posted August 17, 2012 02:17 PM            

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Once again, you're making a claim you can't substantiate. This is why you get ignored.

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posted August 17, 2012 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
By people that actually have something of SUBSTANCE to say.

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Oh, you mean like Jwhop, Ian, and myself

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posted August 17, 2012 02:50 PM            

The Washington Compost headline specifically said Medicare CUTS.

Those O'Bomber Medicare CUTS will cause medical rationing for seniors...as the unethical Zeke Emanual and the equally unethical Beswick admit. That's the O'Bomber Plan. Save Medicare and Social Security by killing off senior citizens. Dead people don't collect Social Security and dead people don't need medical treatment.

You're batting 0-1000 acoustic. You'd be benched on any other team but Team Left.

posted August 17, 2012 03:00 PM            

Senior Citizens Greet Paul Ryan: ‘Good Luck! Kick Ass!’
2:43 PM, Aug 16, 2012
JOHN MCCORMACK


Warren, Ohio
Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan stopped by the Original Hot Dog Shoppe here this afternoon to chat with voters and grab some lunch. The Wisconsin congressman and fitness nut chowed down on two hot dogs with onion, extra kraut and mustard, a side of small chili-cheese fries, and an unsweetened iced tea. The total bill came to $8.78, including a chili-cheese dog Ryan purchased for a reporter celebrating his twenty-seventh birthday.

"Hey Paul!" yelled an elderly woman while Ryan was placing his order with the cashier. "Good luck! Kick ass!"

The well-wisher, Erma from Howland, Ohio, told me later that she's not worried that Ryan and Romney would end Medicare. "I don't believe it," she said. "Because Obama has a bigger plan to rob Medicare of $617 billion."

"We better worry about Obamacare before we worry about Ryan," added Erma, a self-described conservative. Erma wasn't the only conservative senior citizen at the Original Hot Dog Shoppe to demonstrate that the party faithful have absorbed the Medicare message being pushed by the Romney-Ryan campaign this week.

"Oh, don't believe none of that stuff," Eleanor Costantino, a senior citizen from Warren, told me when I asked her if she was worried about Romney-Ryan taking away Medicare. "It's all nothing but a bunch of lies!"

"He's going to save Medicare," chimed in Eleanor's friend Karen Combs from Cortland, Ohio. "There's $700 billion under Obamacare coming out of Medicare, and seniors should be more frightened over that."

Combs says she hasn't voted for a Democrat since the 1970s, while Eleanor Costantino told me she became a Republican more recently.

"I'd been a Democrat for 50 years, but the last 10 years I've been strictly Republican," Costantino told me. Why did she switch sides? "Because I'm pro-life. And that's it. That changed me completely."

As Ryan worked his way through the restaurant shaking hands and talking to customers, a young woman pulled out a baseball and asked for Ryan's signature. “You happen to have a sharpie and a baseball?” asked an amused Ryan. “All the time,” she replied. "Could you sign the sweet spot?" she asked. Ryan obliged.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senior-citizens-greet-paul-ryan-good-luck-kick-ass_650089.html

posted August 17, 2012 03:18 PM            

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The biggest part of the Romney/Ryan argument continues to be that President Obama is the one who cut $716 billion from Medicare. They say this in nearly every interview and at every rally.

They don’t mention that Paul Ryan’s plan includes those very same cuts to future spending. The difference is that Obama’s cost savings are funneled to the health reform law. Ryan’s would be funneled toward deficit reduction.

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Hi jwhop,
Explain this please.
Preferably in a way that makes lovey-dovies Romney/Ryan look good

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posted August 17, 2012 04:32 PM            

Jwhop,

Everything single thing you said is so stupid on its face I can hardly bring myself to respond. Are you disputing that the WaPo explained the cuts as savings? Your rationing talk continues to be the nonsense that it previously was.

Posting a bunch of individual seniors opinions on the Romney/Ryan message doesn't validate their plan. I'm sure there are plenty of seniors that know the other side of that coin.

