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jwhop
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posted September 24, 2012 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Bomber wants to make the majority of Americans into welfare recipients. That's right folks...a welfare coalition majority which will elect their little Marxist masters who will control every facet of their existence.

Wards of the federal government who will bow down and lick the hands of their masters who feed them, clothe them and house them. That's the "progressive dream" of the utterly disgusting and contemptible Barack Hussein O'Bomber and his Socialist Comrades in the Congress.

Oh, they done been workin real hard on their "progressive dream" of destroying the US economy, making more and more Americans dependent on government, destroying the middle class...which must be destroyed financially for their little Marxist dream to succeed.

But just in case you don't get it and if you listen to the bullshiiit coming out of O'Bomber and his Comrades in Congress...you won't get it because they talk out of all sides of their mouths at the same time. They claim to be all about the "Middle Class". That's horseshiiit.

It's the middle class that always resists government interference in their lives, who want to be left the hell alone to pursue their own happiness, their own values and their own economic wellbeing.

And, in case you don't know this, it's the "middle class" in societies whom the Marxists, Socialists, Communists and other Collectivists are talking about when they talk about...the Bourgeois and the need to eliminate them from their little collectivist workers paradises.

Now here's a wonderful little ditty from the Congressional Progressive Caucus website. This group, which is very closely aligned with the Democratic Socialists of America and International Socialist and Communist groups got caught..exposed with these song lyrics and the Communist International on it's website. You'll really like the sentiments of this little song...which have now been removed due to the hell raising when it was discovered.


“Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?” The lyrics went: “Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We’ll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie.”

Nice, very nice. That's the "Middle Class" they're talking about.

bour·geois
noun
1. a member of the middle class.
2. a person whose political, economic, and social opinions are believed to be determined mainly by concern for property values and conventional respectability.
3. a shopkeeper or merchant.

Now, pull your heads out of your as$es and wake the hell up! "Progressives" ARE Socialists of one or more of the usual suspect varieties...Marxists, Maoists, Leninists, Trotskyites or other Collectivists.

The networks tried to cover O'Bomber's sorry ass by only publishing a very small and selected part of what O'Bomber said. Too bad, here's the whole damned thing and it's totally damning in that it's a forecast of coming events that are being played out today.

You have to ask yourself how in the hell welfare recipients could ever become a majority in America. There's only one way and anyone with 2 brain cells to call their own would know there's only one way. DESTROY THE US ECONOMY. Well, they've damned well been working hard on that.

November 6th looms on the "Progressive" horizon.

Full audio of 1998 ‘redistribution’ speech: Obama saw welfare recipients as ‘majority coalition’
09/24/2012
Charles C. Johnson

The Daily Caller has obtained a complete audio recording of the October 19, 1998 Loyola College forum on community organizing and policymaking during which a future President Barack Obama said he favored the government redistribution of wealth. The audio demonstrates the context of that remark and reveals other far-left positions that Obama held as a state senator.

Those positions encompass issues as wide-ranging as gun control, universal health care and welfare reform. Obama also said he viewed welfare recipients and “the working poor” as “a majority coalition” that could be mobilized to help advance progressive policies and elect their champions.

Last week the liberal Mother Jones magazine published video footage, shot during a campaign event, showing Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney opining that 47 percent of Americans are captive Democratic voters because they receive government benefits without paying income taxes. (RELATED: Romney controversy points to power of viral video)

Loyola College refused repeated requests from TheDC for a copy of the full one-hour and 42-minute videotape from 1998. But a source in Chicago who gained permission to view it recorded the sound secretly, confirming the accuracy of — and expanding on — initial accounts that featured only a brief audio excerpt.

“I actually believe in [wealth] redistribution,” Obama said in that 96-second excerpt, published September 18 on YouTube. “At least at a certain level, to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

The following day, NBC News said it had obtained what it called “the entirety of the relevant remarks,” and complained that Republicans had taken the original lines out of context.

NBC published only 35 seconds of video, however, more than half of which overlapped with the YouTube audio from a day earlier. The news agency claimed the full context demonstrated that Obama only “seems” to support “redistributing wealth.” (RELATED: 1998 audiotape surfaces: Obama urged “trick” to aid wealth redistribution)

“How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities?” Obama asked in the seconds NBC added to the national discussion.

