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Topic: Fox News poll: Obama's lead grows as Romney's support slips
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1998 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 28, 2012 05:51 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/%26vm=r?intcmp=obinsite Whut???
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 2166 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 29, 2012 01:09 AM
No significant difference, in terms of policy and agenda, between the power-mongers contending for office, and the President wields so little power in the grand scheme of things anyway, why is this an interesting contest? To me, the whole power structure and its corruptions and secrets are a more interesting conversation topic than the elections, by far. But all people talk about are elections. Not just here, I mean on the news and everywhere.
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Node Knowflake Posts: 1998 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 03:16 AM
Faith, not too long ago, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. For quite awhile there has been little discernible difference [by policy] measures enacted, in either party.That changed dramatically with the formation of the extremist Repub offshoot Tea Party. ~the short answer~ IMO the TP was salted and grown in a corporate petri dish. It was a game changer. Initially these people [much like OWS] had serious charges, they were not only ignored, they were flipped. Congress approval is- what - 12%? George Carlin the American Dream IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 3965 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 07:34 AM
From the article on foxnews.com: << The Obama campaign has spent heavily on advertising attacking Romney’s time at Bain Capital and his tax returns. And it appears to be working. >>I have a very strong feeling that Romney's financial secrets will be conveniently leaked in the end of September, and there will be a Democratic campaign of utter shock and disbelief at the "financial engineering". Another 4-5 point swing? The Republicans have chosen a candidate with a large Achilles Heel in such a vital race. We could soon be seeing youtube videos with Obama's face morphed on Usain Bolt... P.S: An interesting trailer of a DVD: http://amormonpresident.com/
55% of respondents say that America is not ready for a Mormon President. Could there be last minute switches in votes because Mitt is a Mormon? P.S2: Could Romney be the reincarnation of Joseph Smith ?! The Portrait of Joseph Smith [and the actor in that DVD] look eerily like Mitt Romney. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 11:26 AM
Such polls are meaningless. It's really about what "likely voters" think, not the public at large. And, "likely voters" think O'Bomber is "bombing" in his job.Intensity of support or opposition can have an impact on campaigns. Currently, 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15. During midterm elections, intensity of support can have a tremendous impact on turnout. That was demonstrated in 2010 when Republicans and unaffiliated voters turned out in large numbers to express opposition to the Obama administration’s policies. www.rasmussenreports.com
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6577 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 11:30 AM
It's funny when the most poll-loving person on this site decries a poll.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 12:33 PM
Yeah acoustic but if you didn't have your head screwed on backward..left hand threads, you'd know I favor polls of "likely voters".Oh, and I also dislike those polls you droll over which over-sample demoscats and under-sample republicans. I know they make you feel good but they're meaningless as well. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8708 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 02:22 PM
way to refute a poll and the importance of polls...use a poll! brilliant!!and i just love the way the republicans by-word is how negative and nasty the democrat campaign is...while being negative and nasty themselves. proclaiming that obama CAN"T run on his record doesn't seem to be stopping him doing so. and the conservative wish to run all our lives is hoist in its own petard, as they say. right now, though i resent government intrusion as much as most conservatives, the govt is the only thing we have to rein in the corporate agenda.mitt is norquist's pick, and that alone tells you a great deal. the lobbyist's dream prez who will do as he's told, an obedient pisces dog who will be expected to sit up and beg on order, and roll over too. obama has plenty of faults, but as faith pointed out, the president is really not the main game - never has been, though if he is inspiring enough he can get "the people" behind what the gov is doing... we still need to concentrate on congress and VOTE... and also look to our own states because they have more direct affect on their citizens (and tend to meddle even more than the feds despite the conservative love affair with states' rights). IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 02:55 PM
Well, it is "brilliant" to use a poll from the most accurate polling service in the United States katatonic. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) And, it's far from "brilliant" of you not to know Rasmussen IS the most accurate polling service since it's been pointed out to you repeatedly over several years AND reported on by media who track such information...which has also been shared with you. "Brilliant" simply "brilliant". ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6577 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 03:18 PM
