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Topic: US Ambassador Murdered, Embassy Invaded-O'Bomber Admin Apologizes
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 4912 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 13, 2012 03:14 PM
jwhop, quote: Marines to stand guard over our embassies with unloaded weapons.
I looked for an article saying their weapons were unloaded as I didn`t know that. What I found came from wiki; quote: In the past, military and police faced with undesirable escalation of conflict had few acceptable options. Military personnel guarding embassies often found themselves restricted to carrying unloaded weapons. National guards or policing forces charged with quelling riots were able to use only batons or similar club-like weapons, or bayonet or saber charges, or fire live ammunition at crowds. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the Non-lethality Policy Review Group at U.S. Global Strategy Council in Washington and other independent think tanks around the world called for a concerted effort to develop weapons that were more life-conserving, environmentally friendly, and fiscally responsible than weapons available at that time.
Is this what you are refering to re unloaded weapons? Is it certain the Marines in this case were unloaded? Perhaps my news is late or wrong but I heard it happened away from the Marines ability to provide protection. ------------------ We dance around the ring and suppose, but the secret sits in the middle and Knows Robert Frost IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8921 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 13, 2012 03:25 PM
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12973989-the-smirk-that-tells-a-thousand-words-romneys-expression-after-slamming-obama-for-killings-in-libya this is the sort of reprehensible pose that only adds fuel to the fire. obama has not apologized, though he HAS acknowledged that other countries have the same sovereign rights that we do, and the people in them. criminal...not. anyone else seen the protesters AGAINST the thugs by those who live there? THAT is what must be cultivated if we are ever going to stop annihilating each other. NOT the i'm not a bully because you started it stance of some around here and romney, palin, other egocentric/yankee-centric voices who are rightly being slammed by their colleagues just about now. an eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind. some seem to be so already. i don't advocate lying down for abuse or murder nor do i condone the endless war that will never eradicate all the radicals because it just feeds more radicalism. it was naive to write the dec of independence, naive to think the yanks could beat england, and naive to think the constitution could be the foundation for a country. they all worked. what won't work is blowing up the middle east. israel is right in the center and will be taken out too, for those who consider this the most important part of this problem. wake up? try growing up. and growing a pair, the kind that may carry a big stick but uses it only as a last resort. dirty harry was a movie. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37067 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 13, 2012 03:58 PM
There is no fuel to the fire with THESE people, Kat. The fire is raging. People like you( and OBomber) think you can appease these people, but you see what OBomber got with his appeasement.You don't understand radical Islam. You should study it, as I could have predicted all of this. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6692 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 13, 2012 04:57 PM
See my thread for info about supposed unarmed Marines. He wasn't protected by Marines (as Juni correctly cited), and the only unarmed Marines protecting an embassy were 700 miles away. Those Marines were reportedly unarmed by the Ambassador there, though the reporting via blog was unable to be found by the Time staff. http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/whats-worse-no-marines-or-possibly-unarmed-marines/ There is a lot of information out there about the attacks, and people should probably get their information out there rather than here where things get distorted. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37067 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 13, 2012 05:19 PM
This man went with all "good intentions" and let me bring you democracy and treat you with "love", "respect" and "understanding" What did he get?That is the moral of the story, Friends! ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5930 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 13, 2012 05:33 PM
