posted October 05, 2012 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Sorry to inject astro here (but the other election-themed thread I started in 2.0 got moved over to GU) ... the U.S. is coming to a point of crisis since it has its Sun in 13 deg Cancer, a degree that Uranus and Pluto will square (2014) for whoever gets elected (look to the date of 4/22/14 spec with that grand cross, and yes I'm fear mongering with this date but only to myself really since it's a theory). My stance remains that the loser in this election is the winner.

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posted October 06, 2012 12:32 PM            

There, you will find the nucleus of genius..the founders and later, Andrew Jackson who refused to let the nation disintegrate into north and south..along with some other policies like abolishing the central bank. Later, we find Abraham Lincoln at the helm of government who kept the union together.

At every turning point in history, the right man was on the scene to keep America growing until the US became the most powerful nation the world has ever known.

So, you can scoff and deny but history is not on your side. But then, you would have to know something about history to know that.

To whomever said God..paraphrasing here..God permitted the Inquisition so God must condone such things. That's one of the most ignorant statements I've seen here and I've seen plenty.

If you want to know what God thinks about human governments..in general, you'll find it in 1st Samuel 8:4-8:22. In those ancient days God himself was the King of ancient Israel and ruled through His Judges. But the people wanted a human King..like the other nations. God did not refuse them but he did have Samuel warn them of what was going to happen. You can look down through the pages of history and find that what God said was going to happen did happen and still is happening.

So, it's utter ignorance to blame God for the evil men do even if it's done in the name of God...by whatever name men happen to be using for God.

posted October 06, 2012 12:37 PM            

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So, it's utter ignorance to blame God for the evil men do even if it's done in the name of God...by whatever name men happen to be using for God.

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posted October 06, 2012 01:11 PM            

I am saying that God will not wait, forever, to avenge judgement on the world. Read revelation. That stuff is not symbolic, Peeps. That stuff is the real deal.

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posted October 06, 2012 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Sorry to inject astro here (but the other election-themed thread I started in 2.0 got moved over to GU) ... the U.S. is coming to a point of crisis since it has its Sun in 13 deg Cancer, a degree that Uranus and Pluto will square (2014) for whoever gets elected (look to the date of 4/22/14 spec with that grand cross, and yes I'm fear mongering with this date but only to myself really since it's a theory). My stance remains that the loser in this election is the winner.

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I looked for the thread but didn`t find it. Anyone seen it?

posted October 06, 2012 02:13 PM            

we kill babies in other ways besides abortion, ami, and if you protest that YOU have not dropped any bombs, you thoroughly SUPPORT the dropping of bombs on the babies of others whom you depict as MONSTERS...human beings...

we are NOT UNIQUE in being god's children. EVERYONE is god's children, and many other places have enjoyed "charmed lives" for much longer than we have.

not blaming "god" here, nor do i see god as the jealous, angry, petty old man with a beard in the sky who grants favours to some and punishes others.

we do that to ourselves.

posted October 06, 2012 02:49 PM            

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[b]Hey, everyone hates it but we kill babies( abortion). We allow things which God hates( many things) God will not allow this, forever

we kill babies in other ways besides abortion, ami, and if you protest that YOU have not dropped any bombs, you thoroughly SUPPORT the dropping of bombs on the babies of others whom you depict as MONSTERS...human beings...

we are NOT UNIQUE in being god's children. EVERYONE is god's children, and many other places have enjoyed "charmed lives" for much longer than we have.

not blaming "god" here, nor do i see god as the jealous, angry, petty old man with a beard in the sky who grants favours to some and punishes others.

we do that to ourselves.

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You SURE use a lot of capitals. Imitation is the BEST form of flattery!

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posted October 06, 2012 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
I wasn't talking about you Ami! I know what you meant.

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Of course,I know that Jwhop. You stand in the small gap between my sanity on some days

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posted October 06, 2012 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have no idea what you are talking about, Pixie. I said what I thought, in as clear of a way, as I could.
Blessings to you

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posted October 07, 2012 10:22 AM            

and thanks, ami, i didn't realize you were so keen to imitate/flatter me. when you try to reverse that remember i have been here longer than you, and i have always used capitals for emphasis...so much quicker than [][][][][][][].....

posted October 07, 2012 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
no, no one has blamed god here for the evil men do, however several of us have pointed out that god is used as an EXCUSE for perpetrating evil. and then congratulating oneself for being on "god's side" - god being omnipotent, omniscient and OMNIPRESENT, does not have SIDES.

and thanks, ami, i didn't realize you were so keen to imitate/flatter me. when you try to reverse that remember i have been here longer than you, and i have always used capitals for emphasis...so much quicker than [][][][][][][].....

however i am allergic to flattery unless it is not only sincere but comes from the right reasons.

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posted October 07, 2012 11:59 AM            

Really? No one said that? Really? No one put God on the side of evil? Really?

Well then, to draw that conclusion, one must not believe there was anything evil about the Inquisition.

