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Topic: tales from the 47%
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katatonic
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posted September 23, 2012 09:15 PM
  
heard a caller on rush limbaugh today. she said SHE was one of the 47%...doesnt pay fed income tax due to earned income and child credits...though she and her husband pull 80K per year, every year they get their full tax payment back (around $6000 by her reckoning) every year they use their refund to take their 6 kids on a nice vacation, say to disneyland, whom she reckons make better use of the money than the FEDS would. so - as she pointed out - she and her family are using their tax break to put money into the economy. dependent on the govt? no. obama voter? no, romney... though she supports romney, she is the proof that his statement was straight out of his backside and had nothing to do with the "dependency class"... and by the way, that dependency class ALSO puts their "tax breaks" straight back into the economy, not for vacations usually, but as food and shelter payments.. but this woman is living proof that not everyone who is not paying fed income taxes is on the take, dependent or "socialist" obama acolites. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 23, 2012 09:16 PM
then there are the seniors, the DISABLED vets (remember those high disability figures), other disabled who get the push in a tight economy, students, who am i forgetting?IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 23, 2012 10:29 PM
Wealthfare?Oh, wait, that's more the 1%. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 24, 2012 01:42 PM
but the 1% are well represented in the 47% romney talked about. many of them not only do not pay taxes but receive more than flood insurance...refunds despite huge profits. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 24, 2012 02:31 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/ as this points out, EVERYBODY is paying something. and the poorer you are the more of your income you put back into the economy, in taxes as well as in goods and services. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted September 24, 2012 02:59 PM
Crap. The wealthy are not well represented in the 47% Romney talked about. You know it. I know it. Romney knows it. And everyone with 2 brain cells knows exactly who Romney was talking about.Romney wasn't talking about Social Security recipients who paid into an annuity and are now being paid back their own contributions with interest. Romney was talking about people who make being on the public dole a way of life. You know it and so do I. And now, there's a tape of O'Bomber saying he wants to mobilize all those "welfare recipients" into a MAJORITY VOTING BLOCK..a majority of Americans to form a permanent underclass of Americans to vote those into office and keep them there who will feed, clothe, house their little slaves. Wonderful. If Romney doesn't jump all over this with both feet...he deserves to lose this election. This is so far from the values the majority of Americans hold dear that if O'Bomber's positions became known, he couldn't get 35% of the vote. Oh, he's get the welfare vote and he'd get the usual suspect vote and he'd get the Socialist vote and he'd get the mushroom brigade vote but he'd get a big thumbsdown from the majority of Americans. And, especially when they can see he's been busily implementing his welfare majority coalition by destroying the US economy. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 24, 2012 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
heard a caller on rush limbaugh today. she said SHE was one of the 47%...doesnt pay fed income tax due to earned income and child credits...though she and her husband pull 80K per year, every year they get their full tax payment back (around $6000 by her reckoning) every year they use their refund to take their 6 kids on a nice vacation, say to disneyland, whom she reckons make better use of the money than the FEDS would. so - as she pointed out - she and her family are using their tax break to put money into the economy. dependent on the govt? no. obama voter? no, romney... though she supports romney, she is the proof that his statement was straight out of his backside and had nothing to do with the "dependency class"... and by the way, that dependency class ALSO puts their "tax breaks" straight back into the economy, not for vacations usually, but as food and shelter payments.. but this woman is living proof that not everyone who is not paying fed income taxes is on the take, dependent or "socialist" obama acolites.
I heard her. Good call!
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katatonic
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posted September 24, 2012 04:04 PM
so you agree that a great many people who are dependent in no way on the govt are part of that 47% that romney characterized as welfare "junkies" who will only vote for obama and only want a handout?Romney was talking about people who make being on the public dole a way of life. You know it and so do I. maybe he was, jwhop, but they don't add up to anything like 47%. many very profitable corporations and persons do not pay federal income tax. many middle class folk like the conservative lady in the OP also DO NOT PAY FED INCOME TAX. but everyone who works pays SS. everyone who earns over 100K pays a much smaller percentage into it than the rest of us. the vast majority of americans earn UNDER 100K. in any case romney is planning on raising taxes on the middle class to pay for more cuts to the top earners. charming. i agree with you on one thing. he TOTALLY deserves to lose this election! and i believe you have been listening to rush's breakdown again rather than the actual tape. obama doesn't aspire to a nation on welfare, but a nation of people who can compete with those that already have - as opposed to allowing the big biz and big profiteers to sew up the market. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 24, 2012 04:05 PM
Romney used the word "victim" wrong if he meant the whole 47%. Why don't you focus on O'Bombers gaffes etc as he makes hundreds of them when he opens his idiotic mouth.------------------
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katatonic
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posted September 24, 2012 04:12 PM
he said, ami, that 47% of the country has its hand out permanently and there is no reason for him to waste his time trying to persuade them to vote for him.in doing so he wrote off a large part of HIS constituency. i don't need to say a thing about obama, jwhop overdoes it plenty for any 100 people. that is what you don't get about me being here...i don't go for slander and overkill. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 24, 2012 04:17 PM
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Romney wasn't talking about Social Security recipients who paid into an annuity and are now being paid back their own contributions with interest.
I don't know that this is an accurate description of how Social Security works. They base the payment on your last six years of work. There is no accumulated pot that they divide out under some assumption of how long you're going to live. As such you may get back less than you paid in, or more, and interest doesn't really fit in (as far as I know). quote:
And now, there's a tape of O'Bomber saying he wants to mobilize all those "welfare recipients" into a MAJORITY VOTING BLOCK..a majority of Americans to form a permanent underclass of Americans to vote those into office and keep them there who will feed, clothe, house their little slaves. And, especially when they can see he's been busily implementing his welfare majority coalition by destroying the US economy.
This is rather blatantly ridiculous. No President is endeavoring (or would endeavor) to keep the poor at their station. That's more right-wing fantasy talk. IP: Logged |
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