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Node
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posted September 28, 2012 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AKA~ Lying liars.

In the Internet age, fact checking has never been easier. So why do politicians seem so blithely unconcerned with being caught in a lie? The sell by date for political policy is the next news cycle. Delusional is word that gets tossed around with great frequency, and it's not just on this site.

For the last year or two right-wing regressivists, and their personal entertainment channel Foxxy News have specialized in disclaimers to their fact checking. It is an interesting phenomenon that has much to do with transiting Neptune. One of their airmen->
Limbaugh, advises the Romney Campaign to say "We Do Have Victims In This Country, And They Are Victims Of Barack Obama"
If there's one thing the right wing will not have is anyone claiming more victimhood than they have. Conservatives are the most oppressed people in history.
http://crooksandliars.com/driftglass/open-thread-63 http://firedoglake.com/2012/09/27/down-is-up-on-uranus/

They say denial is a river in Egypt, but these days, it would be more accurate to say it’s a political party represented by an elephant. The phenomenon is nothing new, of course; millions of Americans believed and (against all evidence) still believe, say, that cutting taxes increases revenue, going all the way back to when St. Ronnie could still find his way to the rest room unaided. Once such transparent poppycock went over, and went over big, Republicans were off to the races.

Oh, there were bumps in the road here and there, like when Reagan blamed trees for air pollution, but by and large, when confronted with discrediting facts, the right has been disturbingly successful in blaming the liberal media, academia, or, in a pinch, Hollywood, for leading the sheeple to at least intermittently allow their beliefs to comport with observable reality.

But once the end of the Fairness Doctrine turned AM radio into a Republican Ministry of Truth, and Fox News jazzed it up with slick graphics and brassy blondes, a universe was created in which facts weren’t just the “stupid things” Reagan (accidentally?) called them, but for Republicans, they became akin to garlic in a roomful of vampires. Indeed, the more overwhelming the evidence to the contrary, the more stubbornly Republicans clung to the cuckoo myth du jour.

On Planet Republican they don’t just believe, as the Red Queen did, three impossible things before breakfast; they believe dozens of them before they even wake up. Vince Foster was murdered. Hillary Clinton, though ordinarily a lesbian, was having an affair with him. Her husband was a drug runner and had killed scores of people when he wasn’t having coke-filled orgies with hookers in the White House. The weapons of mass destruction were found, and on and on.

Sometimes, whatever preposterous nonsense being put forth served an obvious political purpose: refusal to accept the increasingly insurmountable evidence for Global Warming successfully stalled any action to cut carbon emissions just as surely as the addled belief that lower taxes on the rich would create prosperity for all did make a lot of donors happy. Other times, the lies were propounded seemingly for the sheer pleasure of it and to reinforce tribal identity among the “victimized” believers.
http://www.washingt onpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/ap-editor-cites-bachmann-fact-checking-quota/2012/09/26/ac04901e-07ec-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

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AcousticGod
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posted September 28, 2012 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The phenomenon is nothing new, of course; millions of Americans believed and (against all evidence) still believe, say, that cutting taxes increases revenue,

I just messaged Romney on this yesterday. His facebook page doesn't allow people to write on his wall, so I had to message the page:

    As revenues under your tax plan will be insufficient to cover government expenses (as revenues currently are), how do you intend to avoid recession while cutting government spending down to the point the country can afford?

He's decrying deficits as if he'd be able to do anything about them in the short term. Then, he tried to slam Obama for military cutbacks. There would have to be far more cutbacks for revenues to cover expenses.

Then, shortly after I see this:

Mitt Romney tells voters: If I'm elected, don't expect huge tax cuts

If someone coaxs Romney into going "wonky" at the townhall-style debate, it's all over for him, because there is that side of him that does understand the absurd nature of his stated positions.

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jwhop
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posted September 28, 2012 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's the lie?

Spell it out.

I can and have laid out leftist lies chapter and verse. It's your turn. Go for it.

No vague bullshiiit alluding to Limbaugh or Fox News. What's the lie or lies?

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AcousticGod
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posted September 28, 2012 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't act as if you don't have knowledge of the numerous factual inaccuracies exposed to you here all the time. We've also laid out Conservative lies chapter and verse over and over and over again.

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