![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) Yeah, we've discussed "likely voters" before. Don't you remember? They don't matter unless they happen to be in swing states where their vote is going to make a difference. I don't drool over any polls. Actually, there's very little in life that I could rationally be said to drool over. You, on the other hand, believe that if there's a poll to support your point it's as good as factual proof, though [again rationally] it isn't. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8708 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 03:51 PM
i know about rasmussen. pity you don't understand english or the word sardonic..."polls are useless...this poll says so!" "what's worse than an armchair critic? a bathtub critic!" IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 35904 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted August 29, 2012 03:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: Well, it is "brilliant" to use a poll from the most accurate polling service in the United States katatonic. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) And, it's far from "brilliant" of you not to know Rasmussen IS the most accurate polling service since it's been pointed out to you repeatedly over several years AND reported on by media who track such information...which has also been shared with you. "Brilliant" simply "brilliant". ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif)
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 05:08 PM
I recall you "drooling" over that Pew Poll acoustic AND misinterpreting the results. All because you can't decipher the common dictionary definion of "MOST". ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) Of course you could have commented intelligently...by posting polls of "likely voters" in the swing states over which you are hyperventilating. But alas, you didn't. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8708 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 06:37 PM
too bad there are so many more voters than the "likely" ones selected by rasmussen, isn't it?IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1998 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 07:14 PM
Dang, I'm in a serious pout.All the polls show that I am: and here I thought the joke unsubtle. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 07:23 PM
Actually there aren't "many more voters than likely voters". ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) There are many more "registered voters"..who don't wind up voting. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) Which is the reason Rasmussen polls "likely voters" only and runs the most accurate polling service in America...as borne out by election results. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/wink.gif) Rasmussen also polls on "likely voter intensity". O'Bomber is down -15 on the job approval scale. Strongly approve 25%. Strongly Disapprove 40%. How any sane person could possibly approve of the job this empty suit twit is doing defies reason and logic. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6577 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 07:27 PM
quote: I recall you "drooling" over that Pew Poll acoustic AND misinterpreting the results. All because you can't decipher the common dictionary definion of "MOST".
Well, that's more than a little ill-advised on your part considering the fact that you got your ass handed to you in that debate several times over multiple years (every time you brought it up). It didn't come down to the meaning of "Most" as you mischaracterize it now. It came down to the simple fact that YOU didn't understand how people answer questions when asked to rate something on a scale. Insistance on a categorically irrational stance won't ever re-write history in your favor. You can save the "drooling, hyperventilating" talk for some moron that would believe it. Speaking dramatically only reinforces the idea that you have an inferiority complex you're trying desperately to overcome. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2012 08:29 PM
Actually you are so language challenged you lost that debate before it even got cranked up. Then, you craw fished and didn't follow through as you said you would and didn't contact Pew to get their interpretation of their poll results.Of course, we both know the reason you didn't. You knew your nonsense interpretation couldn't prevail. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) Who could believe anyone wouldn't understand the word "MOST", when used as an indefinite quantifier always means the "greater part"...of whatever is being discussed. Sad, pathetic really and especially when there's so many on line dictionaries available. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/frown.gif)
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 2166 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 30, 2012 08:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by Node:
That changed dramatically with the formation of the extremist Repub offshoot Tea Party.
What is your criticism of the Tea Party? My criticisms are: 1) They are astroturf, controlled opposition, created to siphon off support from Ron Paul while couching Ron Paul's popular Constitutionalist approach in neoconservative rhetoric. 2) The Tea Parties ought to love Obama because all of them are neocons. Key neocon WIlliam Kristol, who spoke at Tea Party rallies, once expressed his delight with Obama's warmongering and said "All hail Obama!" The irony in that joke would be lost on most Americans, who don't see how much Rupert Murdoch, his boy Kristol, Kristol's NGO's like PNAC and FPI, and Obama are all in bed together working to advance the New American Century. 3) All the Tea Party goers I know lack a real understanding of the foundations of our foreign policy, and their professed interest in the Constitution is like empty religious blather. They don't mean it. They are pro-undeclared wars and pro-Patriot Act. 4) And yet many harp on the 2nd Amendment, thinking that will resolve these problems, when it won't.
