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AcousticGod
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posted September 01, 2012 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally Democrats get to see the Obama Conservatives have been whining about:

No wonder we disagree with the Conservative assessment of him. This is why we're always having talks about reality versus imagination.

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posted September 01, 2012 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
clint is a funny guy. conservative with liberal spots, kind of like a calico cat!

although i admire him greatly i consider it amusing that anyone would call him a HERO, or see what he did as "pouring his guts out"; he's an actor and quite the tongue-in-cheekist.

a gemini horse with scorp rising, he often seems more intense than he is...part of his appeal, that scorp rising;

i had to laugh when i heard one leftish pundit suggesting that the "we own it, not you" was a racist implication that WHITE people own the country...that is not in clint's sphere at all. but then when biden mentioned "chains" to an audience with black people in it the right got all tangled up in that, thinking he was addressing only half the audience for some reason.

we are so sensitive sometimes!

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posted September 01, 2012 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I grew up with Clint Eastwood movies and always had great admiration for his acting. I don`t know a thing about his politics but

in this case, he left me scratching my head . I didn`t know it was unscripted but should have caught on by the hesitation and long pauses between sentences. Very unlike him, I thought.


I agree with some he did detract from Mitts message but, once an actor.....

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eastwood has also been a politician. mayor of carmel (or was it monterey?) some time back...not for long, as i recall. maybe didn't have the stomach for that kind of executive role, though in the arts he is great at it.

funnily clint got his big break in those spaghetti westerns...italy being a stronghold of socialism AND anarchy simultaneously. dirty harry always struck me as a double-edged statement too.

but it strikes me as most amusing that the conservatives who decry hollywood are crowing about having a film industry icon in their court.

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posted September 01, 2012 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
kat, I read Carmel By the Sea.

What is his history of political leanings. I note you used calico cat in description

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Eastwood registered as a Republican in order to vote for Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and he passively supported Richard Nixon's 1968 and 1972 presidential campaigns. He later criticized Nixon's handling of the Vietnam War and his morality during Watergate.[2][3] He usually describes himself as a libertarian in interviews.[4] He told USA Weekend in 2004, "I don't see myself as conservative, but I'm not ultra-leftist. ... I like the libertarian view, which is to leave everyone alone. Even as a kid, I was annoyed by people who wanted to tell everyone how to live."[5]

At times, he has supported Democrats in California, such as the liberal and environmentally concerned Representative Sam Farr in 2002. Eastwood contributed $1,000 to Farr's successful re-election campaign that year and on May 23, 2003, he hosted a $5,000-per-ticket fundraiser for California's Democratic governor, Gray Davis.[6] Later that year, Eastwood offered to film a commercial in support of the embattled governor,[7] and in 2001, the star visited Davis' office to support an alternative energy bill written by another Democrat, California State Assemblyman Fred Keeley.

Eastwood disapproved of America's wars in Korea (1950–1953), Vietnam (1964–1975), and Iraq (2003–2011), believing that the United States should not be overly militaristic or play the role of global policeman. He considers himself too individualistic to be either right-wing or left-wing,

and has described himself as a "political nothing" and a "moderate".[3]

During the 2008 United States Presidential Election, Eastwood endorsed John McCain for President; he has known McCain since 1973.[8] Upon the election of Barack Obama, Eastwood stated "Obama is my president now and I am going to be wishing him the very best because it is what is best for all of us."[9]

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posted September 01, 2012 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!

Indeed Calico kitty describes him.


I didn`t realize he was an outspoken Hollywood celebrity tho.

I love his acting but perhaps he should let comedy gigs float by him.

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posted September 01, 2012 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one expected leftists to understand why Clint Eastwood was effective at the RNC Convention. No one would ever accuse leftists of being deep thinkers. Same with the O'Bomber campaign committee..and O'Bomber himself.

Eastwood used soft ridicule on O'Bomber..not the blatant in your face ridicule dished out by leftist attack ads against Romney and Ryan.

The best line and it was deliberately delivered was Eastwood telling everyone that when someone isn't doing the job, we have to let them go. The audience and almost everyone who lives in the real world understands that.

Do the job..or get your ass fired!

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posted September 01, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
September 1, 2012
Targeting regretful 2008 Obama voters
Thomas Lifson

It has become clear that many people who voted for Obama in 2008, buying into the diaphanous hope and change promise, are disappointed in his performance. Yet many of these good hearted people still are reluctant to abandon the First Black President, out of a sense that such an historic event is not lightly jettisoned.

