posted August 19, 2012 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Yep, have brain and spine. Your turn

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Judging from your posts, no, you don't. You obviously prefer to be told what to think. Makes life so much easier to not take responsibility into your own hands and form an independent thought. Must be scary as hell for you.

You have yet to answer my question about what rights you have lost since Obama took office. What's the matter? Can't come up with anything?

posted August 19, 2012 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah:
Judging from your posts, no, you don't. You obviously prefer to be told what to think. Makes life so much easier to not take responsibility into your own hands and form an independent thought. Must be scary as hell for you.

You have yet to answer my question about what rights you have lost since Obama took office. What's the matter? Can't come up with anything?

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Newsflash--if you want my opinion, see what Jwhop writes. I agree with it all

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posted August 19, 2012 07:28 PM            

1.) Renaming a post office in his district...after Bill Clinton's Sec. Of defense.

2.) Reducing the taxes on Hunting Bows!
because he himself is a bow hunter.

doesn't get much better than that.

Gasp- impressive isn't it? The legislative experience he will bring to the Romney table.

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posted August 19, 2012 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah:
Which further proves my point.

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YOU should be so fortunate as to follow in the footsteps of a fine person like Jwhop. He is a person who tells it like it is, a courageous person, not a sheeple like the 4 stooges, on here.

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posted August 19, 2012 08:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU should be so fortunate as to follow in the footsteps of a fine person like Jwhop. He is a person who tells it like it is, a courageous person, not a sheeple like the 4 stooges, on here.

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Four stooges

gee I wonder who you lable as such... Hmmmm. That`s a toughie

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posted August 19, 2012 09:10 PM            

and, in case you haven't noticed with your head in the sand, there, ollie has a hard time keeping that wolf-suit on.

yes medicare advantage took a BIG HIT, and SENIORS ARE SAVING HAND OVER FIST BECAUSE of that hit.

i recently discovered that i could get the same organic chocolate i used to buy for HALF the price if i went into a less trendy store. lord, the injustice of it!! i have loads of extra money now!

posted August 19, 2012 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Ami, everyone here tells it as it is. It's just that some have better grasps of reality than others.

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Like Jwhop

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posted August 19, 2012 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
yes ami, "follow in the footsteps" of whomever you choose, but don't then turn around and pretend to have a thought in your head...

and, in case you haven't noticed with your head in the sand, there, ollie has a hard time keeping that wolf-suit on.

yes medicare advantage took a BIG HIT, and SENIORS ARE SAVING HAND OVER FIST BECAUSE of that hit.

i recently discovered that i could get the same organic chocolate i used to buy for HALF the price if i went into a less trendy store. lord, the injustice of it!! i have loads of extra money now!

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This post makes no sense

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posted August 19, 2012 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU should be so fortunate as to follow in the footsteps of a fine person like Jwhop. He is a person who tells it like it is, a courageous person, not a sheeple like the 4 stooges, on here.

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Lol. I'll take these so-called "stooges" any day of the week over the undeniably insane. At least they can stay on point without deflecting and hoping no one notices.

YOU should work on being your own mouthpiece. Start by removing your lips from Jwhop's left or right cheek. Not sure which one you prefer.

He is a person who tells it like the person before him told him to repeat such dribble. This does not reflect intellect or courage, but a cultish fever.

posted August 20, 2012 08:10 AM            

I even have a song for him. Listen up and learn somethin' Deliah et al

To Jwhop with love from Ami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpdm1ySJsqw

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posted August 20, 2012 12:10 PM            

This is the usual suspect so out of touch with reality he thinks terrorists are ballsy...for opening up with automatic weapons on unarmed civilians. Wow! Thinks terrorists are ballsy for hiding behind women and children while opening fire on American military forces..WOW! Thinks Americans and America oppressed/repressed Iraqi citizens...for not packaging up a water treatment plant and sending it to Saddam...while Saddam was sitting in his palaces...in full power in Iraq. Wow! Says Capricorns don't lie. Wow!