Oh really. Well, if I were you...any of you, I wouldn't believe much of what I hear coming out of this administration and especially when it makes O'Bomber look like the total dunce he his.This is the report of Marines with unloaded weapons at the Cairo Embassy. And just so there's no confusion on the part of the usual suspects..."not carrying live ammo MEANS UNLOADED WEAPONS." The report comes from the US National Security Newsletter "Nightwatch". Further, if anyone thinks US military personnel do not talk among themselves...including US Marines, I've got a hot flash for you. Marines have their own blog(s) and this disarmament got out damned fast when the shiiit hit the fan in Cairo and Libya. Report: Marines Guarding U.S. Embassy in Cairo Were Barred From Carrying Live Ammo September 13, 2012 Madeleine Morgenstern Marines guarding the U.S. Embassy in Cairo were reportedly barred from carrying live ammunition and therefore ill-equipped to defend it from attack earlier this week, according to the U.S. national security newsletter NightWatch: “[U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.” The State Department did not immediately return a request for comment from TheBlaze about the NightWatch report Thursday afternoon. Time magazine’s Battleland blog reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi.” Egyptian protesters on Tuesday scaled the wall of the U.S. Embassy and brought down the U.S. flag, replacing it with a black Islamist flag that stated: “There is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God.” The protest was blamed on an anti-Islam film deemed offensive to the prophet Muhammad. A similar mob attack broke out at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, culminating in the death of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other American diplomatic personnel. Reports have since circulated that the Libyan attack was planned in advance and timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-marines-guarding-u-s-embassy-in-cairo-were-barred-from-carrying-live-ammo/ IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6692 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 13, 2012 05:57 PM
You're not saying anything new, Jwhop. And you're attempting to disagree with me by posting things that say what my post already said.Furthermore, U.S. Ambassadors are the ones to make the calls on whether their security detail carries live ammo (not Obama). In Egypt, where that order was in place, no Americans were killed. Obama for his part sent in armed troops. The USMC blogs that report that they're not carrying ammunition have yet to be found, and publishing this information under the assumption of accuracy just invites an attack on them, doesn't it? I wouldn't think a "National Security Newsletter" would be so irresponsible as to put these soldiers closer to harm's way. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5930 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 13, 2012 09:59 PM
There are other reports which say there was up to 48 hours notice the US Embassy in Libya was going to be attacked...O'Bomber knew or sure as hell should have known...yet, O'Bomber did nothing to beef up security there...and on the 9/11 anniversery yet.So big deal, after the attacks, after the US Ambassador is killed and 3 other Embassy staff killed...then O'Bomber finally decides to beef up security. Wow, classic too little and too late. Oh, the buck for national security, for foreign policy, for domestic policy, for Embassy security...all of which are Executive Branch responsibility...stops at O'Bomber's desk. And as Commander in Chief, nobody and I mean nobody sends US Marines out to defend US sovereign territory disarmed EXCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...and that nobody includes the US Ambassador who doesn't have that authority over US military forces. US Marines have their own chain of command and the US Ambassador from the US State Department IS NOT IN THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND. So, stop trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5930 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 08:57 AM
Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing' Kim Sengupta Friday 14 September 2012.....According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted..... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html So how about this. A little less O'Bomber golf. A little less O'Bomber campaigning. Fewer softball campaign interviews with your buds like "Pimp the Limp" and the Hollywood crowd AND, A HELL OF A LOT MORE TIME SPENT DOING YOUR JOB O'BOMBER. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37067 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 14, 2012 09:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: There are other reports which say there was up to 48 hours notice the US Embassy in Libya was going to be attacked...O'Bomber knew or sure as hell should have known...yet, O'Bomber did nothing to beef up security there...and on the 9/11 anniversery yet.So big deal, after the attacks, after the US Ambassador is killed and 3 other Embassy staff killed...then O'Bomber finally decides to beef up security. Wow, classic too little and too late. Oh, the buck for national security, for foreign policy, for domestic policy, for Embassy security...all of which are Executive Branch responsibility...stops at O'Bomber's desk. And as Commander in Chief, nobody and I mean nobody sends US Marines out to defend US sovereign territory disarmed EXCEPT THE PRESIDNET OF THE UNITED STATES...and that nobody includes the US Ambassador who doesn't have that authority over US military forces. US Marines have their own chain of command and the US Ambassador from the US State Department IS NOT IN THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND. So, stop trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass.