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And what's with the # of billions taken out all over the place?
jwhop quoted 617, this article mentioned 716, another source 817.
As far as I can tell there's definitely a 7 and a 1 in that figure somewhere.

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posted August 17, 2012 07:17 PM            

and you can't even be bothered to do that much research.

it's hard to be brainwashed when you take in info from all sides like i do, that is one of the reasons i do it...a good education instilled this habit in me in my teens and beyond.

i consider obama the best chance we have right now, but i am more concerned with the future congress and SC, since i am aware, as you appear not to be, that the president is only one small if visible part of our government.

posted August 17, 2012 09:11 PM            

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ami you are like a blind person who prefers purple to blue. jwhop is like the echo of all the extreme rightwing bloggers and lowbrow newspapers i see around, and doesn't even KNOW that he frequently quotes a tawdry english paper that sells national enquirer type articles and calls them news, just to whip up the rabble against whoever they hate today...

and you can't even be bothered to do that much research.

it's hard to be brainwashed when you take in info from all sides like i do, that is one of the reasons i do it...a good education instilled this habit in me in my teens and beyond.

i consider obama the best chance we have right now, but i am more concerned with the future congress and SC, since i am aware, as you appear not to be, that the president is only one small if visible part of our government.

and i consider you the last person to call anyone a sheeple from what i have seen of your attitude towards informing yourself!

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posted August 18, 2012 01:30 PM            

They always get it wrong...even when the dots are connected for them.

You know it's very bad in demoscat circles when O'Bomber's campaign co-chair quits the party over O'Bomber's total incompetence and campaigns for Romney/Ryan.

Former Obama campaign co-chair introduces Ryan in Virginia
CNN Political Unit

(CNN) – Artur Davis, the former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama who co-chaired President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign, introduced the running mate of Obama's Republican challenger in Virginia Friday.

"Are you ready to meet the next vice president of the United States?" Davis asked at a rally in Springfield, Virginia. It was Ryan's second event of the day. He held a rally outside Richmond on Friday morning.

In his introduction, Davis pointed to Ryan's age – he's 42 – as having energized the GOP. Davis is 44.

"Remember a week ago, some of our Democratic friends had the illusion that we were kind of an older party. That were the party of the last generation. One week later I'm the oldest man on this stage right now," Davis said. "What a difference a week makes."

Davis, who said in May he was switching parties from Democrat to Republican, said he had only disagreed with Ryan on one subject: the status of Led Zeppelin as the "#1 band of the modern era."

"I questioned you as you said it. As a Genesis man, I questioned it," Davis said.

He also praised Ryan's willingness to advance a House GOP budget that included sometimes-unpopular cuts to programs in the name of cutting the federal debt.

posted August 18, 2012 04:12 PM            

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I wouldn't get too worked up over the comments of the usual suspects Ami.

They always get it wrong...even when the dots are connected for them.

You know it's very bad in demoscat circles when O'Bomber's campaign co-chair quits the party over O'Bomber's total incompetence and campaigns for Romney/Ryan.

[b]Former Obama campaign co-chair introduces Ryan in Virginia
CNN Political Unit

(CNN) – Artur Davis, the former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama who co-chaired President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign, introduced the running mate of Obama's Republican challenger in Virginia Friday.

"Are you ready to meet the next vice president of the United States?" Davis asked at a rally in Springfield, Virginia. It was Ryan's second event of the day. He held a rally outside Richmond on Friday morning.

In his introduction, Davis pointed to Ryan's age – he's 42 – as having energized the GOP. Davis is 44.

"Remember a week ago, some of our Democratic friends had the illusion that we were kind of an older party. That were the party of the last generation. One week later I'm the oldest man on this stage right now," Davis said. "What a difference a week makes."

Davis, who said in May he was switching parties from Democrat to Republican, said he had only disagreed with Ryan on one subject: the status of Led Zeppelin as the "#1 band of the modern era."