So God was fine with the Inquisition (those nations are mostly doing well today, especially as religion faded to the background).

posted October 07, 2012 12:08 PM            

so now we are going to claim that only protestants are on the right path to god? i thought those places had all been taken over by hellbent atheist socialists? but pixie jane included the atrocities carried out right here in the us of a in THE NAME OF GOD and CHRISTIANITY,,

the catholic church is actually run out of the Vatican, which is not rome. it is its own state.

posted October 07, 2012 02:06 PM            

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[...] And, just for your information..since you don't seem to know, religion has hardly faded into the background in Italy, or Spain or Portugal or any of the other heavily influenced Catholic nations in Europe.

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source wikipedia:

Same-sex marriage in Spain has been legal since July 3, 2005.

Same-sex marriage has been legal in Portugal since 5 June 2010.

In France, In August 2012, Prime Minister Ayrault annouced the bill to legalize same-sex marriage will be introduced to the National Assembly and the Senate in October 2012.

On 1 June 2003, Belgium became the second country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage.

Civil partnerships in Ireland, granted under the Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act 2010, give same-sex couples rights and responsibilities similar, but not equal to, civil marriage.

Italy is the only western european catholic country that hasn't officially recognise gay's right to marry or at the very least to a form of civil union. however:

abortion in Italy became legal in May 1978, when Italian women were allowed to terminate a pregnancy on demand during the first 90 days. [...] Italian women are eligible to request an abortion for health, economic or social reasons, including the circumstances under which conception occurred. Abortions are performed free-of-charge in public hospitals or in private structures authorized by the regional health authorities. The law also allows termination in the second trimester of the pregnancy only when the life of the woman would be at risk if the pregnancy is carried to term or the fetus carries genetic or other serious malformations which would put the mother at risk of serious psychological or physical consequences. [...] Although the law only permits pregnancy termination to women at least eighteen years old, it also includes provisions for women younger than eighteen.

I think Europe is over religion. In France it was in 1905 that the law that separates the republic from religion was passed. since then, religion is PRIVATE MATTER.

God is not always where we expect it. Some do the jihad, others name/cite it...

I would not want to discuss the love of God. I just reacted to the words that religion had hardly faded into the background in Europe. it's false. however spiritual love has spread when religious dogma has indeed faded in europeans societies.

posted October 08, 2012 11:07 AM            

If you say it..you own it. Expect to get called on it and have to defend it...Period.

pire...I didn't mention France...deliberately so.

But anyone who thinks the Catholic Church..Catholic religion is dead in Italy, Spain and Protugal..because of "government policy", needs to re-think the reality.

posted October 08, 2012 11:48 AM            

which WOULD explain how you, who don't actually have any firsthand knowledge of the places you talk about are sooo sure you know better than the folk who live there what the residents think and feel?

posted October 08, 2012 12:16 PM            

I'm unaware that pire lives in Italy, Spain or Portugal. Do you have different information katatonic?

Your attempted point that I think or thought the Catholic Church rules over the government(s) is off point. I don't.

However, one need look no further than the US..right here at home to find states and the federal government adopting policies over the objections of their citizens.

Let's take gay marriage for instance..shall we; since it was already brought up as a marker as how far Europeans have moved away from the Catholic Church.

Every single time gay marriage has been put on the ballot to be voted on by the people in any state, gay marriage lost. Got it, gay marriage lost. Yet, gay marriage is legal in some states because state governments bypassed the people and passed it by legislative fiat.

posted October 08, 2012 12:32 PM            

not interested in that as proof of anything. when people vote for a constitution that gives equal rights to all it is the govts responsibility to see that applies to ALL, not just the majority or those the majority considers deserving.

posted October 08, 2012 12:45 PM            

And thank you for the admission that pire does not live in Italy, Spain or Portugal so you were just blowing more hot air.

Oh and katatonic, you did accuse me of mistaking you for the person who accused God of condoning evil. Want to see what you said to me. How could you forget so quickly katatonic? Ready or not katatonic, here it is.

"well it wasn't i who said it but by that standard, jwhop, i will have to accept that you really ARE a shapeshifting lizard alien..."...katatonic

posted October 08, 2012 12:46 PM            

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Thank you for the admission you're just blowing hot air out through your lower orifice katatonic and have no proof of anything...your usual.

And thank you for the admission that pire does not live in Italy, Spain or Portugal so you were just blowing more hot air.

Oh and katatonic, you did accuse me of mistaking you for the person who accused God of condoning evil. Want to see what you said to me. How could you forget so quickly katatonic? Ready or not katatonic, here it is.

[b]"well it wasn't i who said it but by that standard, jwhop, i will have to accept that you really ARE a shapeshifting lizard alien..."...katatonic

Now try to get a grip katatonic. You appear to be slipping over the edge. And btw, it was W who was the shape shifting reptilian space alien. Do I have to keep everything straight for you?[/B]

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