posted September 13, 2012 08:56 AM            

It is not about freedom of speech. It is not about being a leftist. It is about the instigator , his ego and the karma involved. He is feeding the hatred and the radicals are sucking it up. By portraying his film as such, he is reaching out to a particular group and it isn`t Americans for freedom of speech or moderate Muslims. It is only to incite the radicals.

posted September 13, 2012 09:04 AM            

@Juni: You said it, I am proud of you.

Dear JWH,
Before accusing me of being illiberal, do introspect. Do apply the same yardstick of freedom of speech you give to Terry Jones [I am sure you disagree with his views] and apply it to say Bradley Manning or some hacker.

Lets say a hacker releases a file disclosing satellite images of geographical regions with a voice over explaining the biodiversity, which incidentally show US troop positions in an enemy land. This can lead to the deaths of those soldiers. What the hacker does would be a malicious act but he can claim first amendment rights, that he is merely explaining data of an area as a right to express freely, and that it is not his fault that some troops are there. Would it be wrong for the Government to block his files and to thus stop his right to free speech in this case?

Knowing that a bunch of murderers are waiting gleefully for an excuse to kill Americans in a new ally country, how can you support first Amendment Rights of one country for a deranged individual to provoke people in another country [where these laws do not exist] and enable barbarians to kill your own countrymen?

See, if Terry Jones and the fake producer [who is not Israeli, who did not get Jewish funding, and cheated the crew of the offensive movie and is going to be sued btw by the cast and crew, and hopefully by the Jewish Community too for defamation] were genuine, they should have exercised the right to free speech only in USA where they have this right. They should have released the movie in any medium which can be seen only in USA or in any country which supports lying and insulting other communities also as a free speech [USA does not support lying as free speech, else there wont be any Libel Case or Perjury Cases]. Releasing it in Youtube without approval of authorities in Islamic Countries is definitely a trigger for the murder of the innocent Americans, and I am sure that Terry would be sentenced if a suit is filed.

I have 100% faith in the US Judicial System when American Citizens are unfairly killed.

And this man will get thousands of more Americans killed if he does not understand Free Speech and International Law regarding Free Speech.

When we Moderate Liberal Muslims are rallying to seek, identify and trap Radical Jihadis, we can do without liars misusing Free Speech Rights [ which were given to express the Truth without fear ] and we can do without false labels of being illiberal just for asking for justice for murdered innocents.
I believe even a US General asked Terry to pipe down, I don't know what action he will take now, knowing that innocents have died.

posted September 13, 2012 09:13 AM            

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The move "will give the administration flexibility" in case the administration orders action against targets inside Libya, one senior official said. The McFaul was making a port call on Mediterranean island of Crete, while the Laboon was outside Gibraltar, a few days away from Libya.

Libya's leaders apologized for the attack, with Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib calling it a "cowardly, criminal act." And Obama said that despite the inflammatory movie, the violence was unwarranted.

"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others," he said. "But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence -- none."

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I`m certainly not an Obama voter/supporter but I think he was quite clear here. I don`t see it as an apology. Of course, we each may interpret it differently and how we do,will result in keeping any unrest against the quote going or unite a sad and weary U.S.A.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-09-12/africa/world_africa_libya-us-ambassador-killed_1_benghazi-ali-suleiman-aujali-libyan-ambassador

posted September 13, 2012 09:30 AM            

I see you as someone who is strong, but humble. I see Randall the same way. You have been role models for me.

posted September 13, 2012 09:56 AM            

I don't hear anyone here caterwauling about hurting religious feelings when hate filled Muslim clerics shout from the rooftops and teach in Muslim schools that Jews are the descendants of apes, pigs, and other animals.

And, something else I don't see is those same Jews storming those Mosques, hanging those clerics, blowing up their Mosques with their followers inside or attacking Muslim Embassies around the world and killing their Ambassadors because some Muslim cleric somewhere in the world insulted them and hurt their feelings.

Oh, one other thing. The nation of Israel has the military power to do the very thing I said they refrain from doing.

In the meantime, our little Marxist appeaser's administration issues an apology from Cairo for the free exercise of speech in America AND gets the sovereignty of the United States violated anyway..in Egypt and Libya, the US Ambassador killed and several other US citizens. And today, protests by Muslim radical mobs in several other nations as well.

This is just an excuse. This is a coordinated, orchestrated attack brought on by the appeaser mentality of a prez who is seen as weak by those in the middle east who believe there will be no price to pay.

It's the end result of a president running around the world apologizing for America to everyone who will stand still long enough for him to get his apology for America out of his mouth.

