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jwhop
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posted October 23, 2012 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You argument is both stupid and untrue acoustic.

Getting caught in so transparent an attempt to pull numbers out of your butt...none of which apply to the real world...is stupid...as well as being untrue.

Just admit your Marxist Messiah O'Bomber pays women less than men and has been doing so for years and I'll stop kicking your butt..over this issue!

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posted October 23, 2012 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Claiming that there's an issue with what I'm saying without an attempt at proving that averaging salaries amounts to showing the conclusion gained by a side-by-side comparison of people in the same position is nonsense. You're like Ami at this point: a person with an opinion that refuses to put forth a reasonable argument.

Meanwhile, the logic behind my position is indisputable. The easy math in this case is immutable.

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posted October 23, 2012 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab World. It's their route to the sea..."

- mitt romney

anyone seen a map of the middle east yet? did you swallow this garbage along with the rest?

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posted October 23, 2012 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Averaging salaries is the only way to compare salaries among a wide group of disparate men and women.

Any idiot could figure that out. Why can't you acoustic?

But that doesn't get us past your other stupidity of making numbers up to bolster your own idiotic argument.

And, the fact remains, the fact has been credibly reported on by different reporters that...O'BOMBER PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN MEN AND HAS DONE SO FOR YEARS.

Bullshiiit won't overcome the facts acousitc...as you've found in all your other encounters with me. Facts rule and bullshiiit walks.

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posted October 23, 2012 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Averaging salaries is the only way to compare salaries among a wide group of disparate men and women.
Any idiot could figure that out. Why can't you acoustic?

When we talk about equal pay, it's ALWAYS in the context of equal pay for equal work. What "any idiot" can figure out is that averaging salaries won't address equal pay for equal work.

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But that doesn't get us past your other stupidity of making numbers up to bolster your own idiotic argument.

There is nothing stupid whatsoever about illustrating how averaging salaries fails to address the issue of equal pay for equal work. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

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And, the fact remains, the fact has been credibly reported on by different reporters that...O'BOMBER PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN MEN AND HAS DONE SO FOR YEARS.

No, that "fact" doesn't remain. It hasn't been credibly reported by different reporters. What's happened is that Conservatives found a way to spin numbers to fool people like you into believing that Obama's administration pays women less. That's all. A successful citation of disparate pay would include equally qualified people getting paid different amounts, and in this case would have to include both genders.

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posted October 23, 2012 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Averaging salaries is the only way to compare salaries among a wide group of disparate men and women.

Any idiot could figure that out. Why can't you acoustic?

But that doesn't get us past your other stupidity of making numbers up to bolster your own idiotic argument.

And, the fact remains, the fact has been credibly reported on by different reporters that...[b]O'BOMBER PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN MEN AND HAS DONE SO FOR YEARS.

Bullshiiit won't overcome the facts acousitc...as you've found in all your other encounters with me. Facts rule and bullshiiit walks.[/B]


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posted October 23, 2012 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Argument is to determine who is right.
Discussion is to determine what is right.

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posted October 23, 2012 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Argument is to determine who is right.
Discussion is to determine what is right."...Linda Jones

Granting for the sake of argument that's right; acoustic and the usual suspects lose both sides. They're not right, they're wrong. And, they have no concept of what IS right.

As a matter of general principles, I would say people..regardless of gender, should be paid salaries based on their experience, time in/on the job and MERIT. I can see no set of circumstances whereby women should not receive equal treatment in the workplace. Yet, the biggest offenders of underpaying women are also the loudest screechers, howlers, whiners and shriekers over women's pay. That puts them right at the top of my hypocrites list.

Contentions The War on Women at MSNBC
Jonathan S. Tobin
10.18.2012

As Bethany noted earlier this afternoon, the White House’s hypocrisy about the treatment of women gives the lie to their criticisms of Mitt Romney’s “binders” comment at the presidential debate. But the administration isn’t the only liberal entity that has not been practicing what they are preaching about equal pay for equal work. During an interview broadcast today on her “Andrea Mitchell Reports” show on the MSNBC network, Mitchell admitted that men are paid more than women at the hardline liberal outlet.

While interviewing Romney advisor Barbara Comstock about the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the following exchange took place:

“I mean for Lilly Ledbetter, this was not just a legal issue,” Mitchell said. “This was the fact that she was not permitted to sue for equal pay because the statute had ran out and the law said if you didn’t know the men you were working with were making more money, which many of us don’t know, we don’t have access to those confidential —

“We know here at MSNBC the guys get paid more,” Comstock jumped in, laughing. “We know that.”

“We certainly do,” Mitchell replied.

“So this is one of the places where you need to be a little bit more public with it,” Comstock said.

As, Politico reported, at the close of the interview, Comstock returned to the issue.

“You get after MSNBC here, Andrea,” Comstock said. “Make sure the women make the same here.”

“Thank you very much,” Mitchell replied.

Mitchell later issued a statement to Politico saying it was all a misunderstanding: “I was referring to the industry as a whole. This remark has been taken out of context.”

Like heck it was. This is just another illustration of how liberal concern for women is often nothing more than mere posturing. Mitchell has already compromised her integrity in this campaign by becoming just another liberal talking head, and was even outed as a shrill partisan by the Democrats when they included her misleading post-debate comment about Romney’s tax plan in an ad. But even she knows that taking potshots at Romney exposes MSNBC to criticism for its own “war on women.”

