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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2012 10:28 AM
  
"no possibility", like "never", is a word that signifies mental and emotional laziness. also called close-mindedness by some.
obama? it is the oil cos who bump the price at the pump every time an "accident" occurs at a refinery or elsewhere in the line of production/transport.
any architect can tell you that even passive solar cuts energy bills. and there are so many alternatives to fossil fuel energy it makes the mind spin, but producing it is labelled "stealing" by the energy companies, even if they are not in direct competition with the method. all EMERGING societies and many first world ones too are converting to solar at a rate that must alarm people like you who cling to the past. and if we do not invest in these energies, then the world will go elsewhere to get them. including ourselves. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted October 07, 2012 11:29 AM
Give it up katatonic. You lost the argument over wind and solar...and cost effectiveness vs oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear long, long, long ago. Wise up!Didn't I s'plain it all to you katatonic...that even with wind and solar it's still necessary to have conventional power generation plants...because the sun doesnt' always shine and the wind doesn't alway blow. Yep katatonic, I did s'plain that to you. I also s'plained to you the amount of land mass necessary for solar and wind farms to replace 49% of just the electricity produced by coal and the fact that land doesn't exist in areas where dependable sunlight and wind are available. Again, wise up. You are chasing a pipe dream. Wind and solar are boondoggles which have gobbled up hundreds of billions in taxpayer funding going back to Carter...and we don't have a damned thing to show for the money...except for some fat cat's swollen bank accounts of demoscat campaign contributors like O'Bomber's Solyndra contributors/so called investors. Big Super PAC Donor on Obama: 'Looks Like He Took My Million and Spent it All on Weed'
Oct 6, 2012
DANIEL HALPER Bill Maher, a major donor to Barack Obama's super PAC, blasted the president's debate performance on his HBO show last night: "I'm sorry, he sucked," said Maher last night. "He looked tired. He had trouble getting his answers out. Looks like he took my million and spent it all on weed!" Maher has given a million dollars to support President Obama's super PAC.
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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2012 11:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3q7-a-ayc&feature=share you can "splain" all you like, jwhop, and yes i already know YOUR OPINION. but no matter how many times you say it, solar and wind are no less viable than oil and coal. they also cost fewer human lives in the making. oil fields and coal mines not only take up plenty of space but they poison the surrounding area big time. you seem to have forgotten that many things you take for granted were "impossible" not many years ago. and will be deemed "antiquated" in a few more years. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
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posted October 07, 2012 12:34 PM
I can't believe anyone is even entertaining you on Solar, Jwhop. You clearly don't understand the industry nor where it's heading. The increase in employment numbers alone are enough for any American to get on board with it.Germany is out to set the world straight on what is possible. That's usually the United States position on things. The U.S. gets far more sunlight than Germany does. An investment in solar is an investment in jobs. Solar investments create more jobs per megawatt than any other energy resource, (Source: UC Berkeley Energy Resources Group). 100,237 Americans are currently working in the U.S. solar industry (more than coal mining or steel & iron manufacturing). Solar businesses added 6,735 new workers in all 50 states since August 2010, which represents a 6.8 percent growth rate. During the same 12-month period, jobs in the overall economy grew by a mere 0.7 percent, while fossil fuel electric generation lost 2 percent of its workforce, (Source: Solar Foundation’s National Solar Jobs Census – 2011).Over the next year a majority of solar energy companies plan to add employees. According to the National Solar Jobs Consensus 2011 issued by The Solar Foundation, a nonprofit focused on education, research, and market transformation of the solar industry. Solar industry employers expect to increase their workforce by 24% in the next year, creating 24,000 new jobs. http://solarenergy-usa.com/about-solar-energy-solutions/solar-facts/
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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2012 03:11 PM
http://www.narendramodi.in/gujarat-dedicates-india%E2%80%99s-first-canal-top-solar-power-project-to-the-nation/ story about india, using solar panels to cover irrigation canals, serving the double purpose of generating power and collecting condensation/preventing evaporation, and certainly no uglier than the canal itself... if the anti-solar brigade continues to balk we will always be able to BUY power from these other countries we consider so backward. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2012 03:18 PM
You, guys, are the old fashioned hippies  ------------------
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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2012 04:01 PM
gingrich on debating mitt romney.."you cannot debate with someone who is dishonest, you really can't"IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2012 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
gingrich on debating mitt romney.."you cannot debate with someone who is dishonest, you really can't"
That is old news  ------------------
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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2012 04:54 PM
so is the resurrection, ames. so are a lot of things. however, the continuing tale of mitt's inability to stick to his guns for more than five minutes is ONGOING and has been pointed out by almost everyone in the republican party.every wonder why they selected him under those circumstances?
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Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2012 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
so is the resurrection, ames. so are a lot of things. however, the continuing tale of mitt's inability to stick to his guns for more than five minutes is ONGOING and has been pointed out by almost everyone in the republican party.every wonder why they selected him under those circumstances?
No matter how bad Mitt may be( and I am not saying he IS, but no one gets that high up, politically, if they are a saint), Mitt is OODLES and OODLES times infinity better than that sorry piece of work named O'Bomber. ------------------
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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2012 07:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20&feature=youtu.be this is short and not very cruel. mitt debating himself.
obama didn't bother debating him cause, you know, what newt said!