Yes, about the smoke
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YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3880 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted September 14, 2012 11:38 AM
I don't much care about the politics. An Ambassador is dead. That's all I care, regardless of his affiliation. What I do care is that it's time for some Browning 50 cals at the gates of these embassies, and Gatlings on the roof. High risk embassies shouldn't be protected by Marines. They should have MARSOC, or even better DEVGRU or SFOD-D. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 8921 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 12:23 PM
ami i have at NO TIME recommended appeasing the radicals. you continue to deliberately misinterpret my suggestion that MODERATE MUSLIMS can be persuaded to help us put these people down.once again, when we nuke iran, which in turn leads to nuking the rest of the arab nations, what will be left of israel? ZIP, my dear. israel is a tiny little piece right in the middle of the area. you can't nuke the first lot without destroying the other. anyone here been dreaming of going to japan since fukishima? no? whyever not? as to the minutiae of what happened and who said what, the only purpose it serves now is to make yourselves feel superior. were romney president israel, along with the rest of the middle east, would be cinders, but there are still ENOUGH RADICALS in the REST OF THE WORLD to keep the battle going. shall we just destroy the earth and head for mars? digging in one's heels and preemptive decimation of our enemies will leave us nowhere to hide. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6692 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 12:44 PM
Jwhop, did you spend ANY time reading the article you posted?First of all, the article doesn't say that the target was specified. Second, the article says: According to security sources the consulate had been given a "health check" in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. That suggests both that embassies were warned, and that steps were taken to ensure security. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37067 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 14, 2012 02:13 PM
Israel can NEVER be destroyed. The Jews can never be destroyed, although many wish this was not the case. The Bible says it is impossible.------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5930 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 02:44 PM
What crap, there were no security forces in place. In Cairo, the Marines were disarmed. In Libya, security was turned over to Libya.With 48 hours or more warning and especially on the anniversay of 9/11, security was not beefed up at Embassies in the Middle East or Consulates either. Embassy personnel were not even notified there were threats of attacks. Nice try to cover O'Bomber and Hillary's as$s but it's not going to fly. Egypt intelligence warns of attacks on Israel, US embassies JPOST.COM STAFF 09/11/2012 Egypt's General Intelligence Service warned that a jihadi group is planning to launch terrorist attacks against the US and Israeli embassies in Cairo, according to a report Tuesday by Egypt Independent, citing a secret letter obtained by Al-Masry Al-Youm. According to the report, the attack is being planned by Global Jihad, the group suspected of killing 16 Egyptian border guards in Sinai on August 5. Al-Masry Al-Youm reportedly obtained a copy of the September 4 letter, sent to all Egyptian security sectors, warning that Sinai- and Gaza-based Global Jihad cells were planning attacks on the two embassies. Egypt's military is engaged in an ongoing campaign to root out Sinai-based terrorists. http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=284684 IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37067 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 14, 2012 02:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: What crap, there were no security forces in place. In Cairo, the Marines were disarmed. In Libya, security was turned over to Libya.With 48 hours or more warning and especially on the anniversay of 9/11, security was not beefed up at Embassies in the Middle East or Consulates either. Embassy personnel were not even notified there were threats of attacks. Nice try to cover O'Bomber and Hillary's as$s but it's not going to fly. [b]Egypt intelligence warns of attacks on Israel, US embassies JPOST.COM STAFF 09/11/2012 Egypt's General Intelligence Service warned that a jihadi group is planning to launch terrorist attacks against the US and Israeli embassies in Cairo, according to a report Tuesday by Egypt Independent, citing a secret letter obtained by Al-Masry Al-Youm. According to the report, the attack is being planned by Global Jihad, the group suspected of killing 16 Egyptian border guards in Sinai on August 5. Al-Masry Al-Youm reportedly obtained a copy of the September 4 letter, sent to all Egyptian security sectors, warning that Sinai- and Gaza-based Global Jihad cells were planning attacks on the two embassies. Egypt's military is engaged in an ongoing campaign to root out Sinai-based terrorists. http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=284684 [/B]
There is such BULL. You would think people would be choking on it.
