posted September 29, 2012 10:19 PM            

Last time I thought about it, Colonoscopies ranked right up there with Root Canals and Hysterectomies as fun medical procedures.

But Joe "Plugs" wasn't finished yet. He also touted "breast exams". I guess Joe "Plugs" doesn't know, having been out of the "breast exam" game for a long time, that women who felt the need to be "felt up" would have about the same outcome with their husband or boyfriend doing the exam as Planned Parenthood and have a lot more fun.

Keep it up Joe "Plugs", you're doing great; you're so inspirational.

Biden promotes free colonoscopies to seniors in Florida
September 28, 2012
Charlie Spiering
The Washington Examiner

In Florida this afternoon, Vice President Joe Biden reminded supporters that thanks to President Obama, they could now get colonoscopies without a co-pay.

During his speech, Biden reminded the audience that some of their Republican friends would distort Obama’s record on Medicare.

“Everyone knows, everyone in this room knows that President Obama has increased the benefits available to people on Medicare by the action he took,” Biden said. “You are now able to go get a wellness exam, and guys, if you conclude you need a colonoscopy because of the feeling you had or you need a breast health examination, you don’t have to pay a co-pay for that.”

Biden made his remarks during a campaign event at the Century Village Clubhouse in Boca Raton, Fla.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-promotes-free-colonoscopies-to-seniors-in-florida/article/2509330

posted September 30, 2012 06:39 PM            

"Everybody you know just loves the British Socialist HealthCare System"...and never mind that it's killing their family members.

"Your buds got stopped by police at 3am and questioned"...and they weren't doin nuthin, nuthin.

On and on and on and on.

posted September 30, 2012 07:43 PM            

yes colonoscopies are available on medicare but many people who need them aren't qualified for medicare yet.

and i don't know why you can't understand that the money SAVED from medicare will actually improve its benefits and costs..you're the one who is always talking about the bloated expenses of govt programs, be happy when they are trimmed and get over yourself.

posted October 01, 2012 10:04 AM            

Let me repeat this for you katatonic. Maybe this time it will sink in.

Your sister already had access to a Colonoscopy...and testing through regular Medicare. She DID NOT need O'BomberCare to get access to that medical procedure and there's absolutely no reason for anyone to vote for O'Bomber based on THAT ISSUE which was the issue Joe "Plugs" was plugging.

As for you acoustic. Republicans never..ever envisioned a 2700 page mountain of crap to control every aspect of medical service delivery and payment that would get between doctors and their patients. Nor did they ever so much as think about a panel of unelected bureaucrats who would function as a death panel telling doctors who they could treat...or not and from who's decisions there could be no possible appeals. Not to any higher authority, not to any review panel, not to an administrative law judge, not to any civilian court, not even to the US Supreme Court. Nor would Republicans rob Medicare of almost 3/4 of a Trillion Dollars to pay for a pile of crap..like O'BomberCare is.

posted October 01, 2012 12:03 PM            

Your talking points are off as they have been for quite some time. We've dealt with your "death panel" myth. We've virtually dealt with every objection you've ever had on healthcare. There was no "robbing of Medicare". There were Medicare savings that were exactly the same as Ryan's budget plan called for.

You're just being ridiculous.

Kaiser Survey on Obamacare: Move on to Other Issues

Monday, 02 Jul 2012 04:26 PM

By Todd Beamon

Most Americans want critics of Obamacare move on to other issues, a new poll shows, while a majority of Republicans want to see efforts to block it continue.

The survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed that 56 percent of Americans want opponents to move on now that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it constitutional.

“Democrats overwhelmingly say opponents should move on to other issues – 82 percent – as do 51 percent of independents and 26 percent of Republicans,” according to Kaiser.

However, the foundation says, “seven in 10 Republicans – 69 percent – say they want to see efforts to stop the law continue, a view shared by 41 percent of independents and 14 percent of Democrats.”