Giving permission to such voters to choose an alternative is one of the key psychological battles ahead. Clint Eastwood's historic address to the Tampa RNC is best understood as part of this effort. His aside that you have to let someone go when he doesn't produce was the key point of the entire exercise, coming from a man who is a renowned director, as well as an actor.

Another extremely effective method of offering psychological permission has been superPAC ads featuring former Obama voters expressing their disappointment. Perhaps the ultimate such approach is the movie The Hope and the Change, produced by luminaries David Bossie, Stephen K Bannon, and the great Pat Caddell, a liberal with honesty and a conscience. It features former OBama voters explaining why they are changing this year.

Sean Hannity screened the film on August 24th, and according to Breitbart News, was the top rated program on cable news that day. Because of its effectiveness, it was repeated Friday nioght, and now, we are told it will be repeated tonight, at 10 PM Eastern time.

If you have any friends who supported Obama in 2008, perhaps you might suggest they record this one and see what they think.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/targeting_regretful_2008_obama_voters.html

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posted September 01, 2012 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing for sure, if the job isn`t getting done, every one is replaceable.
Kinda like Trumps : your fired.

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posted September 01, 2012 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
many people will be voting third party this time, methinks...should be interesting.

however i have heard plenty of "rightists" complaining about clint's performance.

as to the former obama voters, there are just as many new ones who used to be republicans...this is a game full of wild cards.

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posted September 01, 2012 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jon Stewart loved it, too:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/fri-august-31-2012-

It started off slow, IMO, and fact is I think I'd have stopped watching in the first 5 minutes had not a friend told me to keep watching, but then it got much better, IMO.

And then came this brilliant line:

"[Obama] has issues and there are very legitimate debates to be had about his policies and actions and successes and/or failures as president. I mean tune in next week. But I could never wrap my head around why the world and the president that Republicans describe bears so little resemblance to the world and the president that I experience. And now I know why. There is a President Obama only Republicans can see. And while the president the rest of us sees has issues apparently this president, invisible to many, is bent on our wholesale destruction...

<snip>

"If you really want to make this election about [Invisible Obama]...let me see if I can paraphrase...go ahead, make my day."

Of course he points out how many of the things said to "Invisible Obama" were at least as applicable (if not more so) to Bush and/or Romney. (A brief example was Clint saying it wasn't a good idea for attorneys to be POTUS and Stewart's response of, "Yeah, take that Harvard lawyer Barack Obama, you'll never be the man Harvard lawyer Mitt Romney is.")

The part with Clint Eastwood was only in the first 15 minutes (after it goes to commercial again then that part is over), but it had other moments after, too. (Liked the one, "Can I see your papers? [takes ID] Republicans are right, this feels good.") The "running America like a business" was interesting, too, I liked how people from the worst 3 states (that took in far more federal funds than it paid in taxes) and made them compete with the loser "getting the recommendation to be fired by Romney." (When it gets to 20 minutes, I think where 2 women thank a Hooters waitress for providing a safe place after getting kicked out of Woman Up that it ends, so don't bother sitting through the commercials as little more than credits follow.)

I'd say that ep is just one example why people who primarily got their news from the Daily Show (which is actually more of a snarky commentary on it, and he blasts Obama in other episodes, too) are tested as more informed than those who get most of their infotainment from FOX (and also MSNBC and CNN, too).

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posted September 01, 2012 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why Clint Eastwood’s speech worked
09/01/2012
Jim Huffman

Clint Eastwood’s speech to the Republican National Convention has been panned as badly delivered and condemned as disrespectful. But it drew some of the most enthusiastic response of any speech at the three-day event.

Why is that? Are Republicans a bunch of disrespectful yahoos lacking in appreciation for rhetorical skills? No. Their response counters the critics and demonstrates that there is more than one way to deliver a message. My hunch is that a whole lot of people across the political spectrum were both humored and inspired by the iconic actor’s words.

Of course, the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN were in high dudgeon in their disapproval. As, no doubt, were most hard-core Obama supporters, at least after learning from the high priests of liberalism that they were supposed to be offended. After all, Eastwood said neither Mitt Romney nor he could do IT to themselves. Apparently the super-sensitive Rachel and Wolf have never heard a conversation among today’s youth, or even the youth of their own generation. Sometimes, particularly in today’s politics, you have to be a little outrageous to get anyone’s attention. Certainly Clint got their attention.