In the last days, people will "call good evil and evil good" If that is not the case in this current climate, I don't know what is ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
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YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3880 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted September 14, 2012 03:36 PM
There is no doubt that the two security contractors killed in Libya along with the Ambassador were from Xe (fka Blackwater). Where was the QRF?IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 4912 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 06:45 PM
A general comment. There are so many rumors, assumptions and blatant lies floating around the internet. It seems wise to wait for an official timeline, persons present and forensics to get to the events as they happened. Not how we would like to think it happened.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 6692 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 06:46 PM
At least YTA can be objective about it. Yes, there were security forces in place in Libya, and reportedly many ran when they saw the onslaught coming. It was reported that they, too, were offended by that anti-muslim film, and thought it better to get out of the way than to die for Americans. quote: With 48 hours or more warning and especially on the anniversay of 9/11, security was not beefed up at Embassies in the Middle East or Consulates either.
There's no basis for this statement. It's STILL false. quote: Nice try to cover O'Bomber and Hillary's as$s but it's not going to fly.
I'm not "trying" to do anything except represent the truth correctly, which is a far cry from what you've done here. If you need a break down of what occured, here's an article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-romney-campaigns-repeated-errors-on-the-cairo-embassy-statement/2012/09/13/978a6be6-fdf0-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_blog.html Posting about an attack at the Egyptian embassy where no Americans were killed doesn't really support the picture you're trying to create. The U.S. Embassy in Cairo was warned there could be trouble, official says By Suzanne Kelly, CNN updated 1:22 PM EDT, Fri September 14, 2012 (CNN) -- Concerned about the reaction to an anti-Muslim film that was gaining attention online, the U.S. intelligence community sent a cable to the embassy in Cairo, Egypt, warning of the concern, a U.S. official told CNN. The intelligence cable was sent 48 hours before the protests in Cairo and in Benghazi, Libya, the U.S. official said. The cable did not warn of any specific threat, the official said. It warned instead about the existence of a portion of the movie being posted on the Internet and the fact that it was gaining attention. A seven-minute portion of the movie aired on an Egyptian TV talk show, according to a Department of Homeland Security/FBI memo obtained by CNN on Thursday. The cable was not sent to the embassy in Tripoli, Libya, or the consulate in Benghazi, where protests over the film ended in a deadly attack. U.S. officials have said there was no intelligence ahead of the attack in Benghazi, which intelligence officials still believe was not planned. The White House spokesman, Jay Carney, said Friday there was no "actionable intelligence" indicating an attack was being planned. There are hundreds if not thousands of cables sent each day, the official said, and there was no specific threat attached to this one, because a specific threat was not known. http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/world/meast/embassy-attacks-memo/index.html IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5930 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 07:56 PM
Jay Carney was shoved out in front of the press to be the sacrificial goat by O'Bomber.No one said there was a SPECIFIC THREAT that a SPECIFIC EMBASSY was going to be attacked. What bullshiit. There were no Marine forces or other US security forces protecting the US Ambassador and Embassy staff at all. Libya is and has been utter chaos and there were threat warnings. In Cairo, Marines were essentially stood down, unarmed..unloaded weapons. O'Bomber is a total dunce. On the anniversary of 9/11 and with warnings of attacks of US Embassies, O'Bomber sat on his thumb. I don't give a rat's ass what all the ass covering O'Bomberites are saying. Before the cover-up artists could throw a blanket over this scandal, a high ranking diplomatic official spilled the beans that the State Dept had received a warning 48 hours prior to the attack. Not only were the Ambassador and 3 other Embassy staff killed but documents were also stolen. Among those were a list of Libyan citizens who worked with Americans in helping overthrow Qaddafi. Guess how long those guys are going to live. It sure doesn't pay to be a friend of America with the halfwit O'Bomber and his idiot crew in charge. Just ask the Pakistani doctor who assisted the US in finding bin Laden. Report: Hillary Ignored Warnings Ben Shapiro 13 Sep 2012 Today, the Independent is reporting shocking details about the