If having ones feet planted firmly on terra firma represents "reality", acoustic's feet haven't touched earth in all the time he's been on this site.

So, the rest of the usual suspects should give acoustic all the help you can. acoustic needs your help...even if it's a case of the blind leading the blind.

Maher shares several characteristics with acoustic. Far left Socialist loon dwelling in the leftist bubble world of unreality.

Neither of them could find their own butts.

They both back the Worst President in American History.

They both backed the American Traitor, John Traitor Kerry.

AND they're both members of the same club...Misogynist Club of America.

This is way too easy. I usually refrain from beating up on intellectually defenseless leftists. Perhaps God will call me to account one day. In my defense, I will say...but they're Masochists. They enjoy it and besides, they're getting the education they didn't get in their public schools.

Let's consider it a public service!

Thanks Ami. Hang in there. It looks like it's just the 2 of us holding down the fort against the leftist hoard. Relief is just an election away...hopefully!

posted August 20, 2012 12:58 PM            

Oh, poor Jwhop. Doesn't believe his intellect stands up to scrutiny, so he tries to make the other guy out as the radical one.

posted August 20, 2012 03:09 PM            

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Thanks Ami. Hang in there. It looks like it's just the 2 of us holding down the fort against the leftist hoard. Relief is just an election away...hopefully!

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Hope so, Jwhop. If O'Bomber wins again, I don't know what I will do

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posted August 20, 2012 04:36 PM            

Even the Gen X, Gen Y and Millennial crowd is abandoning your little empty headed Marxist Messiah O'Bomber.

After all the leftist political indoctrination they've had over the years...in public schools and then college, seeing Socialism in action was all it took to turn them around.

Why The Screwed Generation Is Turning To Paul Ryan
by Kirsten Powers
Aug 16, 2012

Boomers don’t want to give up their sweet deal, but the rest of us have reason to embrace Ryan’s “radical” plans, writes Kirsten Powers.

We’ve finally been vindicated: Members of Generation X have a representative who is anything but a slacker.

GOP Congressman Paul Ryan—the tireless, wonky, 42-year-old workout freak—has made history by becoming the first member of our generation to join a presidential ticket. It should come as a surprise to no one that his calling card is reforming entitlements.

We hear incessantly about how members of today’s screwed generation face the prospect of less prosperous lives than those lived by their parents. But the maiden generation to stare down that gloomy prognosis was Generation X, the tiny slice of America born between about 1965 and 1980. (Ryan was born in 1970.) We were the first generation to be told we would never get Social Security or Medicare even though we would be forced to pay into these programs.

When many X-ers graduated from college, stocking shelves at the Gap was considered a career choice, as jobs were few and far between amidst a major economic downturn. I won’t bore you with the horror show of the low-paying and miserable jobs I had for the first three years after college.

Unfortunately, the future looks as bleak for today’s young people. No amount of coddling by their well-provided-for Boomer parents can save Generation Y and the Millennials from the dire economic conditions they face, including criminal levels of educational debt. Pensions have gone the way of the horse and buggy. You want to retire with health-care benefits, as both my professor parents did? Good luck. As the 1994 movie turned Gen-X mantra has it: Reality Bites.

Generation X chronicler Jeff Gordinier, has written that Gen-Xers suffer from “athazagoraphobia”—“an abnormal and persistent fear of being forgotten or ignored.” Except it’s not really a phobia; it’s been reality for a long time. Maybe that is about to change.

Enter Ryan. While Democrats attack his Medicare plan as “radical” and portray him as pushing granny off the cliff, young people don’t seem to be buying this caricature. Or maybe “radical” is what they want.

A Zogby/JZ Analytics poll Tuesday showed increased support among voters 18-29 for the Romney ticket, which pollster John Zogby attributed to the Ryan pick. President Obama received just 49 percent of the youth vote, versus Romney’s 41 percent. (Obama took home 66 percent of the youth vote against McCain in 2008.)