I suppose it is surprising that the campaign consultants and party poobahs allowed Eastwood to speak without an authorized script. But then, Eastwood is Eastwood. Who’s going to tell the make-my-day guy what to say? And thank goodness he was allowed to be himself, though it’s doubtful he would have spoken otherwise. No sanitized, synthesized, authorized script would have been anywhere near as effective.

What media critics heard as unprepared, bumbling and rambling prattle, millions of Americans heard as an expression of their frustration with nearly four years of economic lethargy and political divisiveness. What the naysayers heard as disrespect of the president, millions of Americans heard as a challenge to a leader often disrespectful of those who disagree with him. People do not soon forget when told that they cling to their guns and their religion, and that they have not built the businesses in which they have invested life and treasure.

A carefully vetted speech read from a teleprompter like most of the convention speeches would have been lost in the mists of endless and predictable words meant to inspire without offending, and without committing anyone to anything. Eastwood said what was on his mind. We need more of that in American politics — more honest debate and less pandering — more communication and less obfuscation.

Eastwood was not speaking to the Republican base or to independents, or to moderate Democrats. He was speaking to anyone willing to listen. Some who listened took offense. But my guess is that most who listened found themselves nodding in agreement and smiling at the jokes, even if off color.

Eastwood said what he thought and what a lot of other people are thinking. We own this country. Those we elect to public office work for us. If they don’t do their job, we fire them. Pretty basic stuff that most people, in most walks of life, understand. And, oh yes, there are even people in Hollywood who think it’s time to fire the guy at the top. A simple message, simply and effectively delivered.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/01/why-clint-eastwoods-speech-worked/

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posted September 02, 2012 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Clint loves this country, in a heartfelt way. That was the most obvious part, to me.

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posted September 02, 2012 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"My hunch" is that the people your guy is writing about were seen as legitimate in their critique of Eastwood, and if they weren't there would be no such need for response or bolstering. And "my guess" is that most people didn't even see it first hand, but only paid attention after the fact after hearing about the spectacle.

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If they don’t do their job, we fire them. Pretty basic stuff that most people, in most walks of life, understand.

Indeed, we do. Where was Clint during the Bush years?

The last President he apparently liked was Truman: http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_v8dj05tt/

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posted September 02, 2012 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Truman was awesome!! We need some of those kind of guys, today-- a seemingly, lost breed.

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posted September 02, 2012 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is that "MOST" people wouldn't give Rachel Maddow the time of day, wouldn't agree with her on much of anything at all...nor would they agree with the opinions expressed at MSNBC or watch the Loony-Tunes leftists posing as "journalists" at MSNBC. In fact, "MOST" Americans don't watch MSNBC and wouldn't watch MSNBC. Only a few do.

Funny, I don't recall any of these now perpetually offended types being offended when their fellow leftists were dressing Bush up in Hitler Uniforms and Satan suits or drawing cartoons of Bush in a dunce cap.

Oh, and Bush has a higher IQ than their flavor of the day..at that time..John Traitor Kerry.

Strange huh how they're soooo offended when their little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber gets his turn in the barrel. Which has been my point about leftists for a very long time.

The hypocrisy coming off leftists is so thick it could be cut with a knife. Their outrage is phony and not to be believed for a second because if it's real, then they need to be institutionalized...quick..as being totally divorced from reality.

Pleeeeease, disrespectful to the president? Hahahahaha. There has never been a more disrespectful president in US history..to American citizens, to the United States of America and to American ideals and values.

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posted September 02, 2012 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Truman faced many challenges in domestic affairs. The disorderly postwar reconversion of the economy of the United States was marked by severe shortages, numerous strikes, and the passage of the Taft–Hartley Act over his veto. He confounded all predictions to win election in 1948, helped by his famous Whistle Stop Tour of rural America. After his election, he passed only one of the proposals in his liberal Fair Deal program. He used executive orders to end racial discrimination in the armed forces and created loyalty checks that dismissed thousands of alleged communist supporters from office.

