have no qualms with there being regulations in general. Part of planning anything such as a business is taking things like regulations into account. If you can't make your business model work within the legal framework, then you need to adapt. All legitimate business is subject to the law. Yes, the law can be changed, but then it's a question of the law changing at whose expense. Do you make things easier for business while sacrificing the public's well being, or do you maintain the public's well being and make the business find a work-around? The goal should generally be to find a win-win, but in absense of that, I think you have to maintain the well being of the citizenship. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2012 07:22 PM Well, I don't believe in child labor, but I don't believe in the MASSIVE restrictions and taxes on small business, either. They have so many mandates that most businesses fail. It is so, so, so sad. For example, even the minimum wage. You cannot artifically prop up something. When I was a kid, there were so many summer jobs. I had all sorts of fun jobs and I never had trouble getting one. Now, jobs are scarce. Every little thing is regulated or has to be afraid of lawsuits on and on. My son wanted to volunteer at a hospital for his college project. No hospital would take him except one where I had pull. They are afraid lawsuits if he hurts himself or someone else etc. When I was in college, I volunteered at the hospital that was part of my college. I did it for most of my years there. It was no biggie. Everything is so whacked that the simple workings of businesses and jobs are getting to be close to impossible. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
shura Knowflake Posts: 383 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted May 31, 2012 09:59 PM You're a patient man, AG. All these years on GU yet it doesn't appear to have worn down one bit. Hats off to you. IP: Logged
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6068 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2012 12:51 PM I think you've misplaced the blame for the lack of jobs. There's a lack of jobs because the economy tanked, and the big businesses are largely sitting on their money while they wait out the storm. Regulations and restrictions are only a small of the puzzle of getting a business off the ground. There are a lot more inherently business-like concerns when starting a business such as measuring your market, accessing that market, finding capital, etc. The regulations are just one piece of the pie. Sure, we could do away with the minimum wage, but would that improve or diminish the nation's quality of life? There are ways a person can still make less than market rate if they want to. Websites like elance and fiverr will allow you to set your rate of pay for work you contract out to people. I don't know that I'd just let a person off the street volunteer for my service industry job either. Sure, he could be fine and intelligent, but there's no incentive for him to really get things right. Additionally, the person overseeing him would have to take time away from their job to show him the ropes. It may not seem fair, but a volunteer could very easily be a burden to people working there, and cost the company more money. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 01, 2012 02:21 PM quote: Originally posted by shura: You're a patient man, AG. All these years on GU yet it doesn't appear to have worn down one bit. Hats off to you. Get out of school. Start a small business and then tell me if Liberal works for you. You are a student. With all due respect, you have lived little of life ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
shura Knowflake Posts: 383 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted June 01, 2012 03:25 PM quote: Get out of school. Start a small business and then tell me if Liberal works for you. You are a student. With all due respect, you have lived little of life This is hysterical. IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 4113 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2012 04:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Get out of school. Start a small business and then tell me if Liberal works for you. You are a student. With all due respect, you have lived little of life What? Ami Anne, you need to clean your lens and filters. You are getting some really bad info. ------------------ Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8164 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2012 06:29 PM there was minimum wage when you were young, ami, i am not that far off your age, y'know... and i am also a small business owner. what regulations do you find deadly? having to pay people to work? ever hear of henry ford? another student type who believed that consumer satisfaction and worker solvency were good things FOR THE COMPANY. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 02, 2012 08:07 AM Well, I was thinking about a small business, today versus in times past. I am NOT saying handicapped people should not have accessible toilets. I am just saying that every regulation, such as this, for example, makes the cost of business so high, as to make it impossible for many,many people. I am not saying that the workers may want health care and minimum wage. However, this may make it so that the employer makes everyone part time, so as to avoid regulations. My larger point is that EVERYONE loses, long term, if small business is crippled. I am for very, very small government, all around. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 02, 2012 08:32 AM Are you a student, Shura? I thought you were a college student. There is nothing wrong with it. I knew it all, when I was a student, too ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8164 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2012 07:18 PM are you still a student, then, ami? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2012 10:48 AM quote: Originally posted by katatonic: are you still a student, then, ami? I am always a student, in the mind, as I am Gemini. However, the real world has intruded on my hope of a utopian way ever being possible until Heaven. Adam and Eve had Utopia, but lost it. The people who believe in Liberalism are trying to make some form of Utopia on earth. It won't work and they i.e any group or country that tries it, will become what Europe is becoming. A college student like Shura, or any college student, has probably not learned this, although some have. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6068 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2012 01:11 PM We could say that Conservatives are trying to create a Utopia as well. In fact, to many Conservatives Utopia is some time in the history of the United States, only their memory seems to gloss over the trials of the time period they idolize. What your view suggests to me, Ami, is that you believe the liberal Utopia is superior to the Conservative Utopia. You are essentially saying that you choose the Conservative Utopia, because it seems more feasible. I would encourage you to think on this some more. What are liberals trying to accomplish? Is the supposed embrace of European ideals an endorsement of how Europe has done, or does it reflect an openness to ideas no matter the point of origin. (I can tell you that one European nation has a school system any country would be proud to have, one that American Conservatives would be unlikely to back despite it's proven results.) What is the goal of the American Left? If it's Utopia, what does that look like, and what would it accomplish? How does that contrast with the ideal Conservatives are after? IP: Logged