"I questioned you as you said it. As a Genesis man, I questioned it," Davis said.

He also praised Ryan's willingness to advance a House GOP budget that included sometimes-unpopular cuts to programs in the name of cutting the federal debt.

"President Romney is going to have a vice president who believes, in a town where no one takes responsibility for anything, Washington D.C., this man wrote a budget with tough, hard, necessary choices. He put his name on it," Davis said.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/17/former-obama-campai gn-co-chair-introduces-ryan-in-virginia/ [/B]

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I know that you and Ami don't know this, but you've just admitted to not thinking for yourselves.

Quoting Davis doesn't help your case either. The Republican Party is outdated, which is what the Democrats meant. The older generation is not made up of mavericks or innovative people, but those stuck in a bygone era that didn't work even then. All politicians live by the motto "Greed is good", but your puppet masters take it to a staggering new level.

As for no one taking responsibility in Washington, Ryan practically wet his pants when a journalist asked him about the bailout money he applied for in 2009. Yes, Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp. received $20.3 million from the Energy Department. So, Romney picked a running mate who hypocritically criticized the bailout all the while holding his hand out for a piece of it and then denied it. Hmm... he's responsible, yet evades the truth?

posted August 18, 2012 07:30 PM            

They're down with Romney/Ryan's ideas to cut taxes, cut the size, scope and cost of government and reduce deficits.

No-bama 2012: Young voters fed up with economy
'Millennials have concluded government intervention is the problem, not the solution'
Published: 23 hours ago
Drew Zahn

Young voters – the ones who so notably turned out for Barack Obama in 2008 – are fed up with being unemployed, and many are beginning to turn against the president’s big-government solutions to America’s economic woes.

One group tracking this turnaround is Generation Opportunity, or GO, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization that seeks to mobilize Americans aged 18-29 toward “real solutions” to joblessness and the flailing economy.

GO boasted this past week that its family of Facebook pages – with names like “We Like Small Government” and “Gas Prices Are too D— High” – have topped over 4 million “likes” and growing, fueled by a young demographic that polls show is increasingly disillusioned with Obama’s economic policies.

“Every day, young Americans search for meaningful, full-time jobs in a career of their choice and, instead, experience first-hand the stark reality imposed by the poor economy,” states Paul. T. Conway, president of GO and a former chief of staff of the U.S. Department of Labor. “Rather than resorting to pessimism, however, young adults are taking a harder look at who and what is creating barriers to economic opportunity.

“Increasingly, they identify elected officials and policies that result in more government interference,” Conway continues. “As they continue to deal with the highest sustained unemployment since World War II, Millennials have definitely concluded that government intervention in the economy is the problem, not the solution.”

If Conway is right, it puts “Millenials” – 66 percent of whom voted for Obama in the last presidential election – at stark odds with economic solutions the president has touted thus far.

From the stimulus bill passed early in his presidency to proposed job bills and even the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Obama has repeatedly demonstrated a belief in increased government involvement in the private sector, while at the same time calling for increased taxes on the investors and business owners many Millenials are hoping will hire them.

Conway told WND that message isn’t connecting.

“Whether you’re a Republican, Democrat or independent, at the end of the day, your aspirations, career, dreams, ability the live the life you envision are all tied to full-time work,” Conway said. “When you have politicians who vilify those who have the means and courage to create business, and you have so many looking for jobs … when we’re out in the field talking to people about solutions instead, we get immediate interest.”

“I’ll tell you about an amazing poll,” Conway told WND. “A July 22 poll of 1,000 voters from the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU [which spent $28 million backing Obama in the 2008 election], asked 18-29 years olds whether they would vote for Obama or Romney. Though 66 percent voted for Obama in 2008, only 49 percent answered Obama in 2012, with 41 percent for Romney and undecideds at 10 percent.

“When asked about the president’s job performance, 37 percent approved, 57 percent disapproved,” Conway continued. “When asked if the country was heading in the right direction, 22 percent said yes; 75 percent said America is on the wrong track.