Truman's presidency was also eventful in foreign affairs, with the defeat of Nazi Germany and his decision to use nuclear weapons against Japan, the founding of the United Nations, the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe, the Truman Doctrine to contain communism, the beginning of the Cold War, the Berlin Airlift, the creation of NATO, the Chinese Civil War, and the Korean War. Corruption in Truman's administration, which was linked to certain members in the cabinet and senior White House staff, was a central issue in the 1952 presidential campaign and helped cause Adlai Stevenson, Truman's successor for the Democratic nomination for the presidency, to lose to Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower in the 1952 presidential election. Popular and scholarly assessments of his presidency were initially negative, but eventually became more positive after his retirement from politics. Truman's legendary upset victory in 1948 over Thomas E. Dewey is routinely invoked by underdog presidential candidates.

no one thought truman would win in '48. he was much criticized and much hated. as in obama's presidency, foreign events were HUGE during his terms and the way he dealt with them was not always appreciated by the "people".

truman was perhaps less liberal than roosevelt, but he was a liberal all the same. he used executive order to do what was later furthered by congress in respect of segregation and discrimination against non-whites.

people tend to ignore the fact that eastwood is also pretty liberal - in some ways...the fact he mentioned conservatives in hollywood doesn't change the fact that he supported gray davis and is a keen environmentalist.

i believe he used the convention platform to address obama as much as the republicans. he is not really a party animal at all.

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posted September 02, 2012 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strange huh how they're soooo offended when their little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber gets his turn in the barrel. Which has been my point about leftists for a very long time.

The hypocrisy coming off leftists is so thick it could be cut with a knife. Their outrage is phony and not to be believed for a second because if it's real, then they need to be institutionalized...quick..as being totally divorced from reality.

since you have stated your MO is a direct copy of the leftists you claim to despise, jwhop, the above is a bigger piece of hypocrisy than what you're complaining about.

saying you despise them and then IMITATING them (the highest form of flattery, remember?) is ludicrous.

why not try your own tack, instead of continuing the abuses you claim to abhor?

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posted September 02, 2012 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It cracks me up every time I see the Opening thread from AG with the name O'Bomber

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A video mash-up of speakers from last week's Republican National Convention does not include an appearance from the " mystery RNC speaker," Clint Eastwood.

The two-and-a-half minute video posted today to the Romney campaign's YouTube account features former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, VP nominee Paul Ryan and of course, Romney himself, but it leaves out Eastwood's controversial speech .

**I love Newts ending statement tho

"I think in the long run it's almost irrelevant. But it's the sort of bump that gives everything something to tweet about, and it provides lots of fodder," Gingrich said. "On the other hand, if you're Mitt Romney and your choice is to have Saturday Night Live decide to pick on Clint Eastwood or pick on you, I think- I think I'd give them Clint Eastwood for every night for the rest of the campaign."
http://news.yahoo.com/clint-eastwood-gets-cut-romney-rnc-video-203935058--abc-news-politics.html

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posted September 02, 2012 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah, that's right katatonic. After the Bush in Hitler uniforms, after Bush in Satan suits, after Bush in dunce caps and after warning leftists here to stick to Bush policies with which they disagreed..several times, THEN katatonic I started a campaign of deliberate inflammatory rhetoric to highlight the flaws in leftist icons. You've never heard such whining, moaning, wheezing and shrieking.

The only difference is that leftists lied through their teeth about Bush but I don't have to lie about the leftist boobs I choose to comment on here and most certainly not about the little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber. He's everything I say he is and more...a hell of a lot more and I doubt the whole truth about O'Bomber will ever fully known.

So yeah katatonic, it's intentional, it's deliberate, it's purposeful and it's going to continue. Leftists shouldn't start something they can't finish and they sure as hell can't say they weren't warned.

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posted September 02, 2012 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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yeah, that's right katatonic. After the Bush in Hitler uniforms, after Bush in Satan suits, after Bush in dunce caps and after warning leftists here to stick to Bush policies with which they disagreed..several times, THEN katatonic I started a campaign of deliberate inflammatory rhetoric to highlight the flaws in leftist icons. You've never heard such whining, moaning, wheezing and shrieking.

The only difference is that leftists lied through their teeth about Bush but I don't have to lie about the leftist boobs I choose to comment on here and most certainly not about the little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber. He's everything I say he is and more...a hell of a lot more and I doubt the whole truth about O'Bomber will ever fully known.

So yeah katatonic, it's intentional, it's deliberate, it's purposeful and it's going to continue. Leftists shouldn't start something they can't finish and they sure as hell can't say they weren't warned.


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posted September 02, 2012 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also find it strange that the king of irony wants to talk hypocrisy. And I think that's a bit of revisionist history with regard to supposedly having warned people about sticking to Bush's policy. Long before anyone was putting up weird pictures of Bush here, Jwhop had already come to be booted off one site, and known to be rude on this one. He always hopes for short memories when attempting to malign people.

Juni, Newt and Clint are both Geminis. He's probably right about offering up Clint.

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posted September 03, 2012 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini`s are getting their day in the sun lately.

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