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Topic: Buying up all the free speech they can find
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6506 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2012 02:43 PM
quote: I knew you're intellectually incapable of understanding that a far left lunatic rag like Mother Jones is self disqualifying because of it's blatant bias.
If blatantly biased sources were outlawed by you, you'd have nothing to say here. The majority of what you post comes from obviously biased and unbalanced sources. So, once again, your position is ironic. quote: Just to show how unbalanced the usual suspects are, they love the far left loons..newspapers, blogs, cable and mags... who only tell their side..the leftist side, of the story but despise Fox News which puts on advocates from both sides and gives viewers both sides of stories.Leftist loons don't want both sides to be heard. TS babies.
You might believe this, but it's factually untrue. Fox News copied the other cable stations that already were reporting from both sides of issues long before Fox ever existed. As such, there's no room for an attempt to make Fox out as the "fairest" (as if) news station. There's also no room for the belief that Conservatives get a broader depth of news. If that were so, the Conservatives on this board would be FAR better informed. When you guys are able to start demonstrating that you actually grasp the full extent of what you're talking about, we'll re-assess your news sources. Until then, things are the same as they have been, which is to say that the Left here is generally better informed, and the Right is less informed. Not wanting both sides to be heard has been your stock and trade for years. Don't think that you're ever going to be successful assigning that trait to anyone else. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1953 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 13, 2012 08:45 PM
another successful JW tactic.Derail a thread about campaign finance-- dark money, by pretending to misread data, pretending to discredit a source, followed by LL pong. Well done! IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2012 11:41 AM
There's a difference between merely biased sources and lying biased sources.Mother Jones has zero credibility in rational circles. Mother Jones is a Socialist rag and an unfit source for credible news. The Mother Jones founders and staff support communist dictators, are anti-capitalist and anti-America. Zero credibility there....except among the usual suspects, Socialist Kool-Aid swillers and radical revolutionaries who want to overthrow the United States. MOTHER JONES MAGAZINE (MJM) 731 Market Street 6th Floor San Francisco, CA 94103 Phone :415-665-6637 URL: Website Magazine named for socialist labor organizer Mary Harris "Mother" Jones Does investigative reporting that mostly targets corporations, capitalists, private property, and Republican officeholders Mother Jones is a bimonthly magazine and website named for socialist "union organizer" Mary Harris "Mother" Jones (1830-1930). It prides itself on continuing her pursuit of socialist "social justice" by doing investigative reporting that mostly targets corporations, capitalists, private property, and Republican political officeholders. Well-known leftist editors and writers on this magazine's masthead include Todd Gitlin, Molly Ivins, Bill McKibben, Richard Rodriguez, William Saletan, Orville Schell, Eric Schlosser, and Amy Wilentz. Mother Jones began taking shape in 1974 when the Watergate scandal was demonstrating how investigative reporting could weaken and oust a Republican President elected by an overwhelming majority. Its genesis was a failed attempt to save the reigning radical magazine of the day, Ramparts. Ramparts editor David Horowitz had put together a team consisting of labor journalist Paul Jacobs, leftist entrepreneur Richard Parker, and leftist millionaire Adam Hochschild to take over Ramparts from its retiring editors, Horowitz and Peter Collier. When the trio had a falling out with Ramparts staffers, they elected to leave and create their own magazine, which became Mother Jones. The magazine was launched in February 1976. Mother Jones focuses heavily on the evils of capitalism and the alleged desirability of government control over business. On a global level, the magazine reserves its harshest condemnations for the U.S. and Israel, and is staunchly supportive of Marxist regimes like Fidel Castro's Cuba. In 1986 Mother Jones hired a young Michigan underground newspaper founder named Michael Moore as its Editor. Five months later, Moore was fired after he rejected an article by socialist Paul Berman, a piece that Moore claimed was "unfairly critical" of the Sandinista dictatorship in Nicaragua. Moore sued, claiming wrongful dismissal. He pocketed $58,000 in an out-of-court settlement of his lawsuit, then used the money to produce his first film documentary, "Roger and Me." The Mother Jones magazine and website are owned by the non-profit, tax-exempt Foundation for National Progress (FNP), a 501(c)(3) "public-interest media organization." FNP has been supported by other left-leaning foundations, among them the Bill Moyers-run Schumann Center for Media and Democracy, the Arca Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Streisand Foundation, the Irving Harris Foundation, Kansas City Community Foundation, the Lannan Foundation, the David and Lucile Packard Foundation, and the Park Foundation. In 2000, the magazine, website and Foundation took in (from grants, donations, subscriptions, newsstand sales, rental of its mailing lists. and advertising) nearly $6 million. From 2002 to 2004, FNP received $410,000 in foundation grants. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6959 IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6506 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2012 12:05 PM
Once again, I think you're talking outside of your realm. You don't participate in rational circles, nor would you know what they read.You're citing a "Discover The Networks" article as your proof? So you're going on record using a biased source to out a biased source? Way to fight fire with fire. I still don't see any actual proof against anything Mother Jones ever published coming out of you. It's going to continue to be difficult to make the case that they're not credible if you can't take apart a single thing they've written. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8579 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2012 04:38 PM
@node, yes, right in line with the limbaugh playbook..."don't engage liberals directly" in other words, if you try to have a reasonable discussion with the "other" you will LOSE. and if you try to have a REAL conversation with someone who doesn't believe what rush feeds his listeners, you will LOSE...so don't bother,just "blither, blather, bloviate" about the pimple on their chin instead. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8579 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 15, 2012 04:59 PM