But Obama’s voice is heard during more than 29 minutes of the recording, including his prepared remarks and his answers to questions from the audience. At one point on the tape he suggests that the “working poor” on welfare are a political voting bloc that can be harnessed.

Obama is also heard lamenting Americans’ distrust of “government action”; identifying his political opponents — that is, Republicans — as “the bad guys”; declaring his support for labor unions and community organizers; endorsing the public financing of political campaigns; and staking out liberal positions on gun control, government-run health care and welfare reform.

Many of those positions, he conceded, had “no chance of seeing the light of day in Springfield” — the Illinois state capital — “or in Washington.”

It’s unclear if NBC News had a complete recorded copy including Obama’s unedited remarks.

Listen to the complete 102-minute session

“I think that what we’re gonna have to do is somehow resuscitate the notion that government action can be effective at all,” he told an audience that reportedly consisted of some 400 people. “There has been a systematic — I don’t think it’s too strong to call it a propaganda campaign — against the possibility of government action and its efficacy,” he said.

“And I think some of it has been deserved. The Chicago Housing Authority has not been a model of good policymaking. And neither, necessarily, has been the Chicago public schools.”

“What that means, then is that as we try to resuscitate this notion that we’re all in this thing together — ‘leave nobody behind’ — we do have to be innovative in thinking.’What are the delivery systems that are actually effective and meet people where they live?’” he said.

It was at this point that Obama launched into his now-famous line about constructing government systems that redistribute wealth.

The full recording reveals that Obama saw welfare recipients and the working poor in Chicago as a “majority coalition” who could be leveraged politically. (RELATED: Pat Buchanan: “Fabian socialist” Obama “is a drug dealer of welfare”)

“What I think will re-engage people in politics is if we’re doing significant, serious policy work around what I will label the ‘working poor,’” he said, “although my definition of the working poor is not simply folks making minimum wage, but it’s also families of four who are making $30,000 a year.”

“They are struggling. And to the extent that we are doing research figuring out what kinds of government action would successfully make their lives better, we are then putting together a potential majority coalition to move those agendas forward.”


Obama also said he did not support the bipartisan welfare reform Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton hammered out during the 1990s, despite more recent claims that he favored the legislation. In the 1998 recording, he called it a bill that “I did not entirely agree with and probably would have voted against at the federal level.”

“But one good thing that comes out of it,” he conceded, “is that it essentially desegregates the welfare population,” merging urban blacks with “the working poor, which are the other people.”

“Now you just have one batch of folks. … That is increasingly a majority population,” Obama concluded, and one whose policy needs would grow to encompass, health care, job training, education and a system where government would “provide effective child care.”

The recording also shows Obama in 1998 identifying with what he said was an American majority angling for new limits on the Second Amendment.

“The vast majority of Americans would like to see serious gun control,” the future president said, noting that “it does not pass. Why does it not pass? It doesn’t pass because there is this huge disconnect between what people think and what legislators think and are willing to act upon.”

Obama also revealed his early disdain for Republicans, referring to his policy opponents as “the bad guys” who stood in the way of crucial reforms — while progressive activists often failed on their own to protect oppressed minority communities.

“The people who are guilty of disempowering the population are not only the bad guys — I won’t be partisan here and say who the bad guys are,” Obama said. “It’s not only the folks who are representing the special interests, quote-unquote, and the guys with the pinky diamond rings and the fat cats. Sometimes it is also us.”

Some of the mechanisms Obama suggested to create a more engaged voter base included progressive policy prescriptions that would be easily recognizable in his 2012 White House — among them the need to give unions and community organizers more “access” to the political decision-making process.

“How do we think about some of the systemic changes that might be required to reengage the citizenry on these policy issues?” Obama asked. “I would have some suggestions that I would be happy to toss out during the question-and-answer: things like public financing for campaigns. How do we strengthen the mediating institutions like churches, unions, and community organizations and provide them with the resources and access to decision making?”

On health care, Obama laid the groundwork for his eventual government-controlled system.