While Democrats attack Ryan’s Medicare plan as “radical” and portray him as pushing granny off the cliff, young people don’t seem to be buying this caricature. Or maybe “radical” is what they want.
For those who think those numbers are an anomaly, take a look at Pew’s 2011 polling that found that among 18-29 year olds, 46 percent supported Ryan’s proposed Medicare changes with only 28 percent opposing (the rest had no opinion). Among 30-49 year olds it was 38 percent approving and 36 percent opposed. The strongest opposition to Ryan’s plan comes from those over 65, who ironically won’t even be affected by his plan since it would only apply to those 55 and under. Pew found that age, not party identification was the biggest predictor of how a person would feel about his plan.

Jon Cowan, the CEO of the centrist think tank Third Way told me, “Ryan is doing the country a huge service by putting this on the table.” Cowan is the former founder of Lead or Leave, a Gen X group that gained prominence in the 1990s as it rang the alarm bells for reducing the deficit and dealing with entitlements. He doesn’t believe Ryan’s plan is the best way to reform Medicare, though he concedes that it is a serious plan. He cautions that Democrats may find themselves in political peril in the next 10 years if they don’t come up with a substantive alternative plan. He says, “There are a lot of younger voters who say of the Ryan plan, ‘at least I get something… at least there is a plan’. If you don’t get in there and offer a plan you give up the high ground on policy.”

Watch members of "generation screwed" discuss their challenges

Yes, our expectations for government benefits when we retire have been lowered so much that the idea that we would get anything at all seems like a bonanza. Ryan’s plan also seems a lot less scary when you consider that his partner on it is the liberal Oregon Senator Ron Wyden.

Still, the attacks by Democrats on Ryan and his plans for entitlement reform are scaring Boomers—who don’t want to lose the good deal they have and don’t realize Ryan’s plans wouldn’t impact anyone collecting Medicare now or who will start in the next 10 years—and could indeed cost Romney in November.

But Ryan is young and is poised to be the intellectual leader of the conservative movement for the next generation. He will be a force to be reckoned with. Name-calling and distortions of his plan by Democrats is not an effective long-term strategy, nor is it good for the country.

Kirsten Powers is a columnist for The Daily Beast. She is also a contributor to USA Today and a Fox News political analyst. She served in the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1998 and has worked in New York state and city politics. Her writing has been published in The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, New York Post, The New York Observer, Salon.com, Elle magazine, and American Prospect online.

posted August 20, 2012 07:01 PM            

he also solicited and received govt funds to help forestall the closure of the GM plant in his hometown...

posted August 20, 2012 10:43 PM            

And, here we are having that talk about Ryan you said we weren't going to have. Hope you're enjoying it as much as I am.

Ryan in Florida: ‘Medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for Obamacare’
By: John Hayward
8/20/2012 09:06 AM

Paul Ryan gave his first Florida speech as the Republican vice presidential candidate at The Villages, a large retirement community north of Orlando, on Saturday. Ryan’s speech went so well that the Romney campaign quickly built a Web advertisement around it, called “Our Generation’s Time,” highlighting Ryan’s declaration that “Medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for ObamaCare.”

The Obama campaign appears to have been caught completely flat-footed by Romney and Ryan’s aggressive stance on Medicare reform. Obama’s hapless deputy campaign manager, documented liar Stephanie Cutter, was reduced to contradicting her own statements from just one week earlier about the ObamaCare raid on Medicare funding. As the Romney campaign was happy to point out, Cutter was describing the Medicare raid as an “achievement” in cost-cutting on last weekend’s talk-show circuit, but now she’s singing from her panicked campaign’s new “math is hard” playbook:

Cutter, by the way, is back to lying through her teeth on national television about when she knew the details of the phony “Mitt Romney killed my wife” story peddled by steelworker Joe Soptic, having apparently decided to whistle past the graveyard of her now-famous May 14 conference call in which she hosted Soptic telling his story.

