posted July 19, 2012 07:05 PM            

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posted July 19, 2012 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
He attempted to cut off the proverbial testicles of the US by "touring" the world apologizing for us and by bowing to a Saudi king.

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Also, he had no idea who to handle the Middle East. He thinks "being nice" will speak to these people. You need RESPECT. Grrrrr He has no business being in the Oval office.

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posted July 19, 2012 11:04 PM            

Seriously, if you think Obama is "too nice" then what's appropriate? Nukes and death camps?

posted July 20, 2012 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Obama is not nice. He deploys special forces against everyone from Somali pirates to Osama (just for the record I'm ok with those 2 specific examples). Whereas Bush tortured under mere suspicion Obama kills and doesn't care about the collateral damage and approves strikes that MIGHT kill a legitimate target but GUARANTEED to kill innocents (and that's his real mistake as it creates enemies faster than we can kill them), and unlike Bush he'll even kill American citizens that he puts on secret kill lists without oversight or due process. He's practically practicing the Brezhnev Doctrine (adjusted for an American capitalist position). Heck, even the conservative Andrew Sullivan (granted, he's from the UK and thus outside our partisan bickering that cares more about your party affiliation than words & actions) said Obama was more conservative than Bush:
http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2009/12/the-tragedy-of-hope/193096/

Seriously, if you think Obama is "too nice" then what's appropriate? Nukes and death camps?

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posted July 20, 2012 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I've asked before where Obama has apologized for the US and was referred to 2 speeches, one in Germany and another in Egypt. I listened to both and in their context he did no such thing.

But as for the UN...people don't call it the "Useless Nations" for nothing. They've noted disturbing trends in the USA as well but have only asked us to please improve as well.

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Well, O'Bomber is a dolt in understanding the mindset in the Middle East. I could have been his adviser. Now, it is becoming a conflagration. Maybe, it could not have been stopped, anyway.

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posted July 21, 2012 07:58 AM            

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posted July 21, 2012 10:21 PM            

And can you point out any major difference between Bush and Obama in regards to treating these other countries? The only difference I can think of offhand is Obama is more willing to go to war with Iran than Bush (though Obama was less enthused about Iraq, so maybe it balances out...)

posted July 21, 2012 11:32 PM            

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/world/middleeast/us-officials-su ed-over-citizens-killed-in-yemen.html?_r=1
“Some have argued that the president is required to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen who is a senior operational leader of Al Qaeda or associated forces,” Mr. Holder said. “This is simply not accurate. ‘Due process’ and ‘judicial process’ are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.”

Cue Obama's drones killing a 16 year old US citizen in Yemen.

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posted July 22, 2012 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Ami, I agree that Obama lacks the gonads to stand up to Israel.

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You want to start trouble. I ignore people like you. You can go in the Ignoring File along with Kat

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posted July 23, 2012 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Ami, I agree that Obama lacks the gonads to stand up to Israel.

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I just read an article that if reelected, he will visit Israel.

That is one of the reasons Ron Paul needs the Presidents chair. He would shut the front door on Israel`s coffers and spend the $$ at home. Welfare days, a done deal.

I absolutely agree his visit is gonadless and a waste of the almighty tax dollar.

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President Barack Obama, who hasn't set foot in Israel since a pre-election trip in 2008, would go there if he wins in November, an aide said Monday. The official, former deputy assistant defense secretary for the Middle East Colin Kahl, scoffed that Republican criticisms of Obama for not visiting Israel since taking office were "a distraction" from real policy issues.

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posted July 23, 2012 10:08 PM            

While it's kind of surreal that Americans are no longer morally opposed to massive wars predicated on dubious, trumped-up allegations, some will listen to Ron Paul when he talks about the COST of the military action being unsustainable.

Simplistically, the Fed prints up money for "Defense" (Orwellian term for *offense*), and that inflates the dollar and dilutes its value. This inflationary tax has been sucking the lifeblood out of the economy more and more drastically since "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke ascended the throne.

People in America commonly complain that the economy is bad and then express their dream that the next Fuehrer will demolish other countries, AS IF you can just do that for free or something. More to the point AS IF there aren't real, actual, flesh and blood human beings living there.

posted July 24, 2012 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
People in America commonly complain that the economy is bad and then express their dream that the next Fuehrer will demolish other countries, AS IF you can just do that for free or something.

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I don't know if it's because of the peach brandy I had earlier but this reminded me of a Sinfest strip I hadn't even thought of in years, so if I may be allowed to share my graveyard humor about all too many Americans...

posted July 24, 2012 01:14 PM            

i can't fault the morality of those who fought in world war II, but i do doubt the true reasons we went into it were as highfalutin' as what was fed to the GI generation to get them over there. just as the crusades were sold to the average soldier as "moral" and "godly", the true motives were, as always, resources and greed, as faith said on another thread about our current occupations...

i can never understand why the "small government" folk seem to be all good with a defense budget that is overwhelmingly more than all the other expenses of government put together.

posted July 24, 2012 01:50 PM            

I mean how f'ed up can it get? But that's so true, people are just like that.

Agree on all points about how money would be better spent on welfare than global dominion, although I do think that the military ensures the value of our dollar, and without threat and force, America would have to drastically change, culturally, in order to retain even the outward appearance of prosperity. In other words, without war, the economic house of cards would fall very quickly. With war, the collapse can be more structured and deliberate (and probably result in a long-term totalitarian "emergency" state)...but the current situation is precarious, to say the least.

posted July 24, 2012 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Just for the record, Juni. Do you think money should be given to Arab countries?

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Every dime available to whatever Arab country will wipe that nest of vipers known as Israel off the map.