Listen IQ, don't attempt to compare this to Bradley Manning. Don't even attempt to go there. Manning violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice as well as passing classified information to Julian Assange.

That's no more covered by the free speech provisions of the 1st Amendment than printing technical drawings of the latest generation US nuclear devices in the pages of the NY Times would be.

So, knock off the horseshiiit.

posted September 13, 2012 10:51 AM            

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It's immaterial why he's doing it. In America he has the perfect right to DO IT and is within the scope of the 1st Amendment when he does do it.

I don't hear anyone here caterwauling about hurting religious feelings when hate filled Muslim clerics shout from the rooftops and teach in Muslim schools that Jews are the descendants of apes, pigs, and other animals.

And, something else I don't see is those same Jews storming those Mosques, hanging those clerics, blowing up their Mosques with their followers inside or attacking Muslim Embassies around the world and killing their Ambassadors because some Muslim cleric somewhere in the world insulted them and hurt their feelings.

Oh, one other thing. The nation of Israel has the military power to do the very thing I said they refrain from doing.

In the meantime, our little Marxist appeaser's administration issues an apology from Cairo for the free exercise of speech in America AND gets the sovereignty of the United States violated anyway..in Egypt and Libya, the US Ambassador killed and several other US citizens. And today, protests by Muslim radical mobs in several other nations as well.

This is just an excuse. This is a coordinated, orchestrated attack brought on by the appeaser mentality of a prez who is seen as weak by those in the middle east who believe there will be no price to pay.

It's the end result of a president running around the world apologizing for America to everyone who will stand still long enough for him to get his apology for America out of his mouth.

Listen IQ, don't attempt to compare this to Bradley Manning. Don't even attempt to go there. Manning violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice as well as passing classified information to Julian Assange.

That's no more covered by the free speech provisions of the 1st Amendment than printing technical drawings of the latest generation US nuclear devices in the pages of the NY Times would be.

So, knock off the horseshiiit.

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posted September 13, 2012 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
And another Embassy attack--this time in Yemen. That's akin to an attack on American soil, and it should be dealt with as such.

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Yes, bullies need retaliation!

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posted September 13, 2012 01:25 PM            

no apology was made, but a statement of disagreement with those who want to stir up hatred to an even higher pitch.

free speech is free speech, whether muslim, wikileaks or terry jones, jwhop, whoever. but those who shout FIRE in a crowded building are not practicing free speech but chaos and fearmongering. there are laws against this and rightfully so.

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posted September 13, 2012 02:02 PM            

you may consider it naive but so were the wright bros, columbus, all the people who have broadened our world and made it more gratifying to live in.

posted September 13, 2012 02:03 PM            

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Many of you have naive about this. IQ, as much as I love you, I think you are naive on this. Look at the beheading video. You can Google it.

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No one, absolutely no one, is being naive about the radical factions of Islam. All here have said it is deplorable and unconscionable .

We all know about Nick Berg and David Pearl as well so many more atrociousities committed by these thugs . It lays heavy on the heart and spirit but to condem an entire religion based on their abominable actions is unthinkable too .

My heart and prayers go out to the slain victims friends, families and to this Countries angst in this loss and for what lies ahead.

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posted September 13, 2012 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This tragedy had been planned. It was not a result of the movie. That is the ruse being used to whip up the mobs. What a mess it all is.

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If that is true, then the movie producer was in cahoots with the murders. All timed to coincide with 9/11.

It was by radicals and not by any goverments permission.

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posted September 13, 2012 02:28 PM            

Only when outrage is created can the US Establishment be convinced into more systematic attacks on terrorists.

This directly increases aid to ISI so that Pakistan can sustain a proxy war against India, create handlers across the Salafi Diaspora, preach more hatred against innocent white skinned folk.

That is right. With every outrage inspired attack on one terrorist group, a hydra like formation occurs wherein more terrorists are born. These people run on adrenalin, never use their head and can be brainwashed with fake videos and CDs to carry out suicide attacks in probably a few hours of indoctrination. The handlers never die, they visit Air Conditioned offices in Pentagon to get more defense aid.

Dead people from videos of earthquakes are used to morph into videos with US Troops. Must have learned "Free Speech techniques" in JWH school of 1st Amendment. But we Indians cannot ban those Cds can we? Free speech and all. So these doctored lies are fed through Mobile Phones, Email etc to millions of linked Muslim households.

As I said, 1% of the Muslim Population is heavily influenced by Radical views. The rich people here will fund radicals and the unemployed radicals see these deceptive videos and get emotional, needing to vent their frustration and project their own inner hatred, they are signed up by ISI Cells to attack any perceived enemy.