Obama’s continued insistence upon putting Cutter forth as a surrogate, along with his refusal to condemn the Soptic ad, is a powerful indictment of this President’s personal honor and integrity. Stephanie Cutter is the perfect spokeswoman for Obama’s dishonest, fact-challenged position on Medicare.

You can tell the Romney-Ryan pushback on Medicare is killing the Obama ticket by the media’s desperate attempts to change the subject. For example, after sneering at The Villages as “a hotbed of Republican retirees” where “free entertainment and boozy dances each night have helped this community of 60,000 seniors earn a somewhat double-edged reputation as Disney World for the Cialis set,” the L.A. Times assures us that “some Republican strategists” think Medicare’s not even a big issue anymore, because the New Deal generation is dying off.

Then the Times spends a couple of paragraphs fretting that Medicare is distracting Romney from his vitally necessary focus on the economy. As if those were two separate issues! One of the major points Paul Ryan has long endeavored to make is that taxes, government spending, the pressure from entitlement programs, the national debt, and economic growth are closely related. The federal government’s relationship to the private sector is changing, from parasitic to carnivorous.

posted August 21, 2012 04:49 PM            

except most of said "research" is politically motivated OPINION and not research at all

perhaps it was the mention of ollie that confused you? since you remind me of stan, perhaps if you put the two together you will figure it out?

interesting piece, jwhop, and it gives away the game really...the Greatest (GI) Generation whom the republicans pretend to idolize are dying out. so NOW IS THE TIME TO PUSH OUT THEIR POLICIES as well. this shows the GREATEST LACK OF RESPECT for those folk who are paid lip-service daily in the very campaign that seeks to erase their contributions to the country.

just like the smug assurances that "no one over 55" will see any changes to medicare...as if no one under 55 has any grounds for complaint...is supposed to make EVAbody happy!

posted August 21, 2012 07:04 PM            

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You're always "wetting yourself" over one thing or another acoustic.

And, here we are having that talk about Ryan you said we weren't going to have. Hope you're enjoying it as much as I am.

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Yeah, right. That'll be the day.

And, here we are having the talk I thought you'd initiate the day of Romney's Ryan announcement, yes. I never said we weren't going to have a talk about him. Reread the title of this thread.

I wish you could be as calm and dispassionate as me. That would be an upgrade.

You want an article about Medicare now?

Obamacare 'raids' Medicare? Not exactly

By Jon Healey

August 21, 2012, 2:44 p.m.
Responding to accusations by Democrats and liberal groups that Republicans are trying to "end Medicare as we know it," GOP candidates have been blasting Democrats for cutting billions from Medicare to fund the 2010 healthcare reform law, better known as Obamacare. As the party's presumptive vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, said last week, "[T]he president took $716 billion from the Medicare program -- he raided it -- to pay for Obamacare."

Ryan's an odd messenger on this point. That's not just because the budget resolutions he wrote would have left that Medicare "raid" in place, but because the reductions in Obamacare reflect a Ryan-like faith in Medicare's ability to provide the same level of service with less money.

The 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act slows the growth in Medicare spending in several ways, including smaller automatic increases in payment rates for treatment providers and lower subsidies for private insurers. These two changes account for the largest savings -- $571 billion over 10 years, by the Congressional Budget Office's estimate. Both of them operate on the theory that the recipients of Medicare dollars can and should deliver better value of the money.

That's what Ryan has been trying to do too, albeit through a very different mechanism. Starting in 2022, Ryan would give new Medicare beneficiaries vouchers that grow from year to year at a slower rate than medical expenses have been growing. Private insurers would then compete with Medicare for these beneficiaries' business. The theory is that competition at the insurer level will force providers to deliver better value for the money.

The Affordable Care Act also tries to slow the growth of Medicare by prodding healthcare providers to deliver higher-quality care. Two examples: It reduces payments to hospitals that readmitted Medicare patients shortly after they'd been discharged, and that had an excessive rate of hospital-acquired maladies. And it cuts the extra Medicare payments to hospitals that treat a lot of patients who can't pay their bills, on the reasonable assumption that the act will extend insurance coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

There's one other problem with the "raiding" argument. Although Medicare is funded to some extent by payroll taxes, it "raids" the U.S. Treasury to the tune of more than $220 billion a year to help cover the cost of recipients' doctor bills and prescription drugs. That's about three times as much as the 2010 law trims from Medicare spending annually.