juniperb Moderator Posts: 4113 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2012 02:17 PM Ok Ami Anne, I`ll give you shura`s scoop. She`s 111 yrs old, graduated from school of hard knocks. Degrees in patience, wisdom and humor. She is a Scorp with Uranus conj my sun and Pluto square your questions. She has 7 children and all have made her a grandmother at the ripe age of 90. She was another person in another incarnation and is a Christian with another degree in Theology. We have been friends for 80 years and attend church on Sundays and hit the bars on the week ends. kat and jwhop often join us and it is a true party.. Our children are best friends as well and all go to Cuba every chance they can. ------------------ As Angels above guide Human beings, Human Beings have the opportunity to be Angels on Earth, who guide the Animal kingdom. - Da Vinci IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2012 02:36 PM Well Juni I LIKE to see you laughing, so I will ignore the content of the joke ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2012 02:52 PM quote: Originally posted by AcousticGod: We could say that Conservatives are trying to create a Utopia as well. In fact, to many Conservatives Utopia is some time in the history of the United States, only their memory seems to gloss over the trials of the time period they idolize. What your view suggests to me, Ami, is that you believe the liberal Utopia is superior to the Conservative Utopia. You are essentially saying that you choose the Conservative Utopia, because it seems more feasible. I would encourage you to think on this some more. What are liberals trying to accomplish? Is the supposed embrace of European ideals an endorsement of how Europe has done, or does it reflect an openness to ideas no matter the point of origin. (I can tell you that one European nation has a school system any country would be proud to have, one that American Conservatives would be unlikely to back despite it's proven results.) What is the goal of the American Left? If it's Utopia, what does that look like, and what would it accomplish? How does that contrast with the ideal Conservatives are after? GREAT question AG. I a waiting for a tutor to come over and teach me Word, but I am thinking about your question! x ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2012 04:50 PM Well, I think the society should take care of the handicapped etc. However, of course, welfare has gotten to be a behemoth, which is threatening to destroy us and is untenable. Behind the notion of welfare is the notion that people cannot take care of themselves and the government will take care of them. This is Utopian, although, not in the exact way that Utopia is thought of. I suppose I use the word "Utopia" as a false way to look at the human being. Any false doctrines put into practice will fail. In this case, people who work will not, forever, support people who don't. It is untenable when it reaches such an out of proportion state as we have in the US, right now. The Utopian philosophy, to which I refer, is seeing man as you WANT to see him, rather than as he is. The Bible is how man is, to me. It's ramifications extend out to welfare and much more. This is just one example. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
shura Knowflake Posts: 383 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted June 04, 2012 05:06 PM quote: As Angels above guide Human beings, Human Beings have the opportunity to be Angels on Earth, who guide the Animal kingdom. - Da Vinci You miss my Quote and Link of the Day, don't you? IP: Logged
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6068 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 04, 2012 05:22 PM quote: Behind the notion of welfare is the notion that people cannot take care of themselves and the government will take care of them. Sort of, but not entirely. I don't think liberals want people to be lazy and avoid providing for themselves. I think the ideal here is ensuring that people don't drown. If you've hit rock bottom, and no longer have a job or money, then this is supposed to be your last resort. I'm under the impression that it's super difficult to qualify for, though. quote: In this case, people who work will not, forever, support people who don't. It is untenable when it reaches such an out of proportion state as we have in the US, right now. I don't know that it is out of proportion now. I haven't seen any statistics on that. I will say that it's perfectly tenable as long as people continue to be charitable. Some of the richest people in the United States have already pledged to give away vast portions of their fortunes to help those less fortunate around the world. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has done some extraordinary work. Their mission statement for their U.S. work is this: Our mission: Help ensure greater opportunity for all Americans through the attainment of secondary and postsecondary education with genuine economic value. This alligns perfectly with the pervasive liberal thought in this era. The foundation is seeking to balance imbalances present in the education system in the hopes that those children that started out handicapped by income inequality will be able to attain the same heights as their well-off breathren. It's not seeking to give handouts to the lazy. It's seeking to give hope to those that might realistically believe their potential is limited. To me, it's the same as a church might do for the poor. I don't think such an idea is wild or outlandish. I think it's appropriate. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2012 05:29 PM What does your quote have to do with ANYTHING, Shura? ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
shura Knowflake Posts: 383 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted June 04, 2012 06:14 PM Just about as much as my Eris, dear ami. Stop fretting over me and pay closer attention to AG who has presented you with several thoughts worthy of consideration. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 32978 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 04, 2012 06:44 PM quote: Originally posted by shura: Just about as much as my Eris, dear ami. Stop fretting over me and pay closer attention to AG who has presented you with several thoughts worthy of consideration. Ok, I had NO idea what you were talking about, but that is another asteroid ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged

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