“In the midst of the greatest economic boom in my lifetime and probably most of yours,” he said, “we have actually record numbers of persons with no health insurance. And yet there is virtually no movement of, ‘How do we provide insurance to these uninsured?’”

“There’s a lot of talk about HMO reform, which looks good, partly because it doesn’t cost that much. It’s a matter of just passing a couple of laws. I support this HMO reform but it certainly doesn’t get at the more fundamental issue of, ‘What do we do with this burgeoning number of people who have no health insurance and are one illness away form bankruptcy or worse?’”

During the question-and-answer session that followed, Obama singled out United Power for Action and Justice, a left-wing community organizing outfit, for high praise for “incorporating unions in the organizing process.”

“It’s that kind of community organizing model that ends up being absolutely vital to connecting policy with actual implementation, and empowering citizenry to make these decisions.”

Obama also said the community-organizing political model held advantages, “particularly institutional-based organizing, church-based organizing, [and] incorporating unions in the organizing process.”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/24/full-audio-of- 1998-redistribution-speech-obama-saw-welfare-recipients-as-majority-coalition/

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posted September 24, 2012 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very true *sigh*

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posted September 24, 2012 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow. That's pretty bad. The article includes more of Obama's quotes, and yet the quotes don't support the premise that the article is trying to put forward.

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“I actually believe in [wealth] redistribution,” Obama said in that 96-second excerpt, published September 18 on YouTube. “At least at a certain level, to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.”

I still question any attempt at making this into something it's not. If you have four kids, and one gets hurt, you don't mind expending capital on that one kid even given the possible minor detriment to the other kids. You're just trying to keep all of the kids healthy. Within government funds (taxpayer-provided funds) are already distributed in various uneven ways. "Redistribution" is simply distributing the funds to help address the weaker links. It's not some "Socialist" plot. I've had just about all I can take of this right-wing fairy tale.

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“How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities?”

Doesn't look like the words of a Socialist to me. Yeah, there's a bit about tailoring it to "particular communities," which does mean poor communities, but there's still no endorsement of a handout for not working.

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“I think that what we’re gonna have to do is somehow resuscitate the notion that government action can be effective at all,” he told an audience that reportedly consisted of some 400 people. “There has been a systematic — I don’t think it’s too strong to call it a propaganda campaign — against the possibility of government action and its efficacy,” he said.

True. America used to be far more "Socialist"-leaning than it currently is. That's the strangest part of Conservatives harkening back to better times. Those better times included people politicians that were much more liberal.

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“And I think some of it has been deserved. The Chicago Housing Authority has not been a model of good policymaking. And neither, necessarily, has been the Chicago public schools.”

“What that means, then is that as we try to resuscitate this notion that we’re all in this thing together — ‘leave nobody behind’ — we do have to be innovative in thinking.’What are the delivery systems that are actually effective and meet people where they live?’” he said.


No Child Left Behind is good, but "leave nobody behind" is bad? Really?

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“What I think will re-engage people in politics is if we’re doing significant, serious policy work around what I will label the ‘working poor,’” he said, “although my definition of the working poor is not simply folks making minimum wage, but it’s also families of four who are making $30,000 a year.”

Anyone else note the word "working" in there? Obama wants to help "working" people.

quote:
“They are struggling. And to the extent that we are doing research figuring out what kinds of government action would successfully make their lives better, we are then putting together a potential majority coalition to move those agendas forward.”

This is exactly what any Republican in office ALSO does: try to figure out how to create better outcomes for EVERYONE. Wow. How Socialist.

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“But one good thing that comes out of it,” he conceded, “is that it essentially desegregates the welfare population,” merging urban blacks with “the working poor, which are the other people.”

“Now you just have one batch of folks. … That is increasingly a majority population,” Obama concluded, and one whose policy needs would grow to encompass health care, job training, education and a system where government would “provide effective child care.”


Once again, what's wrong with wanting to create policy that positively affects the poor (as virtually every politician espouses)?

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“The people who are guilty of disempowering the population are not only the bad guys — I won’t be partisan here and say who the bad guys are,” Obama said. “It’s not only the folks who are representing the special interests, quote-unquote, and the guys with the pinky diamond rings and the fat cats. Sometimes it is also us.”

