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Topic: What Joke --The UN asking the Middle Eastern Countries to "Be Good"
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shura
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posted July 24, 2012 09:00 PM
  
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't care about Shura's quote, Juni.
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Ami Anne
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posted July 24, 2012 09:01 PM
Well, if a person called your heritage a welfare state, Shura, you might want to inquire about it.  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted July 24, 2012 09:02 PM
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shura
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posted July 24, 2012 09:12 PM
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Well, if a person called your heritage a welfare state, Shura, you might want to inquire about it.
are you still ignoring me?  If I call the Israeli government a generation of serpents and corrupt Pharisees, will you try harder? How about if I link to a Knesset member ripping apart the Bible? What will that get me? You're cute, Ami. Seriously. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted July 24, 2012 09:21 PM
edit...so as not to do as has been done unto others...i fail to understand how anyone equates the modern state of israel with the ancient "heritage" that was israel. one was a natural state, the other is a prefab generated by the western powers in the 19/20th centuries out of lands they had colonized...and decided to let someone else take the trouble to cultivate/hold in their (western powers) interests. i know plenty of jewish people think this meet and right, but it has caused nothing but aggro for jew and arab alike. meanwhile we give money to both sides, as diplomats have done since the beginning of time. IP: Logged |
shura
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posted July 24, 2012 09:28 PM
I have no compassion for the modern zionist agenda, kat. none.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted July 25, 2012 12:15 PM
On a Big Bang Theory I saw last night Sheldon had become massively insecure by a teenage genius joining the faculty where he works, and in his increasingly delusional attempts at maintaining relevancy he proposed builing a New Jerusalem (Herusalem) in the Sonora desert in Mexico.Ami, I never think about my ancestral home. That's a thought that so rarely crosses my mind. If one of those ancestral homes were to be called a welfare state, however, I definitely wouldn't take offense. What would that ancestral state being a welfare state have to do with me personally? Nothing. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2012 12:32 PM
Well, Israel is MY heritage, AG. If someone calls it a welfare state, I am interested in why. Is Egypt a welfare state? Is Syria? Are the Palestinians? I didn't bring up the topic of welfare state 
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katatonic
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posted July 25, 2012 01:16 PM
the "heritage" states of most of the people on this board have been called that and worse and i haven't noticed it being taken personally by anyone. my own heritage - ireland, russia, and poland - comes under verbal fire all the time. so friggin what? most of the time the "fire" is way off the mark, so why get all hot and bothered about it, i wonder.oh but i forgot, none of those states were created by the allies for their convenience. perhaps the very disputability of israel's claim to existence is what makes people so sensitive about it..? and the theocratic nature of israel doesn't seem to bother people who detest the theocratic nature of, say, iran. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted July 25, 2012 01:51 PM
I'm saying it doesn't matter that Israel is your heritage, and it shouldn't matter to you whether someone called it a welfare state. You don't live there. You don't seem to care to live there, so what's the big issue? How do people define welfare? Is that the issue? Does Israel receive benefits from larger governments? I guess that point can be made rather easily. Do you disagree? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2012 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I'm saying it doesn't matter that Israel is your heritage, and it shouldn't matter to you whether someone called it a welfare state. You don't live there. You don't seem to care to live there, so what's the big issue? How do people define welfare? Is that the issue? Does Israel receive benefits from larger governments? I guess that point can be made rather easily. Do you disagree?
IT MATTERS! It matters to Jewish people that their heritage is called a welfare state. If Juni wants to call Israel a welfare state, I have just asked her if she thinks the Arab states are welfare states, too.
Beyond her answering of that question, I have no desire to continue this conversation AG.
Her answer is the only one I am interested in and from her, alone.
Other than that, I am going to ignore all other people, on this subject
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AcousticGod
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posted July 25, 2012 02:20 PM
A lot of Jewish people are Democrats that fully endorse the help the United States gives to Israel. Lord knows Republicans have a difficult time with labels, attaching more meaning to them than other people would, but objectively speaking Israel does benefit from help offered by other nations?I don't see why this should be a Juni question, nor why your question about other Middle Eastern states makes any difference. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2012 02:23 PM
Juni called Israel a welfare state. I just asked her if she thinks the Arab states are welfare states, too. I am not going to answer anyone else on here.
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katatonic
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posted July 25, 2012 02:44 PM
there appears to be some delusion operating here...where did ANYone call israel a welfare state? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 25, 2012 02:50 PM
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I just read an article that if reelected, he will visit Israel.That is one of the reasons Ron Paul needs the Presidents chair. He would shut the front door on Israel`s coffers and spend the $$ at home. Welfare days, a done deal. I absolutely agree his visit is gonadless and a waste of the almighty tax dollar.