The public also remains divided over last week’s Supreme Court’s decision, the Kaiser survey says: 47 percent support the justices’ decision, 43 percent do not and 10 percent remain unsure.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and other GOP candidates are making the repeal of the Affordable Care Act central to their fall campaigns.

posted October 01, 2012 02:05 PM            

Your string of strike-outs continues unabated.

You show me a leftist generated poll to back up your absurd contention acoustic?

You are hopeless and helpless acoustic. Anytime a leftist is ready to throw a shovel full of horseshiiit your way you're always ready with your mouth wide open. That's what little mushrooms feed on...horseshiiit.

The CBO...that's the Congressional Budget Office...a federal office, for your information, spikes your bullshiit acoustic.
That $716 Billion removed from the Medicare budget isn't savings. It's money removed for senior care to fund O'BomberCare. And, the removal of that money will cause rationing of healthcare to senior citizens. The "Death Panel" is another form of health care rationing and it's in O'BomberCare. Just because you can't find the words.."Death Panel" doesn't mean there isn't a death panel of bureaucrats who will decide who lives and who dies.

Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself
Alyene Senger
August 1, 2012

Last week, a new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report updated the amount of money Obamacare robs out of Medicare from $500 billion to a whopping $716 billion between 2013 and 2022.

According to the CBO, the payment cuts in Medicare include:

•A $260 billion payment cut for hospital services.
•A $39 billion payment cut for skilled nursing services.
•A $17 billion payment cut for hospice services.
•A $66 billion payment cut for home health services.
•A $33 billion payment cut for all other services.
•A $156 billion cut in payment rates in Medicare Advantage (MA); $156 billion is before considering interactions with other provisions. The House Ways and Means Committee was able to include interactions with other provisions, estimating the cuts to MA to be even higher, coming in at $308 billion.
•$56 billion in cuts for disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments.* DSH payments go to hospitals that serve a large number of low-income patients.
•$114 billion in other provisions pertaining to Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP* (does not include coverage-related provisions).
*Subtract $25 billion total between DSH payments and other provisions for spending that was cut from Medicaid and CHIP.

In total, Obamacare raids Medicare by $716 billion from 2013 to 2022. Despite Medicare facing a 75-year unfunded obligation of $37 trillion, Obamacare uses the savings from the cuts to pay for other provisions in Obamacare, not to help shore up Medicare’s finances.

The impact of these cuts will be detrimental to seniors’ access to care. The Medicare trustees 2012 report concludes that these lower Medicare payment rates will cause an estimated 15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies to operate at a loss by 2019, 25 percent to operate at a loss in 2030, and 40 percent by 2050. Operating at a loss means these facilities are likely to cut back their services to Medicare patients or close their doors, making it more difficult for seniors to access these services.....(Rationing)
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/obamacare-robs-medicare-of-716-billion-to-fund-i tself/

Pull your head out.

And that doesn't have anything to do with Joe "Plugs" O'Biden, the Gaffomatic prone loudmouth shooting off his mouth about the glories of O'BomberCare giving senior citizens the same exam and surgical options as they had under regular Medicare.

posted October 01, 2012 06:49 PM            

as to memory, no contest jwhop, and since you can't remember enough to jog my memory, i'd drop it if i were you. you have been proven to forget things you said, and then insist that you NEVER WOULD HAVE said them either...until the words were put in front of you.

it's always possible i have forgotten some of my posts, but i don't really care, unless you have some point you want to prove with my former entries here.

posted October 01, 2012 07:36 PM            

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You show me a leftist generated poll to back up your absurd contention acoustic?

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No, I've already backed up my contentions. You want to show me something outside of a Heritage construct to prove your CBO point? How about something from the CBO itself?

I posted the poll just to inform you that people aren't as onboard with getting rid of OBamacare as they once were.