The much-vaunted Lilly Ledbetter Act is itself an example of this hypocritical behavior. Equal pay was already the law of the land before Obama signed it. Rather than an advance for women, the Act was a lollipop for the president’s trial lawyer bundlers. It was about making it easier for them to sue companies long after the statute of limitations had expired–meaning that it was about lawyers making money, not ordinary women seeking fair employment.

Mitt Romney is being roasted for his “binders” comment even though the anecdote in which it came up demonstrated that, unlike the president, the Republican candidate means what he says about treating all persons equally. Another point that is omitted from that discussion is that Romney didn’t need to be prodded to include women in his administration after the fact since he had already chosen a female, Kerry Healy, to be his lieutenant governor.

But don’t expect liberal talking heads on networks that don’t give equal pay to women for equal work to mention that.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/10/18/the-war-on-women-at-msnbc-andrea-mitchell-romney/

Right, don't expect O'Bomber or his usual suspect supporters to mention the fact O'Bomber pays women less for the same work and do expect the usual suspects to try to obscure the record of O'Bomber's unequal pay..less pay for women through the years.

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posted October 23, 2012 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You still haven't proven anything with regard to the Obama administration paying women any less.

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jwhop
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posted October 24, 2012 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The credible article I posted about O'Bomber paying women less over the years and through several positions O'Bomber holds and has held PROVES O'BOMBER PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN HE PAYS MEN.

The ability to read and comprehend what's being read is a great asset acoustic. Too bad you lack that ability.

So, all the diversionary tactics undertaken by O'Bomber to avoid talking about the real issues, which fall into the realm of O'Bomber's total incompetence in every metric of presidential governance point directly where I said these diversions point.

IT'S DESPERATION TIME AT THE O'BOMBER CAMPAIGN. O'Bomber keeps trotting out diversion after diversion to distract voters and keeps striking out.

Obama emphasis on “Binders” best sign yet for Romney
October 18, 2012
Philip Klein

....In the past two days, liberals have seized on the remarks and Obama has made the comment a part of his stump speech. “I don’t know if you were listening last night, but, see, we don’t have to order up some binders to find qualified, talented, driven young women to learn and teach and thrive and start businesses,” he said in Athens, Ohio on Wednesday. In Manchester, New Hampshire earlier today he said, “See, we don’t have to order up some binders to find qualified, talented, driven young women who can learn and excel in these fields right now."

The fact that Obama is making an issue of this suggests to me that his campaign is increasingly worried about signs that Romney is closing the gender gap, which would mean lights out for his reelection given Romney’s advantages among male voters....
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-emphasis-on-binders-best-sign-yet-for-romney/article/2511164#.UIGLKGfrSSo



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posted October 24, 2012 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You still haven't proven anything with regard to the Obama administration paying women any less.

You could have Einstein come back and prove the theory of relativity to you and you would say 'Prove it"

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posted October 24, 2012 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The credible article I posted about O'Bomber paying women less over the years and through several positions O'Bomber holds and has held PROVES O'BOMBER PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN HE PAYS MEN.

It would be likely in any scenario that one gender would be paid more than the other. No one's going to take the time to try to ensure the amount paid in salaries is equal between genders. That would be a ridiculous waste of time and effort.

As such, the administration overall paying men more than women isn't the issue. The only pay issue between genders is whether the two genders get paid equally for doing the same work. Your article didn't address that. Your article purposely set out to deceive gullible people into thinking that there was an equal pay discrepancy. That's not cool, and it's not exactly what most people would consider to be relevant.

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You could have Einstein come back and prove the theory of relativity to you and you would say 'Prove it"

Number one, I have no reason to believe Einstein and I wouldn't get along splendidly. Number two, you don't typically PROVE a THEORY. If you can prove it, it's not a theory.

Number three, and most importantly, why should proving something ever be considered overly burdensome? We're talking about things for which there are measurable facts. It's not too much to ask that people be accurate about the facts in play.

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posted October 24, 2012 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could agree that sometimes women..or men would be hired for less than is being made by others doing essentially the same work.

That's not true in O'Bomber's case. This is not inadvertence, this is a long standing pattern of routinely paying women less than men by O'Bomber.

And averaging salaries across a wide spectrum of jobs and comparing men's average salaries to women's average salaries is exactly the mechanism one should use to find the divergence...and underpayment of women who are or were employed by O'Bomber.

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posted October 24, 2012 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

    The figure comes with plenty of caveats. But it also speaks to how the issue of equal pay is at times more complicated than its champions portray. In the Obama White House, for instance, the difference appears to be not that women are routinely paid less than men for the same job -- but paid less because there's not as many women in the highest echelons as there are men.

    The records, for instance, show seven women in 2011 making the top salary of $172,200. Among them is one of Obama's closest confidants, senior adviser Valerie Jarrett. But there were 14 men making the top salary, including adviser David Plouffe who ran the president's 2008 campaign.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/19/women-in-obama-white-house-earn-less-than-men-amid-equal-pay-debate/#ixzz2AFgaXxgE

Even Fox ran the caveat to this illusion.

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