attack on the Libyan consulate that resulted in the death of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. The details are so explosive that they will result in a Congressional investigation. In fact, they’re so explosive that they should result in the resignation of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The only question now: What did Hillary Clinton know, and when did she know it? Yesterday, we reported that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was responsible under the law for the “security policies and programs that provide for the protection of all US government personnel … on official duty abroad.” Clinton herself seemed bewildered by the attacks on the Libyan consulate, asking, “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?” But according to the Independent, she had no reason to be puzzled. Quoting senior diplomatic sources, the paper reports, “the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted.” Nonetheless, “no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and ‘lockdown,’ under which movement is severely restricted.” It gets worse. According to security sources, the State Department had greenlit a “health check” at the consulate I preparation for 9/11. Nonetheless, the attackers broke the perimeter within 15 minutes of the Libyan mob forming. Local guards did nothing. One witness reported, “The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs.” According to sources, the Ambassador died from smoke inhalation after he was trapped in a building set on fire and besieged by rioters. The Libyan government, for all its supposed regret, seems less than troubled by the whole incident. Wissam Buhmeid, who commands the Tripoli government-sanctioned Shield Brigade, which operates as police in Benghazi, stated, “There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet.” Why wasn’t there better protection at the consulate? Because that’s the way Secretary of State Clinton wanted it; the State Department posted no Marines to the consulate. It was staffed instead by those Libyan “security” forces. The consulate also had “no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies.” Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL), who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, “I am asking my colleagues on the committee to immediately investigate what role al-Qa’ida or its affiliates may have played in the attack and to take appropriate action.” The story isn’t over in Libya. Violence continues. And classified documents have been stolen from the consulate, reportedly including the names of Libyans working with the Americans. Safe houses across Libya are now unsafe. Secretary of State Clinton is responsible for the security of our staff, consulates, and embassies abroad. If the Independent’s report is correct, she has violated the most basic standard of duty. Both she and her boss, President Obama, must be held responsible. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/13/Obama-Hillary-ignored-warnings-Libyan-embassy IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 5930 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2012 10:58 PM
Our little Marxist appeaser twit strikes again.Obama submits to Brotherhood, asks for suppression of anti-Islam video 09/14/2012 Neil Munro President Barack Obama has bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood’s demand that the federal government suppress a satirical video of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.
But Youtube denied the request late Sept. 14. Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council, told the Washington Post midday that the White House has “reached out to YouTube to call the video to their attention and ask them to review whether it violates their terms of use.” Youtube’s executives shut down videos that they deem “hate speech.” A YouTube spokesperson said Sept. 12 that the video “is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube,” and repeated that message late Sept. 14, so rejecting Obama’s unprecedented request. Obama’s request complied with the Sept. 13 demand and threat by the brotherhood, which now governs the Arab world’s largest country, Egypt. “Hurting the feelings of one and a half billion Muslims cannot be tolerated, and… we demand that all those involved in such crimes be urgently brought to trial,” according to an English-language statement on the brotherhood’s website. The brotherhood’s demand included a threat of additional violence during Obama’s re-election campaign. “The people’s anger and fury for their Faith is invariably predictable, often unstoppable,” said the website. Brotherhood-organized violence throughout the Middle East could deeply damage Obama’s election chances, just as similar Islamist violence in Iran sank President Jimmy Carter’s re-election effort in 1979. The brotherhood’s demands were pushed Sept. 13 by Egypt’s new Islamist president, Mohamad Morsi, a brotherhood member who Obama helped put in power. (WATCH: The anti-Muhammad video cited as cause of unrest) The video-makers “are not accepted, not by people in Egypt nor other Arab and Islamic