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shura
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posted July 25, 2012 03:28 PM
ig·nore
verb \ig-ˈnȯr\
ig·noredig·nor·ingDefinition of IGNORE
transitive verb 1: to refuse to take notice of 2: to reject (a bill of indictment) as ungrounded Examples of IGNORE She tried to ignore him but he wouldn't leave her alone. I'll ignore that last remark. If we continue to ignore these problems they will only get worse. They ignored the warning signs. Related to IGNORE Synonyms: bypass, disregard, forget, neglect, overlook, overpass, pass over, slight, slur (over)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignore Thought that might help 
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katatonic
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posted July 25, 2012 07:33 PM
the double standard appears to have raised its ugly head again.it is fine and dandy for us to give "aid" to israel, but when we give "aid" to our own citizens it is called "welfare" and stigmatized by the very people who think we should give other COUNTRIES "something for nothing"... in any case i think that remark of juni's ambiguous enough that it might refer to welfare either here or abroad...one can be too eager to find slights in every remark. i have no problem with the israelis who live and were born there, it is after all their home. whether it would ever be able to shelter jews from other countries is a difficult supposition, it's not a big country and the world has quite a lot of jewish folk! but those who neither come from there nor plan to live there seem over-attached to its symbolic significance. it is a prefab state created by others, and however it is sold to the public, the difficulty of keeping peace in the region while it is there is a seemingly unsolvable problem that compromises a large part of the world in so many ways. IP: Logged |
SpooL
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posted July 25, 2012 08:07 PM
I was never a fan on Obama to begin with, the only reason why he is in office is because of the fact that he is the most charismatic of all the incompetent politicians. The bigger problem is the eastern hemisphere is already more stronger than the US and most western nation are. So there isn't much one can do. 20yrs ago I'm sure you guys would laugh if I told you China would be the next economic power. Sanctions won't work, the only solution is direct confrontation with China and Russia. But both countries are in a way better position right now and can "step on us". I know in North America its almost inconceivable to imagine the end of the western empire, but there it is. Blame the conservatives/republicans for doing trade with China, followed by selling North America out and blame the democrats for not getting tough on China. --------------------------------
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Randall
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posted July 25, 2012 08:53 PM
Trump does a lot of business in China, and his Chinese colleagues are shocked at what they have gotten away with during the Obama administration. We could send China into the worst economic downturn in their history according to Trump...and we hold the power, not China.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted July 25, 2012 09:09 PM
I don't think you will get an answer from Juni, because she said she is going to ignore you, Ami. And you can't expect others not to chime in with their own respective answers. That being said, I don't think that welfare can accurately be applied to a nation or even an entity (like the airlines after 911). The US has assisted (both financially and otherwise) just about every nation on earth at some point or another, either directly...or indirectly (through our financial support of the UN). We even drop food and medicine to our warring enemies. Welfare? No. Maybe charitable or humanitarian efforts in some cases (like the food and medicine example). The US is the most charitable nation on earth, after all. And we do support our allies (understandably so). Strategically, does that not make sense?IP: Logged |
SpooL
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posted July 26, 2012 12:00 AM
The US has been really battered right now to play a big influence in the world. I couldn't image a city being unable to pay for basic services, but several cities in America are facing that problem. Those are problem generally experienced in developing nations. Everyday China gets stronger even during a recession there economy is still growth wise ahead, were always going to need
a place for cheap goods to come from. All the American athletes in the Olympics are going to be wearing clothing made in China. A lot of nations in the east are still experiencing more growth as compared to the west, South Korea being one of them.
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The US has assisted (both financially and otherwise) just about every nation on earth at some point or another, either directly...or indirectly (through our financial support of the UN). We even drop food and medicine to our warring enemies. Welfare? No. Maybe charitable or humanitarian efforts in some cases (like the food and medicine example). The US is the most charitable nation on earth, after all. And we do support our allies (understandably so). Strategically, does that not make sense?
I have nothing against helping other nations, I just think priority should be help ending third world America and ending poverty close to home. Build a stronger and better community is the way to go. As oppose to lets say spending billions on development in Afghanistan and only a small fraction of that amount does anything productive. Potentially, billionaires such as Gates and could end poverty more efficiently than the UN can. --------------------------------
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jwhop
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posted July 27, 2012 08:17 AM
Hmmm, what is true about the US/Israeli relationship is that the US has prevailed upon Israel to not wipe the armies of Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan off the map when they attacked Israel...numerous times. Oh, and also to return land captured in the numerous wars to Egypt, Syria and Jordan.The Israelis have a hell of a lot more patience with their Arab neighbors...including the so called Palestinians than I do.
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Faith
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posted July 27, 2012 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
it is a prefab state created by others, and however it is sold to the public, the difficulty of keeping peace in the region while it is there is a seemingly unsolvable problem that compromises a large part of the world in so many ways.
It was interesting to read about the debate that raged in the White House when Truman was first considering whether or not to acknowledge Israel as a nation. George Marshall, of Marshall Plan fame, was adamantly opposed to it, foreseeing long-term problems of epic proportion. His arguments were spot-on and prescient. Apparently it was Clark Clifford who swayed Truman to recognize Israel, so it's worth looking at his bio and the scandals he got involved with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Clifford He wrote the legislation establishing the CIA, which has a sordid history of its own. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2012 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Hmmm, what is true about the US/Israeli relationship is that the US has prevailed upon Israel to not wipe the armies of Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan off the map when they attacked Israel...numerous times. Oh, and also to return land captured in the numerous wars to Egypt, Syria and Jordan.The Israelis have a hell of a lot more patience with their Arab neighbors...including the so called Palestinians than I do.
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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2012 09:28 AM
The other thing to all you big shots is that if you want common decency and humanity--Israel is the only country in the Middle East one can depend on when the other countries go whacky and they always do.
When Iran has weapons to hurt the world( and that included the people who hate giving aid to Israel) who do people call? Do they call Syria? Do they call Egypt which is going to shuyra law? Do they call Saudi Arabia?When people need common decency and intelligence to crazy world situations, they call Israel.
It makes me sick the haters of Israel because YOU need Israel for your survival and are too stupid to know it. If Iran with it's crazy leader attacks, YOU will be part of the conflagration, too. People can be so stupid. Anyhoo, would you people who don't want to give money to Israel, like to be parachuted down into Tehran, Damascus or Tel Aviv? It is no use talking to you. You are blind.
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