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You are hopeless and helpless acoustic. Anytime a leftist is ready to throw a shovel full of horseshiiit your way you're always ready with your mouth wide open. That's what little mushrooms feed on...horseshiiit.

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That's ironic from a guy who can't look outside of right-wing sources for information.

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That $716 Billion removed from the Medicare budget isn't savings. It's money removed for senior care to fund O'BomberCare.

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It has been characterized as "SAVINGS" easily as often as it's been categorized as something else. The question is whether this new healthcare will be a more efficient Prius offering the same bang for less buck, or continue on being inefficient, which could lead to a rationing of the Medicare benefit.

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The "Death Panel" is another form of health care rationing and it's in O'BomberCare. Just because you can't find the words.."Death Panel" doesn't mean there isn't a death panel of bureaucrats who will decide who lives and who dies.

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I am familiar with the fact that Conservatives came up with the term "death panel." There still won't be people sitting around determining whether people's lives will end.

You're starting to sound as if you're looking for a government hand-out; like you want government to be on the hook for every medical cost for seniors regardless of anything.

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The impact of these cuts will be detrimental to seniors’ access to care. The Medicare trustees 2012 report concludes that these lower Medicare payment rates will cause an estimated 15 percent of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, and home health agencies to operate at a loss by 2019, 25 percent to operate at a loss in 2030, and 40 percent by 2050. Operating at a loss means these facilities are likely to cut back their services to Medicare patients or close their doors, making it more difficult for seniors to access these services.....(Rationing)

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posted October 02, 2012 11:44 AM            

Sorry, but in the real world, that just doesn't cut the mustard.

You have to face the fact your sources are fatally flawed, your fact checkers are flawed activists and extensions of O'Bomber's campaign and the polls you cite are so flawed and biased, weighted unrealistically at high as +14% demoscats that none of them can be trusted.

But your biggest blind spot is Sarah Palin. She's much more intelligent than you, much more intelligent than your little Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber, she's tougher, more politically astute and further, she's been right all along about O'BomberCare and she's not going to sit the hell down and shut the hell up. Sarah Palin is a leftists worst nightmare.

Tom Blumer: Will PolitiFact Reverse ‘Lie of the Year’ Tag on Palin?; Updated: Krugman and Orszag on Obamacare’s death panels
October 01 2012
Stacy Drake

This morning, Governor Palin tweeted a link to an article written by Tom Blumer over at Newsbusters about the now infamous New York Times op-ed calling for death panels. He wrote:

For those who want the short answer to the question in this post’s title, the answer is almost definitely “no.” But in a New York Times op-ed piece in mid-September, former Obama “car czar” Steven Rattner effectively said that the so-called “fact-check” site known as PolitiFact should make amends to former Alaska Governor and vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In December 2009, PolitiFact’s Angie Drobnic Holan outrageously characterized the following statement made by Palin in an August 2009 Facebook post as its “Lie of the Year”

What follows are several paragraphs from Rattner’s Times September 16 op-ed. Rattner understates the real-world power of ObamaCare’s Independent Advisory Board, which makes his citation of England’s version of death panels as something worthy of imitation a de facto admission (to the point where it doesn’t matter whether he himself admits it) that Palin is right about ObamaCare as it was proposed (at the time of her Facebook post) and ultimately enacted (bolds are mine):

WE need death panels.

Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.

Most notably, President Obama’s estimable Affordable Care Act regrettably includes severe restrictions on any reduction in Medicare services or increase in fees to beneficiaries. In 2009, Sarah Palin’s rant about death panels even forced elimination from the bill of a provision to offer end-of-life consultations.

Now, three years on, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Paul D. Ryan, has offered his latest ambitious plan for addressing the Medicare problem. But like Mr. Obama’s, it holds limited promise for containing the program’s escalating costs within sensible boundaries.

… Mr. Obama’s hopes for sustained cost containment are pinned on a to-be-determined mix of squeezing reimbursements, embracing a selection of the creative ideas that have spewed forth from health care policy wonks and scouring the globe for innovations.