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YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3604 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 30, 2012 09:07 AM
It's the electoral college that ultimately matters. Populist polls are only indicative and are inconclusive in a dynamic situation. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6577 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2012 10:52 AM
Like I said, no attempt at rewriting history is going to work here. You lost obviously, and you lost bad multiple times. If you want to bring up contacting Pew about it, why don't you go ahead and do that, and post their response right here? Only an idiot would claim that the entity against his version of the truth would help him out. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/biggrin.gif) Stroll back to 2005: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001559-2.html 2006: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001688-2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001811-4.html 2007: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002245-3.html 2008: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/003771-7.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004288.html Last year:
A question asked people to rate credibility on a scale with credibility on one side, and uncredibility on the other. As I showed in that six year old thread, you selectively left out the two middle columns, which would logically be the most popular choices. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000831.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000803-3.html Long term analysis shows that you've been off your rocker for quite some time now.Apparently Google doesn't want to let you off the hook on this one. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/wink.gif) IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2012 01:08 PM
Obviously acoustic, You lost that debate from the opening bell. And, you still don't know what the common English word MOST means.When I straightened you out on your appalling misapplication of the word MOST, you said you were going to contact Pew..you know, to set me straight. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) I thought it arrogant in the extreme acoustic that you insisted Pew segment their own poll in a manner agreeable to you. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) But, you craw-fished and didn't follow through. No doubt because you realized you can't prevail on any rational, logical basis. It's only in your little leftist bubble world of unreality that words mean whatever you want them to mean acoustic. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif)
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6577 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2012 03:21 PM
Obviously you lost that debate. Originally, people piled on to tell you so. If you'd like to take another poll on your analysis, I'd be up for that just as I'm up on you contacting Pew. There has never been any doubt that I was right on that, and you were wrong (and there still isn't). quote: I thought it arrogant in the extreme acoustic that you insisted Pew segment their own poll in a manner agreeable to you.
That would be logical if that was what I had done. I didn't though. I correctly identified how they conducted the poll, which you continue to have no answer for. Though the question asked people to rate things on a scale, you've never accepted the truth of what polling on a scale is about. quote: But, you craw-fished and didn't follow through. No doubt because you realized you can't prevail on any rational, logical basis.
False. There is no evidence that I didn't follow through. There is also no question that Pew would have confirmed that I was always completely correct on the matter. "Unreality" is your realm, and it forever will be. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5714 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2012 04:20 PM
Obviously, you still can't find your own ass with both hands, a search light and a map from a Proctologist acoustic. AND...you still can't define the common English word MOST or you would know conclusively why you're still making a bullshiit argument. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) I'm still waiting for you to "set me straight"...with Pew's interpretation of their poll results which you contested with me. You do remember threatening to write Pew personally...just to "straighten me out" don't you acoustic? ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) But, let's review what's happened in the meantime, shall we? Just as I predicted, the NY Times has gone into the toilet. Subscriptions are way down, revenues are way down, they had to sell their wonderful building and do a leaseback, they had to borrow money from a Mexican billionaire, they've laid off a ton of staff, their stock price nosedived...and stayed down. This is what happens when you're selling information..(news) and no one believes the information..(news) you're selling. And, it's exactly what I predicted was going to happen when I saw that only 21% of respondents to that Pew Poll believed ALL or even MOST of what the NY Times prints as news. Conversely, 79% of respondents to that poll believe less than half declining down to nothing they read in the NY Times. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif)
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8708 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 30, 2012 04:43 PM
oh dear, things have deteriorated again to the point where jwhop is calling on his proctologist .. ie has nothing tangible to come back with...@ faith, last night i heard a ron paul delegate talking to - i think - allen colmes...apparently his people are going to support gary johnson, the libertarian candidate...they are so pissedoff at how romney and his gang have treated paul and his delegates, who spent thousands to get to the convention (their own money) only to be dissed on arrival... bad move on the part of a candidate who will likely be scraping by IF he has ALL the support of those who don't want obama...with ron paul's electoral folk splitting off the republicans are looking very sad indeed. IP: Logged |