here's a story from one of jwhop's fave sources, the inimitable DailyMail UK http://www.dai lymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html?ICO=most_read_module completely false, completely motivated by hate, and printed as FACT. if you bother to click on the link you will find the retraction, months later! IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 15, 2012 11:07 PM
Yeah, I think Horowitz is in the prefect position to deliver a critique on Mother Jones acoustic.Horowitz was a certified leftist...a communist and quite well known. He knows all the players in communist circles. So acoustic, if it comes down to who I believe, it's sure as hell going to be Horowitz...Discover the Networks...and it sure as hell isn't going to be you. "Its genesis, (Mother Jones) was a failed attempt to save the reigning radical magazine of the day, Ramparts. Ramparts editor David Horowitz had put together a team consisting of labor journalist Paul Jacobs, leftist entrepreneur Richard Parker, and leftist millionaire Adam Hochschild to take over Ramparts from its retiring editors, Horowitz and Peter Collier. When the trio had a falling out with Ramparts staffers, they elected to leave and create their own magazine, which became Mother Jones." If you knew how to read with comprehension acoustic, it would not have escaped you that the Horowitz who was mobbed up with the other communists who broke off and started Mother Jones IS THE SAME HOROWITZ AT FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE WHERE "DISCOVER THE NETWORKS IS FOUND. You're easy acoustic. DailyMail UK, one of my favorite sources katatonic? I don't think so. Neither is the Treason Times, Boston Glob, Washington Pot and other leftist fish wrappers...but I sometimes post articles from them anyway.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6506 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 16, 2012 12:03 PM
You believe that your attempt to prop up this guy Horowitz is going to be enough to clear the intellectual hurdle of disproving Mother Jones' reporting? That's silly. quote: So acoustic, if it comes down to who I believe, it's sure as hell going to be Horowitz...Discover the Networks...and it sure as hell isn't going to be you.
Likewise, I'm sure. I get confirmation that I grasp reality all the time. You, on the other hand, get confirmation that you don't understand crap. If you were a thinking person that you be a call to inner scrutiny, but you don't engage in that. If you run into conflict with your ideas you try throwing everything at the wall to see what can get you out of having to face the sad fact that you're wrong. quote: If you knew how to read with comprehension acoustic, it would not have escaped you that the Horowitz who was mobbed up the the other communists who broke off and started Mother Jones IS THE SAME HOROWITZ AT FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE WHERE "DISCOVER THE NETWORKS IS FOUND.
My reading is NOT at issue as usual. I don't read Discover The Networks bullsh t. I don't care who Horowitz is, or who he was formerly associated with. That's guilt-by-association nonsense. If you can't bring yourself to disprove the data in the magazine, then your attempt at wholesale discrediting of the magazine is moot. It's the data that should be debated. quote: You're easy acoustic.
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 16, 2012 01:01 PM
I've always known you are intellectually incapable of connecting the dots acoustic. Even when the dot are put right in front of your nose, you still can't get it right.Mother Jones was started by Communists, staffed by Communists and remains so today. They're anti-capitalist, anti-free markets, anti-America and pro Communist dictatorships. As such, Mother Jones has not one shred of credibility...except among the Loony-Tunes leftist set which you and the other usual suspects attempt to defend...and fail. On the other hand, David Horowitz is a famous author.."Radical Son", lecturer and former Communist who knows where all the bodies are buried...some of them at Mother Jones. So acoustic, all your yammering amounts to pi$$ing into the wind. Don't get any on you! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6506 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 16, 2012 01:35 PM
I'm not the one that's not getting this right, Jwhop, and I'm certainly not the one ******* in the wind.It's not about connecting dots, or any such guilt-by-association nonsense as I JUST said. The FACT remains that if you can't attack the data credibly, then your attack on the data source is moot. This is the same old game you try to pull every time some source you don't like has something to say. Just because YOU don't want to find the source credible doesn't mean it's not. Obviously, the debate is about the content, not the source, so if all you can conjure is trying to discredit the source, you're admitting you don't have anything to say against the data. You're changing the subject. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8579 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 16, 2012 06:19 PM
pshaw, jwhop, get on with you! you post from the daiy mail quite often. i am speaking of the daily mail UK, obviously a prime source of info on american doings, and about as anti-left (and pro trash) in its leanings as they get..did you take a gander at the apology piece on their story about necrophiliac sex in egypt?IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5598 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2012 11:14 AM
I post from whatever source gets it right. Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Even a broken clock has the right time twice a day.This is the reason I sometimes use the Treason Times, Washington Compost and other leftist rags posing as new papers. They made a mistake and got something right! As for the Daily Mail, I never go to their site. Posting from this source is incidental..meaning, I found their story on another site and clicked the link. But, Mother Jones remains a Communist disinformation mag/rag. As such, Mother Jones is totally unreliable as a source for factual news...including the utter bullshiiit under discussion here. It's not surprising to me that our "accidental Americans" here, the usual suspects, gravitate to and defend the anti-capitalist, anti-America, anti-American, pro Communist dictatorship rag...Mother Jones. It's too bad our usual suspects aren't as sharp as a blind squirrel or as accurate as a broken clock. Alas, that would be "mission impossible" for them.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6506 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2012 11:43 AM
Nowhere in your ranting and raving do I see a dissection of the data. You're still in that hole you dug for yourself. You still haven't found a way to disprove Mother Jones. Saying that I'm defending it is foolish as well. I made the onus for you very clear: fact check the data. That's not an endorsement of Mother Jones or it's content. It's asking you to do a little better than merely making the poor argument that Mother Jones is guilty by some association of its past. IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1953 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 17, 2012 03:44 PM
Because all he has is obfuscation.Whatever, those who were interested clicked on the links. IP: Logged | |