In other words, the Affordable Care Act reduces the amount that Medicare takes from the Treasury for the sake of subsidizing a different group: the non-elderly working poor and lower middle class. Ryan can argue that we shouldn't help those people afford insurance, but he can't honestly say the law steals anything from the Medicare trust funds.

In fact, the law brings more money into the Medicare Hospital Insurance trust fund -- an estimated $318 billion over 10 years -- by hitting upper-income households with a 0.9% payroll-tax surcharge and a 3.8% tax on investment income. As someone with an intimate knowledge of the federal budget and the way money flows in and out of the Treasury, Ryan knows this. But he's hardly the first pol to let the facts get in the way of a good applause line.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-medicare-cuts-obamacare-romney-and-ryan-20120821,0,7510717.story

Same thing I've been trying to drive home for awhile now. Maybe you'll understand it in someone else's words. No?

Pew: Ryan and Medicare ideas unpopular

By ALEXANDER BURNS | 8/21/12 3:13 PM EDT An interesting survey from the Pew Center, which finds that voters aren't overly impressed with Paul Ryan, they don't like his plans for Medicare, but they don't necessarily associate Ryan's name with a Medicare overhaul proposal:

The survey, conducted August 16-19, 2012 among 1,005 adults nationwide, finds 72% have heard a lot or a little about a proposal to change Medicare into a program that would give future participants a credit toward purchasing private health insurance coverage. And among those who are aware, the idea remains unpopular; by a 49% to 34% margin more oppose than favor the idea. This is virtually unchanged from public reactions a little over a year ago, when Republicans in the House voted in favor of this proposal as part of the “Ryan plan.” …

The public offers a relatively negative assessment of Mitt Romney’s selection of Ryan as his running mate. Nearly half (46%) say Ryan is an only fair or poor choice, while 28% say he is an excellent or good choice. By comparison, reactions to John Kerry’s selection of John Edwards in 2004, and Bill Clinton’s selection of Al Gore in 1992, were more positive than negative. …

At this point, most Americans do not associate Ryan with the proposal to change Medicare. Just 23% of those who have heard about the idea of shifting Medicare to a system of credits to buy private insurance identify it as Ryan’s. Nearly as many (17%) say Barack Obama proposed this, while 44% do not know who proposed it.

posted August 22, 2012 07:59 AM            

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lol ami, thank you for not being able to make sense out of my post. case rests. a simple few sentences are enough to confuse you, no wonder you follow in jwhop's footsteps afraid to make a point yourself. he uses so many words it must seem like he is posting "research" to you...after all, only "researchers" can string so many words together!

except most of said "research" is politically motivated OPINION and not research at all

perhaps it was the mention of ollie that confused you? since you remind me of stan, perhaps if you put the two together you will figure it out?

interesting piece, jwhop, and it gives away the game really...the Greatest (GI) Generation whom the republicans pretend to idolize are dying out. so NOW IS THE TIME TO PUSH OUT THEIR POLICIES as well. this shows the GREATEST LACK OF RESPECT for those folk who are paid lip-service daily in the very campaign that seeks to erase their contributions to the country.

just like the smug assurances that "no one over 55" will see any changes to medicare...as if no one under 55 has any grounds for complaint...is supposed to make EVAbody happy!

oh and i think you meant to say "horde" not "hoard", though it's hard to tell with you the way you strangle the language in search of degrading nicknames and untruths.

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posted August 22, 2012 09:20 AM            

In all cases those becoming age eligible will be able to choose regular Medicare as one of their options and those 55 or older and those already on Medicare will have regular Medicare benefits.

O'Bomber and his lying Socialist comrade pants wetting screechers are drilling a dry hole.