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posted September 28, 2012 01:04 PM            

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/09/26/161824667/new-groups-argue-a-conservative-take-on-climate-change?ft=1&f=1002&sc=igg2

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posted September 28, 2012 02:22 PM            

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posted September 28, 2012 03:23 PM            

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Hey, I believe in global warming and alternative energy too. We have a whole bunch of conservative converts at work. We work with solar and wind power all day long. Green energy pays our paychecks and our outsized bonuses. Heck, there is half a floor of carbon credit climate change traders at Goldman Sachs that are all hyped up about climate change and green energy. Keep paying them and they'll cast their votes for Obama too.

The thing is... there are many people who would sell their mothers and ship them COD. Just because they like something does not mean they truly deep down in their hearts believe in it.

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posted September 28, 2012 05:05 PM            

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just wanted our resident line toers to know their are alternatives! apparently the waltons are the biggest investors in solar and alternative energies in the country, but maybe that is just because they are also about the biggest moneybags in the country?

climate change is not the exclusive property of leftists. nor do all leftists believe in it!

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posted October 08, 2012 04:59 PM            

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website that both kat & AG might find interesting ((*_*))
http://www.350.org/

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posted October 08, 2012 05:05 PM            

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Bush vs. Gore when it comes to how they live:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

Btw, Bush was originally more of a supporter of the Kyoto Treaty than Gore (infamous for his abuses of the environment when he was a politician, btw, and still isn't Green), but that was back when Bush's masters in Enron wanted it to be signed because they'd dominate the market in the alternatives that would be required and thus making billions, minimum. It might've even saved them and who knows if they'd succeeded in getting America to sign we might think Enron was all saints now instead of the villains we now know them to be. But once Enron fell then Bush changed his mercenary position to the one we're more familiar with (still beats Gore for walking Gore's talk, however, even if he has more practical than idealistic reasons for doing so...)

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posted October 08, 2012 05:44 PM            

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Hello, lie much?

I thought the title of this thread is "Conservatives who....blah, blah, blah.

Bob Inglis is no conservative. That's the reason he lost his Congressional seat.

And NPR...lie much?

Suggesting Inglis proposes "free market solutions" in one breath while proving just the opposite is nothing but lying leftist rhetoric.

"These days, Inglis heads the Energy and Enterprise Initiative at George Mason University, making a free market case for tackling global warming."

Hello free markets! NPR wouldn't recognize a free market if they stepped in it.

Bob Inglis gets off on the right foot by suggesting doing away with all energy subsidies...for all forms of energy. Yeah, let the free market decide, that's conservative...but then goes immediately to the leftist nonsense of levying a carbon tax on oil, coal and natural gas....to make wind and solar appear more competitive when it's not. That's anything but conservative! That's attempting to pick winners and losers in the market place by giving a competitive edge to one segment of the market! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

"Inglis proposes eliminating government incentives: no more tax breaks for solar panels or electric cars; no more subsidies for oil companies. Then, he says he would impose a carbon tax on fossil fuels."

Some conservative. No wonder his constituents threw him out of Congress.

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posted October 30, 2012 10:09 AM            

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thinking of this thread (and many others of same ilk) as the aftermath of Sandy unfolds.

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posted October 30, 2012 02:45 PM            

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It's interesting isn't it Juniperb, how a natural disaster that devastates (cost wise in the billions/millions) a whole region of the country puts some things into perspective and calls other things into question.

Mitt Romney: "Shut down FEMA" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/mitt-romney-fema_n_2044213.html

And for all those small government fanatics... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/opinion/a-big-storm-requires-big-government.html?_r=0

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posted October 30, 2012 02:56 PM            

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A note on small government versus big government: Both parties want a big government. Democrats probject a big government at home to the dismay of Republicans, and Republicans do the opposite projecting a big government to the world to the dismay of some Democrats.

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posted October 30, 2012 03:15 PM            

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It's quite a conundrum AG. Clearly that NY Times article had a political bias within it, however some significant points were brought to the table. As a New Englander and New Yorker I have to hand it to Bloomberg, FEMA, Cuomo and many others in their efforts in handling Hurricane Sandy. And as we speak reliefs workers are doing their best to handle the aftermath of this event all over the East Coast.

On another note it's hard to ignore the parallels between the escalation of global warming and the increase in mega-storms such as Sandy.

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posted October 30, 2012 04:20 PM            

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I agree. Even Governor Christie is praising Obama's administration for the handling of this natural disaster.

Sandy is a good reminder of the effects of global warming.

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posted October 30, 2012 05:08 PM            

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I highly doubt a 7/10 increase in temperature in the next 20 years (by their own admission) had anything whatsoever to do with this or any other storm. The computer models predicted a much higher increase that didn't quite go as predicted. We should all be baked extra crispy by now.

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posted November 01, 2012 01:46 PM            

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Nine term Republican congressman Mike Castle is on the right side of science: http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/11/watch-climate-desk-live-kevin- knobloch-mike-castle

Sandy and Climate Change: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-climate-science

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