“As a veteran of over 100 campaigns, when you have a swing vote of 10 percent in a demographic and that demographic is saying at 75 percent that the country is on the wrong track – when you’ve got a candidate formerly at 66 percent support now below 50 percent – you have a major problem as a candidate,” Conway concluded.

“The core issue,” Conway told WND, “is that people cannot find economic opportunity, cannot find meaningful, full-time jobs in the field of their choice, and they’re being asked to settle for the status quo instead: part-time work, not in their field, at below their skill level for their education. People are not going to settle for that.”

GO has been tracking the impact of the slumping economy on 18-29-year-olds and has released a series of reports showing how the demographic has not only suffered disproportionately under the economic conditions, but has also turned against the president’s plans for more and more government solutions to the problem.

According to GO’s reports:

•While the national unemployment rate has hovered around 8 percent, the non-seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for 18-29-year-olds is 12.7 percent
•If the additional 1.715 million young adults that are not counted as “unemployed” because they have given up looking for work were factored in, the actual unemployment rate for 18-29-year-olds would rise to 16.7 percent.
•Only 31 percent of those 18-29 approve of Obama’s handling of youth unemployment
•While the president has touted raising taxes on the wealthy as a key component to financial solvency, 69 percent of 18-29-year-olds prefer reductions in federal spending over raising taxes to balance the budget.
The numbers prompted the organization to launch its newest Facebook page, “We Like Small Government.”

The organization claims its newest page “fosters debate on the appropriate size and scope of government, the impact high taxes and more regulations have on job creation and the importance of economic opportunity and individual freedom. The page has already amassed over 400,000 fans.”

Other GO pages, like “The Constitution by GO” and “Being American by GO” have amassed over 1 million and 1.5 million Facebook “likes,” respectively.

The Facebook pages are part of GO’s strategy to create what Conway called “a true fusion” of education efforts, field organizers, online tools and a social-media audience.

“We have a full-time, paid staff and a huge volunteer network to help with a series of events,” Conway told WND. “In the past 10 days, we’ve hit 10 states and 35 different events, booths to meet people or sign up people with iPads, to meet with those who feel disaffected, those who are not registered to vote, we work to register them – tens of thousands of people.

“We also have campaigns to call voters, reminding them to vote, and a series of training guides on our website,” Conway said. “We’ve already had tens of thousands of downloads, people using the guides to organize friends, learning from guides on how to be an effective radio call-in guest, how to organize events, how to blog, write a press release or a letter to the editor and more.

posted August 18, 2012 07:38 PM            

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posted August 18, 2012 10:13 PM            

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There are a few “facts” about Paul Ryan that the press keeps repeating that I think we need to grind into dust:

First, they keep referring to the “Ryan budget.” There is no Ryan budget. A budget has numbers attached to it that economists can “score.” The Ryan “budget” is a budget in the way that my doodle of a rocket ship on a cocktail napkin is a blueprint for NASA.

Second, they call him an intellectual. Now, I’m not saying he’s a dummy – he’s not. People equating him to Palin are just wrong on that score. He can read and write and he eats beans with a fork instead of his fingers. Plus, he uses words like “epistemology” in conversation, and he actually knows what they mean. But that still doesn’t make him an intellectual – that just makes him smarter than Sam Brownback. He’s the one guy in the GOP who actually cares about policy, so he’s their intellectual by default.

When Ryan was a 19-year-old intern on the Hill, he was given two books: one by Jude Wanniski and one by George Gilder, the two founders of supply side-economics. These books were discredited looney-tunes nonsense when Ryan got them 23 years ago, yet he devoured them and marked them up with little scribbles in the margins and he still believes their crap to this day. That’s not an intellectual. Intellectuals don’t stop learning at age 19.