Today it is US Embassies, tomorrow it can be British, French. India is suffering for more than a decade, and pretty soon with sufficient "Free Speech" videos sent into the ISI Mailboxes from Florida, these barbarians can be moulded to attack any white skinned person, even a Russian Muslim!

These brainwashed people have no fear of death and have nothing to lose.

Defeating them is a slow, long process which starts by giving them an alternate option of existence, something to look forward to.

Hollywood has a role, US State Department has a role and US Economists have a role.

Funding has to be cut for Pakistan.

Humanitarian Aid should be in kind, not cash.

Monitor hate speech data [It can be done, the infrastructure is in place to capture terrorist attack messages and the same software can be tweaked to capture hate speech propaganda] and prevent it from being uploaded in networks accessible by Islamic Countries.

When the Oxygen is cut, the beast will have to come outside to breath, and that is when it has to be struck with alternate carrots and sticks. Carrot of employment, sticks of imprisonment.

They know death, no surprise. They do not know humane treatment in a prison.

Gitmo and Abu Ghraib? Bad ideas. Humane Treatment with a "re-education" or even positive brainwashing will work. The minds are pliable, when detoxed away from Radical Handlers, they become assets. It may take 7-10 or 15 years of imprisonment but it is the only way.

Shortcuts will give only a mirage of success. But the sad reality is that there are now 10-15000 extra youth willing to become suicide bombers in Iraq, Afghan and now Libya. Do not how many will be recruited from Egypt and Pakistan.

The entire Neocon and PNAC policy has taken America a few decades back in the war on terror. Obama's inexperience in these matters did not help, and Romney's incompetence here will be worse than any error of omission or commission on the part of team Obama, who are just happy that Osama is dead.

The right action has to come from American Public than from just bureaucrats.

Reach out, reach out to each and every Moderate Muslim you can find.

They are your eyes, ears and heart on opposing soil.

One to one contact and spreading positive messages using the same tools that were used to spread hatred, now that will work.

I once devised a system of "each one teach five" to take education from graduates to underprivileged sections in their villages.

A similar "anti-Hydra" System of positive Contact will also work.

Each American on FB, add 5 Moderate Muslims to your friend list.

Demystify your existence to them. These 5 people will talk personally to their families, and the positivity spreads.

That 1% Radical will be nipped in the bud when he hears the real truth about American Masses, from people who are family, from people he trusts. This kid wont fall prey to ISI handlers.

Every Muslim hand that is held with affection, in friendship, will be prevented from ever reaching for a trigger.

Know this. The American heart holds more wisdom than the poison than an Ann Coulter type or a Terry Jones type spews to lead your next generation to global isolation.

Each one, hold 5 new Muslim hands through social networks, as a start. This has never been tried, and in exasperating situations, only Out of The Box solutions will work.

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posted September 13, 2012 02:31 PM            

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posted September 13, 2012 02:31 PM            

Hopefully this forum can pull together and keep the victims in mind and and work toward how we can move forward without creating more grief and destruction.

In our own lives and for the betterment of humanity. There are no easy answers and it is going to take powerful minds and hearts to create order out of this chaos we feel.

It is safe to say we all are shocked and sickened by these senseless murders.

posted September 13, 2012 02:47 PM            

It will reach it's natural escalation which will not be good, but that is Bible Prophecy.

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posted September 13, 2012 02:55 PM            

And Katatonic, the statement issued from our Cairo Embassy was a straight apology for American citizen's free speech rights. Too damned bad.

For all the good O'Bomber apologizing around the world for America has done.

But at least we now know why there wasn't any gunfire when the mob infringed on the sovereign territory of the US, burned our flag and hoisted the al-Queda flag.

Our little Marxist appeaser president put the lives of our Marines and embassy staff at risk by ordering our Marines to stand guard over our embassies with unloaded weapons. Come kill us all.

posted September 13, 2012 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Hey, quit with the Muslim propaganda. It's a hell of a lot more than 1% of Muslims.

And Katatonic, the statement issued from our Cairo Embassy was a straight apology for American citizen's free speech rights. Too damned bad.

For all the good O'Bomber apologizing around the world for America has done.

But at least we now know why there wasn't any gunfire when the mob infringed on the sovereign territory of the US, burned our flag and hoisted the al-Queda flag.

Our little Marxist appeaser president put the lives of our Marines and embassy staff at risk by ordering our Marines to stand guard over our embassies with unloaded weapons. Come kill us all.

This disgusting, contemptible little jerk and sorry excuse for a president of the United States and commander in chief has to go and I mean immediately if not sooner.

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Bless someone who will tell the friggin TRUTH

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