countries, nor by their own people,” Morsi declared at a televised event in Brussels, Belgium. “I affirm that the American people reject this and I’ve called on them to declare their rejection of them, at the same time with our rejection of those bad practices that bring harm and not benefit,” he claimed to his audience in Egypt, Europe and Washington. Obama’s re-election campaign is being held hostage by Morsi, said Michael Rubin, an expert on Islamist parties at the American Enterprise Institute. In response, Obama should repeatedly declare the First Amendment bars U.S. government action against Islam’s critics, and should also threaten to cut off much-needed financial aid to Egypt, Rubin said. (EXPERT: ‘Obama is hostage to Morsi’) Obama and his aides, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, have begun to say that their hands are tied by the First Amendment, but they also continue to denounce the video as “disgusting.” The federal denunciation of the video bolsters Morsi’s effort to focus domestic unrest on America, rather than on the performance of his government. Morsi depends on aid from the United States and other Arab countries, because the country’s 82 million people are wracked by unemployment, poor education, food shortages and corruption. In contrast to Obama’s request, Gov. Mitt Romney defended the video-maker’s First Amendment rights. “The idea of using something that some people consider sacred and then parading that out a negative way is simply inappropriate and wrong… Of course, we have a First Amendment,” he said Sept. 14 during an ABC interview. “Under the First Amendment, people are allowed to do what they feel they want to do,” he said. The White House’s submission came two days after Obama told CBS that free speech “is one of the hallmarks of our Constitution that I’m sworn to uphold, and so we are always going to uphold the rights for individuals to speak their mind,” It was announced shortly after White House spokesman Jay Carney publicly disavowed any plans to curb free speech. “We cannot and will not squelch freedom of expression in this country — it is a foundational principle,” he told reporters at a 11:15 a.m. press conference in the White House. http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/14/obama-submits-to-brotherhood-asks-for-suppression-of-anti-islam-video/ IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 3880 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted September 14, 2012 11:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: There is no doubt that the two security contractors killed in Libya along with the Ambassador were from Xe (fka Blackwater). Where was the QRF?
True enough. The two security personnel were from Xe and ex-Navy SEAL senior petty officers Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. It was impossible to escape alive. They were in a moving vehicle trying to race the ambassador to safety. Small arms are useless in a jerky moving vehicle. They were all taken out by multiple rocket propelled grenades from the Soviet era. Death was certain and instant. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 4060 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2012 05:53 AM
<< Obama and his aides, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, have begun to say that their hands are tied by the First Amendment, but they also continue to denounce the video as “disgusting.” >>The First Amendment Act of US is for US Citizens and US Boundaries only. Thus, the Video should not be accessible to YouTube users from foreign IP Addresses. Nobody protested against the producer's right to show this movie in US Cinema Halls. If the First Amendment of one country as per Mitt's definition means anyone can do what they feel like doing, then organizations like NAMBLA can demand the right to show child pornography videos, satanic cults can demand the right to show blood letting rituals or snuff movies, satanists can demand the right to show videos desecrating Christianity, Neo Nazis can demand the rights to show videos desecrating Holocaust Victim's memories... the list is endless. I feel the most intelligent response for the Arab World is to ban any and every data from Youtube that is from a US/UK Server, and develop a new video sharing technology with China [China has gone miles ahead with their Alibaba Portal and will soon develop better products than Google]. This a great opportunity for Egypt to stop begging from USA and stand up on their own feet. The best protest is non-violence and non-cooperation, that is what Mahatma Gandhi used to defeat British Tyranny in India. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37067 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 15, 2012 07:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: Our little Marxist appeaser twit strikes again.[b]Obama submits to Brotherhood, asks for suppression of anti-Islam video 09/14/2012 Neil Munro President Barack Obama has bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood’s demand that the federal government suppress a satirical video of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.