Third, the press acts as if Ryan is some sort of effective legislator. But, according to the Huffington Post, he’s only passed two bills into law in the 13 years he’s been in Congress. One was to rename a post office in his district after Les Aspin. The other was to reduce the taxes on hunting bows. Why hunting bows? Because Paul Ryan is an expert bow hunter. He goes through arrows like you go through condoms. He was tired of paying the sky-high Federal Arrow Surcharge or whatever it is, so he fixed it. Because that’s what Objectivists do.

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posted August 19, 2012 07:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Whaaa? Get a life

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posted August 19, 2012 12:16 PM            

True statement Lonake. O'Bomber raided the Medicare fund to pay for O'BomberCare...$716 Billion worth...almost 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars. This raiding of the fund hits both seniors on Medicare currently and everyone else who ever paid into the Medicare fund. O'Bomber stole money from senior citizens who paid into the fund most of their lives to fund a program..O'BomberCare for many of those who never paid a dime into Medicare. O'BomberCare is a money grab for senior citizens health care dollars.

O'Bomber says that $716 Billion is going to be saved by eliminating "waste, fraud and abuse" from the system. If you or anyone else believes that I've got some bridges for sale, oh and some beachfront lots on the Gulf of Mexico for sale.

Fact. O'Bomber has had the better part of 4 years to go after Medicare fraudsters and eliminate duplicated services and over billing in Medicare. O'Bomber hasn't lifted his little finger to do anything. Let's be clear. O'Bomber is the head of the Executive Branch of government. As such, all the enforcement agencies...FBI, Justice Department, head of Medicare...all work for O'Bomber...and so does every person in those agencies. Further, for the first 2 years, O'Bomber had a majority of demoscats in both houses of Congress and could have done anything he wanted to do legislatively. No bills were passed by Congress and signed by O'Bomber to reduce the Medicare budget by the amount of the waste, fraud and abuse O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades in Congress claim exists in Medicare.

"They don’t mention that Paul Ryan’s plan includes those very same cuts to future spending. The difference is that Obama’s cost savings are funneled to the health reform law. Ryan’s would be funneled toward deficit reduction."...Lonake

On balance Lonake, I'd say this in at least half true...and I hope it is true.

You cannot look at Medicare OR O'BomberCare OR Medicaid OR even private health insurance as stand alone issues. With the advent of O'BomberCare, they all became part and parcel of the same issue. O'BomberCare raids the Medicare budget to fund Medicaid for 30-45 million people. The Medicare Advantage program is private health insurance funded mostly by Medicare. Oh btw, Medicare Advantage took a hit under O'BomberCare...except for O'Bomber's pals over at AARP and a few other "favored" groups.

I dislike being put in the position of defending anyone's plan for Medicare. If it were up to me, the program would be eliminated and sent to the states to fund and run.

But since you asked Lonake, the Romney/Ryan plan will reduce medical service costs by several mechanisms which demoscats refuse to pass. And Lonake, the entire O'BomberCare spiel by demoscats was to reduce medical service costs and the attendant rising health insurance costs....which btw, hasn't happened and won't happen under O'BomberCare. This program started out being scored by CBO as costing under 1 Trillion dollars. The cost is now being estimated as costing 2.7 TRILLION DOLLARS and the number keeps going up. What was it Nancy Pee-Lousy said about O'BomberCare? Oh yeah, now I remember. "We have to pass O'BomberCare....to find out what's in it". God, what a moron and what morons the demoscats in Congress are for not even reading the 2700 page pile of crap...BEFORE VOTING FOR IT.

Opening up states for competition between medical health insurance companies will create competition and that lowers costs of insurance...as it does for everything else.

Preventing the practice of defensive medicine will lower costs of medical services and insurance costs. This means ambulance chasing attorney's like the Breck Girl...and Parent of the year...John Edwards will not be able to or not want to file frivolous medical lawsuits because a board of doctors will examine the facts of the medical case before it goes forward and of course, when the loser pays court costs and attorney fees, a lot of the nuisance suits won't be filed.