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Ami Anne
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posted October 07, 2012 08:59 PM
Nah
That ain't gonna FLY, Kat ------------------
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katatonic
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posted October 08, 2012 12:08 AM
did you watch it? who said anything about flying? how about hoisting in ones own petard???IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted October 08, 2012 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was worried, too. I was afraid O'Bomber would be a weenie like McCain. Thank God, he was not.
You obviously meant Romney would not be a weenie like McCain but you wrote Obama. This shows how much mind-space you have allowed Obama into your consciousness by constantly thinking about him, even if negatively. This is not healthy. You have a great life ahead beyond these "fixed" politics, so do not lose too much energy on this. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 08, 2012 07:35 AM
Thanks IQ
I have never disliked a politician as I much as I do O'Bomber. I can't even look at that fake face talk. I was getting upset during the debates( before his lying butt got exposed) such that I realized it was not healthy.You are right, IQ. Thank you  ------------------
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jwhop
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posted October 08, 2012 10:21 AM
What planet are you leftists living on?"Wind and Solar are NO LESS VIABLE than oil and coal"...katatonic. Hello! Huh! Duh! Earth to leftists! Now hear this! Coal alone produces 49% of the US electric energy supply. HELLO. Coal is plentiful. The US has the largest coal reserves in the world...about a 200+ year supply. Hello, hello, hello! Is there any intelligent life there? Wind and Solar will Never...repeat NEVER replace the 49% of electrical power coal alone now produces. NEVER! AND, if by some manipulation of price structure...like skyrocketing electric rates for coal produced electricity, O'Bomber managed to make Wind and Solar competitive with coal to produce electricity, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PAY YOUR ELECTRIC BILLS AND WOULD BE LEFT SITTING IN THE DARK AND TRYING TO SCROUNGE WOOD TO HEAT YOUR HOUSES AND COOK YOUR FOOD. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted October 08, 2012 12:28 PM
darling just because you are against it doesn't mean you can hold back the tides. you are just one man. even the oil companies are in place to move forward with sun and wind. the technology is improving all the time, even if solyndra was badly managed and broke under the economic pressure of the time.fact is, being able to eat is more important than being rich. being able to drink water is more important than how fast your car is. IF you and your cohorts manage to hold back progress long enough, that will become NECESSITY not choice. whatever. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 08, 2012 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
darling just because you are against it doesn't mean you can hold back the tides. you are just one man. even the oil companies are in place to move forward with sun and wind. the technology is improving all the time, even if solyndra was badly managed and broke under the economic pressure of the time.fact is, being able to eat is more important than being rich. being able to drink water is more important than how fast your car is. IF you and your cohorts manage to hold back progress long enough, that will become NECESSITY not choice. whatever.
Man, Kat. You do not live in reality. You need a ONE way ticked to Realville ------------------
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katatonic
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posted October 08, 2012 01:26 PM
i'm glad that you and jwhop are so sure you know it all, ami. life is full of surprises ... you wouldn't even be here if columbus had listened to your parallel in the 15th century. enjoy your certainty.did you know that when galileo suggested his detractors LOOK THROUGH THE TELESCOPE they refused, because they didn't consider he had enough evidence to make it worth it? bought centuries for the church and the old world view. happy columbus day! IP: Logged |
Node
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From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
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posted October 08, 2012 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
did you know that when galileo suggested his detractors LOOK THROUGH THE TELESCOPE they refused, because they didn't consider he had enough evidence to make it worth it? bought centuries for the church and the old world view. happy columbus day!
This is an excellent reference to make to those who's boxed POV is tightly sealed... so tightly sealed, they cannot even begin to smell their own java. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 08, 2012 02:36 PM
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AcousticGod
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posted October 08, 2012 03:20 PM
Yeah, Jwhop, that was a rather stupid response. quote:
Wind and Solar will Never...repeat NEVER replace the 49% of electrical power coal alone now produces. NEVER!
This is a matter of opinion, and that of a close-minded fool. If you were the American patriot you'd like to see yourself as, you'd continue the American tradition of embracing new technologies, and encouraging the possible from the seemingly impossible. That's how we flew. That's how we put a man on the moon. That's how we invented the telephone. Don't sacrifice your values to politics. It's unsavory. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted October 09, 2012 06:22 PM
Neither Wind or Solar are "new technologies".You'd know that acoustic if you didn't have your head so far up your butt. Wind and Solar energy will never replace fossil fuels as a reliable or cost competitive alternative. Never. Something else might but wind and solar won't. Solar is very low efficiency at about 20% efficiency, even after all these years solar has been around. Time to move in a different direction and stop screwing around with a dead end bottomless money pit.
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katatonic
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posted October 09, 2012 07:20 PM
http://www.upworthy.com/i-didnt-realize-the-failure-rate-for-us-elections-was-this-high?c=cp2 IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted October 09, 2012 07:21 PM
as to efficiency, those who think the sun has to shine for solar to work don't know much about solar.try asking the germans about efficiency. they have far less sun than us, but a lot more CHEAP power courtesy of solar. china too, oh deeear. IP: Logged |
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