OMG! He didn't just lay it at Republican's feet, but also included "us" in the picture of what's wrong with policy. This article is something else. You think Romney should try to seize on this some more, Jwhop? Really? There's nothing here.

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“How do we think about some of the systemic changes that might be required to reengage the citizenry on these policy issues?” Obama asked. “I would have some suggestions that I would be happy to toss out during the question-and-answer: things like public financing for campaigns. How do we strengthen the mediating institutions like churches, unions, and community organizations and provide them with the resources and access to decision making?”

There's a wide swath of people in this net; just about everyone, so he's saying that he'd like everyone to have more input into politics. This is right alongside his recent statement that Washington can't be changed from the inside. It has to be changed by the people. That's traditional American philosophy there. Not Socialism.

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“In the midst of the greatest economic boom in my lifetime and probably most of yours,” he said, “we have actually record numbers of persons with no health insurance. And yet there is virtually no movement of, ‘How do we provide insurance to these uninsured?’”

“There’s a lot of talk about HMO reform, which looks good, partly because it doesn’t cost that much. It’s a matter of just passing a couple of laws. I support this HMO reform but it certainly doesn’t get at the more fundamental issue of, ‘What do we do with this burgeoning number of people who have no health insurance and are one illness away form bankruptcy or worse?’”


More inherently good points.

I think this is far less controversial than it's being made out to be.

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posted September 24, 2012 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like exactly what it is and exactly what I said it is and exactly what the article said it is...O'Bomber saying his plan is to form a MAJORITY COALITION OF WELFARE VOTERS...A MAJORITY. Got that acoustic?

A MAJORITY OF WELFARE VOTERS IN AMERICA. A grubbly little Marxist's wet dream where everyone is a ward of the government, dependent on government handouts.

No thanks.

This is how the Middle Class is responding to the Marxist's wet dream of destroying the Middle Class.

Republican poll analysis: Romney winning with middle-class families

"More important, in this latest set of data in the POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll, is the fact that Romney is also winning by a strong 14-point margin over Obama with middle-class families, a group of voters that is not only a majority of the American electorate, but is usually seen as the ultimate target group in any presidential election."....
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81584.html

And, most of these Middle Class voters don't even know what O'Bomber said about building his "Welfare Majority"...yet. But they're going to find out and when they do, that 14 point lead for Romney will skyrocket among the Middle Class.


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posted September 24, 2012 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahem, jwhop, once again you put words into peoples' mouths.

not only does obama NOT say WEALTH redistribution.

NEITHER DOES HE SAY WELFARE COALITION.

those words are added by paranoid/spinhappy minds who think everything he says MUST be aimed at disempowering people.

FYI the percentage of americans earning MORE than 30K is almost 70%...so talking "majority" and "dependent" in one phrase is totally FALSE.

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posted September 24, 2012 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from what the conservative woman from the 47% said on rush's show, it seems that cancelling that EIC for higher earners will be VERY MUCH RESENTED...it will, after all, put that money back into the hands of the BIG BAD GOVERNMENT WOLF instead of the job-creating hands of disneyland.

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posted September 24, 2012 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do have it, Jwhop. It's exactly as I said.

Obama mentioned non-working people ONE single time in the quotes in your article. This "majority coalition of welfare voters" is something the author made up. He posted nothing that supports that notion.

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A MAJORITY OF WELFARE VOTERS IN AMERICA. A grubbly little Marxist's wet dream where everyone is a ward of the government, dependent on government handouts.

I don't understand how you don't get how absurd you sound posting stuff like this. Obama's record, even in speech, doesn't remotely support your bizarre theories. You live in a fantasyland where good people that want to help others are somehow menacing offspring of dead philosophies.

It's nice to see you branching out into accepting other polls, but things don't appear to have changed significantly yet.

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posted September 25, 2012 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread is not about "wealth redistribution" katatonic...though that too was part of O'Bomber's speech back when.

This thread is about O'Bomber plan to make America a nation of Welfare Recipients...a Welfare Majority, a nation of citizen wards of the state.

For that to happen, the Middle Class must be destroyed.

O'Bomber is exactly what I said he is. A Marxist who is working against the interests of the United States and the vast majority of the citizens of the United States.

Time for O'Bomber to go.

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