But, the biggest savings in medical services and medical insurance will be realized when patients are given a set amount of money for these services. Trust me, when patients are writing the checks, there won't be any $50 aspirin and $25 band aids on the hospital bill...or $125 charges to change the bedding at hospitals. Further, there will be a hell of a lot fewer $3700 MRIs and MRAs. I can hear some of those conversations now.....

Tell me again doc, why do I need a $3700 MRI? I have the flu!
Well, I'm just covering all the bases you know!
Tell you what doc, give me the usual for the flu....5 days of penicillin and I'll call you in 5 days.

Most people don't know that doctors get a referral fee for sending patients to other doctors or laboratories. They also don't know that many doctors own outright or have a piece of those labs...including those which do MRIs and MRAs.

Now Lonake, I'm not stupid enough to believe we're ever going to get rid of Medicare...or whatever it may be called in the future. The Romney/Ryan plan won't do that either. No one 55 or older will have their Medicare benefits touched. Those 54 and younger will HAVE THE OPTION to take regular Medicare when they are age eligible OR take a private insurance plan...which they can tailor to fit their own needs...with the federal government picking up the cost for a standard plan. Further...as I understand it...if the private plan benefits are exceeded, then Medicare will pick up the difference. AND, people can switch between regular Medicare and private insurance at an annual enrollment period.

posted August 19, 2012 12:19 PM            

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posted August 19, 2012 12:39 PM            

There was a Ryan Budget. That budget was passed by the US House of Representatives and sent to the US Senate. The idiot Hairy Reid, Senate Majority Leader didn't manage to get a budget passed...and hasn't passed a budget in the Senate for the last 3 years. Of course, federal law requires the passage of a federal budget by April 15th...EVERY DAMNED YEAR.

The usual suspects are still spouting bullshiiit. That's not surprising. They're uninformed, their Marxist Messiah is a total failure as prez and they sure can't talk about O'Bomber's successes...because there aren't any.

Hey, here's some BIG, BIG, BIG NEWS for the usual suspects to talk about.

posted August 19, 2012 01:23 PM            

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The A-hole Bill Maher is an idiot. Those who rely on Maher's bullshiiit for their NEWS are now and will be in the future "uninformed".

There was a Ryan Budget. That budget was passed by the US House of Representatives and sent to the US Senate. The idiot Hairy Reid, Senate Majority Leader didn't manage to get a budget passed...and hasn't passed a budget in the Senate for the last 3 years. Of course, federal law requires the passage of a federal budget by April 15th...EVERY DAMNED YEAR.

The usual suspects are still spouting bullshiiit. That's not surprising. They're uninformed, their Marxist Messiah is a total failure as prez and they sure can't talk about O'Bomber's successes...because there aren't any.

Hey, here's some BIG, BIG, BIG NEWS for the usual suspects to talk about.

I saw Paul Ryan at a campaign rally yesterday. Can you believe it? Paul Ryan was wearing a short sleeved shirt with no tie AND no coat. WOW!

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posted August 19, 2012 04:28 PM            

On CNN yesterday, Obama strategist David Axelrod claimed that “most of the experts who have looked at this” have said that Paul Ryan’s plan to reform Medicare would put the program “in a death spiral” and “would raise costs on seniors by thousands of dollars.” A day earlier — as Representative Ryan was preparing to accept Mitt Romney’s offer to join his ticket — Obama campaign manager Jim Messina had said the plan involved “shifting thousands of dollars in health-care costs to seniors.”

None of this is true. Any expert who looks at Ryan’s plan — any intelligent and fair-minded person, really — can tell you the actual worst-case scenario for how much more it could make beneficiaries pay: $0.

The claim Axelrod and Messina are making is based on a hostile interpretation of an earlier version of Ryan’s proposal. Ryan has changed the proposal over the last year, however, and Romney has endorsed the new version. The Democratic criticism, applied to the new plan, is indisputably false.