To Mr. Obama’s credit, his plan has more teeth than Mr. Ryan’s; if his Independent Payment Advisory Board comes up with savings, Congress must accept either them or vote for an equivalent package. The problem is, the advisory board can’t propose reducing benefits (a k a rationing) or raising fees (another form of rationing), without which the spending target looms impossibly large.

… No one wants to lose an aging parent. And with price out of the equation, it’s natural for patients and their families to try every treatment, regardless of expense or efficacy. But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled — including Canada, Australia and New Zealand — have systems for rationing care.

Take Britain, which provides universal coverage with spending at proportionately almost half of American levels. Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment’s ability to extend life.

Enter the Independent Payment Advisory Board. ObamaCare deliberately insulated it from normal Congressional oversight and approval (its word is law unless Congress acts; IPAB shouldn’t be able act unless Congress approves its budget and priorities). By dictating overall spending levels, IPAB will restrict care without knowing who they’re doing it to, leaving the dirty work of deciding exactly who should and shouldn’t receive care to hospitals and other medical providers. Consider it death panel outsourcing. You can rest assured that providers will get the latest and greatest advice from the likes of “Zeke the Bleak” Emanuel and others with a utilitarian view of humanity on implementing “quality-adjusted life year system” and other schemes to decide who is unworthy of medical attention up to and including continued life.

Rattner has only admitted what anyone who has studied the situation already knows: ObamaCare will lead to rationing, which will lead to life-death decisions being made outside of patients’ and their families’ control. PolitiFact’s Halon was and is wrong. Palin was and remains right. Halon and PolitiFact should own up to their error.
You can read the entire piece here.

Update by Doug: Rattner isn’t the first Obama crony to admit that Governor Palin’s use of the death panel metaphor to describe the rationing of health care by the IPAB was not only accurate, but a key to Obamacare’s “success”. In a post over two years ago, I noted that both Paul Krugman and Obama’s OMB Director, Peter Orszag, came to the same conclusion.

The criticism of her metaphoric use of the phrase “death panels” wasn’t limited to Democrat politicians and their sycophants in the media. Even normally lucid conservative pundits criticized her for its use. Charles Krauthammer, in one of the most bizarre articles I have ever read, famously told her to “leave the room” at the beginning of his piece because there were no death panels before spending the rest of his article explaining why the rationing in the bill amounted to…death panels.

In a post three weeks ago, we linked a video in which ultra-lefty New York Times columnist Paul Krugman exculpated Governor Palin’s use of the metaphor:

More recently, Peter Orszag, Director of Obama’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB), further vindicated Governor Palin. Let’s go to the video and allow Orszag to explain in wonkish detail how ObamaCare’s death panels will work. Via Breitbart TV:

Amazing. First Krugman and now Obama’s own OMB Director confirm what Governor Palin has been saying all along: the advisory panel within ObamaCare responsible for rationing health care will effectively be a death panel for those deemed unworthy of the cost of the care. More on Orszag’s vindication of Governor Palin from Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey here and Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft here.

posted October 02, 2012 12:30 PM            

You don't live in the real world. We've been over this time and time again. Bringing up Sarah Palin as some sort of anti-AG is evidence of this. She can't be a blind spot when she doesn't even register on my radar the vast majority of the time. If she was much more intelligent than ANYone, much less me, she'd be running a successful campaign for President right now (I suspect). That's not happening, though, is it? Is she too smart to run against an incumbent? That remains to be seen. She's certainly not a DEMOCRAT's worst nightmare. Anything but. Same as Ann Coulter. This is delusional nonsense.

I like Steve Rattner. I watch him on Morning Joe regularly. Seems like a rather sensible guy. He didn't say Politifact should make amends with Sarah Palin, though. Nor did he imply that she was right, and they were wrong.