But Youtube denied the request late Sept. 14. Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council, told the Washington Post midday that the White House has “reached out to YouTube to call the video to their attention and ask them to review whether it violates their terms of use.” Youtube’s executives shut down videos that they deem “hate speech.” A YouTube spokesperson said Sept. 12 that the video “is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube,” and repeated that message late Sept. 14, so rejecting Obama’s unprecedented request. Obama’s request complied with the Sept. 13 demand and threat by the brotherhood, which now governs the Arab world’s largest country, Egypt. “Hurting the feelings of one and a half billion Muslims cannot be tolerated, and… we demand that all those involved in such crimes be urgently brought to trial,” according to an English-language statement on the brotherhood’s website. The brotherhood’s demand included a threat of additional violence during Obama’s re-election campaign. “The people’s anger and fury for their Faith is invariably predictable, often unstoppable,” said the website. Brotherhood-organized violence throughout the Middle East could deeply damage Obama’s election chances, just as similar Islamist violence in Iran sank President Jimmy Carter’s re-election effort in 1979. The brotherhood’s demands were pushed Sept. 13 by Egypt’s new Islamist president, Mohamad Morsi, a brotherhood member who Obama helped put in power. (WATCH: The anti-Muhammad video cited as cause of unrest) The video-makers “are not accepted, not by people in Egypt nor other Arab and Islamic countries, nor by their own people,” Morsi declared at a televised event in Brussels, Belgium. “I affirm that the American people reject this and I’ve called on them to declare their rejection of them, at the same time with our rejection of those bad practices that bring harm and not benefit,” he claimed to his audience in Egypt, Europe and Washington. Obama’s re-election campaign is being held hostage by Morsi, said Michael Rubin, an expert on Islamist parties at the American Enterprise Institute. In response, Obama should repeatedly declare the First Amendment bars U.S. government action against Islam’s critics, and should also threaten to cut off much-needed financial aid to Egypt, Rubin said. (EXPERT: ‘Obama is hostage to Morsi’) Obama and his aides, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, have begun to say that their hands are tied by the First Amendment, but they also continue to denounce the video as “disgusting.” The federal denunciation of the video bolsters Morsi’s effort to focus domestic unrest on America, rather than on the performance of his government. Morsi depends on aid from the United States and other Arab countries, because the country’s 82 million people are wracked by unemployment, poor education, food shortages and corruption. In contrast to Obama’s request, Gov. Mitt Romney defended the video-maker’s First Amendment rights. “The idea of using something that some people consider sacred and then parading that out a negative way is simply inappropriate and wrong… Of course, we have a First Amendment,” he said Sept. 14 during an ABC interview. “Under the First Amendment, people are allowed to do what they feel they want to do,” he said. The White House’s submission came two days after Obama told CBS that free speech “is one of the hallmarks of our Constitution that I’m sworn to uphold, and so we are always going to uphold the rights for individuals to speak their mind,” It was announced shortly after White House spokesman Jay Carney publicly disavowed any plans to curb free speech. “We cannot and will not squelch freedom of expression in this country — it is a foundational principle,” he told reporters at a 11:15 a.m. press conference in the White House. http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/14/obama-submits-to-brotherhood-asks-fo r-suppression-of-anti-islam-video/ [/B]
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posted September 15, 2012 10:24 AM
"If the First Amendment of one country as per Mitt's definition means anyone can do what they feel like doing, then organizations like NAMBLA can demand the right to show child pornography videos, satanic cults can demand the right to show blood letting rituals or snuff movies, satanists can demand the right to show videos desecrating Christianity, Neo Nazis can demand the rights to show videos desecrating Holocaust Victim's memories... the list is endless."...IQAn analogy from the Twilight Zone. And also a mis-characterization of what Romney did say. Apparently you didn't take the hint IQ that there are limits on 1st Amendment rights on speech in the US. One being the transmission of classified information such as your apparent hero, the disgusting Bradley Manning transferred to the equally disgusting Julian Assange. Then of course, there are pornographic images involving children, which you now say Romney's statement opened the door for broadcast over the Internet. Twilight Zone nonsense IQ. The production, possession and transmission of child pornography IS ILLEGAL UNDER AMERICAN LAW IQ AND IS NOT COVERED BY THE 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. And IQ, Romney did not suggest "anyone can do what they feel like doing" if what they feel like doing is illegal under US law. Twilight Zone nonsense. But IQ I do find it fascinating that so many America haters and enemies of America are trying to cover O'Bomber's sorry ass in his latest foreign policy blunder and/or pulling for O'Bomber's reelection. O'Bomber has been busy de-constructing America for almost 4 years, making a shambles of the US economy and US foreign policy. Putin loves it, the Muslim Brotherhood leadership loves it, China loves it and in fact, O'Bomber is the favorite for US president abroad. Question IQ. What's your excuse? Egan-Jones just cut the US credit rating..again from "AA" to "AA-". Good news for all America haters.
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