The Romney-Ryan proposal — which has the support of liberal Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon — would let senior citizens choose a coverage plan provided either by the federal government or by a private company. The government would defray the cost of purchasing the plan selected. The providers would submit bids showing the premiums they would charge to cover the benefits Medicare has traditionally offered. The second-lowest bid would set the amount the government would provide for each beneficiary.

Seniors who picked the second-cheapest provider would have their entire premium paid by the government, and seniors who picked the cheapest would get a check for the difference. Seniors who picked a more expensive plan would have to pay the difference out of pocket.

We have reason to be confident that this arrangement would restrain the growth of costs. A study has just shown that applying the second-cheapest-bidder approach to even the much less robust form of competition in Medicare Advantage would have resulted in a 9 percent reduction in Medicare costs in one year alone. The savings from years of real competition could be enormous.

If, however, competition does not restrain costs, the growth of government spending per beneficiary will be capped at a level a bit above the growth rate of the economy plus inflation. That is the exact level that the Obama administration envisions as well. The administration, however, hopes to reach the target by setting low prices for medical providers and otherwise micromanaging medical markets. There have been many past efforts along these lines, and they have always failed.

Under a worst-case scenario, then, the Romney-Ryan plan costs senior citizens no more than current law. It offers the hope of doing considerably better: of reining in the costs of Medicare, the principal cause of long-term debt disaster, without sacrificing patient choice, the quality of health care, or medical innovation.

posted August 19, 2012 06:35 PM            

18- to 29-year-olds are +17 for Obama http://pollingmatters.gallup.com/2012/04/obamas-demographic-strengths-non-white.html

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O'Bomber raided the Medicare fund to pay for O'BomberCare...$716 Billion worth...almost 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars. This raiding of the fund hits both seniors on Medicare currently and everyone else who ever paid into the Medicare fund. O'Bomber stole money from senior citizens who paid into the fund most of their lives to fund a program..O'BomberCare for many of those who never paid a dime into Medicare. O'BomberCare is a money grab for senior citizens health care dollars.

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This is still false for reasons already mentioned in this thread. No amount of repeating a falsehood will turn it around and make it true.

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O'Bomber says that $716 Billion is going to be saved by eliminating "waste, fraud and abuse" from the system.

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No. The CBO said that, and there is no reason to believe you're a sucker for taking their word. As I said in my last post the amount keeps going up because it is a projected savings.

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O'Bomber has had the better part of 4 years to go after Medicare fraudsters and eliminate duplicated services and over billing in Medicare. O'Bomber hasn't lifted his little finger to do anything.

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Unless you count passing the healthcare reform. The amount of non-thinking taking place in your rants is staggering.

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Further, for the first 2 years, O'Bomber had a majority of demoscats in both houses of Congress and could have done anything he wanted to do legislatively.

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Also untrue. Democrats did not have a super majority, and as such had to pass the healthcare reform under reconciliation. Have you already forgotten this?

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The Medicare Advantage program is private health insurance funded mostly by Medicare. Oh btw, Medicare Advantage took a hit under O'BomberCare..

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Yup. It was a wasteful program. More costly and less efficient.

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O'BomberCare spiel by demoscats was to reduce medical service costs and the attendant rising health insurance costs....which btw, hasn't happened and won't happen under O'BomberCare.

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Except that it has...hence the CBO's projected savings on Medicare increasing in dollar value each time they re-estimate it. No one ever said that medical costs would recede, and I think that's where Republicans make their big mistake. Republicans seem to be looking for the prices to go down. They were never going to go down. The rising costs were supposed to slow.

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Opening up states for competition between medical health insurance companies will create competition and that lowers costs of insurance...as it does for everything else.

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Conservatives can still put this on the table.

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As for your question about why there's discrepancies about how much money O'Bomber robbed from seniors to fund O'BomberCare; the original number was about $550 BILLION but as the bill was actually read and scored, the number kept going up....now at $716 BILLION. Some people just haven't kept up with the current information. Like the woman who said...$617 BILLION.

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