Here's the article in question: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obama care.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

To Mr. Obama’s credit, his plan has more teeth than Mr. Ryan’s; if his Independent Payment Advisory Board comes up with savings, Congress must accept either them or vote for an equivalent package. The problem is, the advisory board can’t propose reducing benefits (a k a rationing) or raising fees (another form of rationing), without which the spending target looms impossibly large.

Rattner claims that the supposed "death panels" are unable to ration. Why, then, is Palin trying to use his article as proof of "death panels"?

His article actually argues in favor of rationing which isn't currently in place.

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ObamaCare deliberately insulated it from normal Congressional oversight and approval (its word is law unless Congress acts; IPAB shouldn’t be able act unless Congress approves its budget and priorities).

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Guess what? Congress has always had the power to reduce Medicare coverage. You're demonizing a board that hasn't done anything for what it might do, when what it might do is the same as what Congress itself might do. That makes the critique rather toothless. To say that Congress would never seek to contain the costs of Medicare is to live in a dream world.

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Rattner has only admitted what anyone who has studied the situation already knows: ObamaCare will lead to rationing, which will lead to life-death decisions being made outside of patients’ and their families’ control. PolitiFact’s Halon was and is wrong. Palin was and remains right. Halon and PolitiFact should own up to their error.

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This is false. Rattner has admitted that Obamacare won't work without rationing. The costs will eventually become unbearable unless efficiencies are found.

Politifact was right, and continues to be right. There was no error there.

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In a post over two years ago, I noted that both Paul Krugman and Obama’s OMB Director, Peter Orszag, came to the same conclusion.

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I can't watch the videos right now to confirm whether or not this is accurate. Given how Rattner's article has been mischaraterized, I'm not sure I can trust this source.

posted October 02, 2012 03:55 PM            

and this person has WHAT TO DO with obamacare? answer..zilch, zip, zero.

posted October 03, 2012 12:12 PM            

God, you are irrational, illogical and unreasonable acoustic.

Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner.

Oh, and further proof of your irrationality is your belief I'm trying to sway you acoustic. Nothing could be further from the truth. You're far too valuable to me as an opponent whose nose I can constantly rub in your own bullshiiit and the bullshiiit of other leftists you choose to quote as you attempt to validate your ignorance.

Sarah Palin quickly analyzed O'BomberCare, found the IAB realized it amounted to a unelected bureaucrat rationing board which would make life and death decisions about senior citizens health care and applied the right label..."Death Panel".

All the screeching, wheezing, whining and shrieking by leftists trying to protect the little Marxist Messiah...and his Socialist comrades in Congress who voted for this piece of trash came to nothing. Many of them got defeated in 2010, some of them bailed out and some more will be defeated in 2012. Still others aren't running in 2012.

Given O'Bomber's utter failure as pres, if he had a shred of integrity or character, he would have announced he wasn't seeking reelection in 2012. But, he doesn't have any of the right stuff to be President of the United States.

I recall when Lyndon B Johnson announced he would not seek a 2nd full term as president. I didn't like Johnson..as president. But, my admiration for Johnson, the man rose by several orders of magnitude.

O'Bomber, Not!

Oh, and Joe "Plugs" touting O'BomberCare to senior citizens because of Colonoscopy coverage is way, way, way off the mark...as usual for Joe "Plugs". Seniors already had and have that coverage under regular Medicare.

posted October 03, 2012 12:35 PM            

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Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner.

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Your article comes from Conservatives4Palin, correct? If you want to split hairs and say it's Palin supporters rather than Palin? That's alright with me. The point remains the same: Rattner doesn't support the Palin theory.

posted October 03, 2012 12:44 PM            

I said:
If she was much more intelligent than ANYone, much less me, she'd be running a successful campaign for President right now (I suspect). That's not happening, though, is it? Is she too smart to run against an incumbent? That remains to be seen. She's certainly not a DEMOCRAT's worst nightmare. Anything but. Same as Ann Coulter. This is delusional nonsense.

You said in response:
Nothing

I said:
Rattner claims that the supposed "death panels" are unable to ration. Why, then, is Palin trying to use his article as proof of "death panels"?

You said in response:
Nothing (Well, technically you changed the subject to splitting hairs about who credited Rattner with confirming Palin's position. You said "Nothing" to the fact that what Rattner actually said is that the board can't ration.)

I said:
You're demonizing a board that hasn't done anything for what it might do, when what it might do is the same as what Congress itself might do. That makes the critique rather toothless. To say that Congress would never seek to contain the costs of Medicare is to live in a dream world.

You said in response:
Nothing

I said:
Rattner has admitted that Obamacare won't work without rationing.

You said in response:
Nothing

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posted October 03, 2012 02:14 PM            

Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner.

Now "Fogged In" if you disagree with this, then go find a quote from "Sarah Palin" commenting on what Steve Rattner said.

Otherwise, drop it and don't damage your credibility any further..if that's even possible.

posted October 03, 2012 02:35 PM            

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Let me repeat for the fogged in one.
Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner.

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You already put forward that irrelevant piece of information while dodging the other points I made.

posted October 03, 2012 08:12 PM            

"Why, then, is Palin trying to use his article as proof of "death panels"?"

So, I asked you to produce the Palin quote where she did so...and you had to crawfish acoustic because you can't.

You shot your mouth off about Sarah Palin..who is far more intelligent than you...and your little Marxist Messiah. And acoustic, as much as that chaffes, it's just a fact and one you're just going to have to live with because there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

Palin went right to the heart of the problem with O'BomberCare, found it, characterized it, personalized it for tens of millions of Americans, freaked O'Bomber and his Socialist comrades and press morons out and turned Americans against O'BomberCare. And guess what acoustic? Americans are still against O'BomberCare and want the whole damned thing repealed...a solid majority.

posted October 03, 2012 09:08 PM            

There you go again.

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It's always damaging to your credibility acoustic when you make statements which ARE NOT TRUE.

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Hmmm...that's super interesting, because in your post you go right along and do that very thing:

So, I asked you to produce the Palin quote where she did so...and you had to crawfish acoustic because you can't.

You didn't ask me to produce the Palin quote. You said, "Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner."

That isn't a question, nor did I "crawfish" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean).

Now, you'll forgive me if I believe my credibility stays perfectly in tact despite the gaffe of attributing Sarah Palin with the words of Conservatives4Palin with regard to trying to prove the universally discredited Palin idea of "death panels." That's a rather reasonable mistake by most people's standards.

Contrast, if you will, with your not credible article citing Steve Rattner as reason for proving Palin's "death panels (rationing)," when Rattner specifically said, "The problem is, the advisory board can’t propose reducing benefits (a k a rationing) or raising fees (another form of rationing), without which the spending target looms impossibly large." Incredible. Not credible at all whatsoever.

You keep telling me how smart Palin is, but I don't see you demonstrating it. I don't even really know if you're capable of judging who's smart. It doesn't chaffe. It doesn't do anything to me. Nor does it do anything to Obama. These are just fantasies.

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posted October 04, 2012 12:59 AM            

"You didn't ask me to produce the Palin quote. You said, "Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner."...acoustic

"Let me repeat for the fogged in one.
Sarah Palin didn't say a word about Steve Rattner.

Now "Fogged In" if you disagree with this, then go find a quote from "Sarah Palin" commenting on what Steve Rattner said."

posted October 04, 2012 10:43 AM            

The issue isn't whether Sarah Palin said it. It's that it was said at all by anyone.

You don't seem to have an answer for it, either. First, you were trying to defend it. Now you're trying to cling to your having changed the subject, which isn't substantive. No one cares who attributed Rattner with a defense of Palin's "death panels." The only relevant substance is that he obviously did not.