posted November 02, 2012 09:49 PM            

Guess what? We have Jerry dumb dumb Brown in charge and he allowed online registration for this election....Yup no way people can fake things in the comfort of their own homes, huh?

We will have more teenagers and college students voting. The newly registered kids are largely from hispanic backgrounds. (Yes, that was what the article said.) Hmm let me just guess, how this will turn out.

Fact is illegals in this state have ruined it. Yes, ruined it. There are more gangs in my neighborhood now and therefore more crime. I open the paper and every single time I see another hispanic person affiliated with a gang commiting crime or wanted and on the loose.

The sad thing is it ruins the better half of the hispanic community and their reputation/standing. I know a lot of educated Hispanics try to disassociate themselves from these morons. But it is too difficult because a lot of them know someone or another who is here illegally.

I was in the public library the other day and there was an announcement about immigration and information. An elderly white lady comes into the room and says her niece got pregnant with an illegals baby and wants to figure out how to let him stay here legally. The lady who was giving out the immigration info and who btw was Hispanic saw me and tried to hush that elderly lady up....She even told her to call her on a special number later. She then shooed her off.
Wow. Just wow. No favoritism and illegal business there, huh?

My dad actually owns a business in Mexio, and the people he meets are engineers and skilled workers. Lots of them want to come to the States and have a file with the US immigration service. What I find so unfair is that they are honest and deserving and the messed up twisted government makes them wait years and years...while the uneducated and worthless ones just waltz over here and damn rights and services.

Pis ses me off. I mean these people are EDUCATED and they are doing the RIGHT thing. If anything they should be allowed to get here sooner but no....not in this messed up country.

I dislike illegals so much. I dont are what olor or race. I dont care if that person was a martian. Seriously have zero sympathy for them. They are all over the area waiting on the corner and doing illegal jobs at a fraction of the regular US wage but still better than what they would have received in Mexio. And when I see them I think of all the people they bring with them.

There are so many chinese and indian illegals here. They dont end up on street corners or in the fields but they take the engineering jobs and work on the down low at shops. How do they end up plopping here? Wth is our CIA and FBI doing but fiddling their thumbs?! You dont think that any of the illegals could potentially be a drug dealer, sex offender, spy for another nation, or a terrorist?????? How the heck is letting this continue any good for the survival of this nation? (btw, I am of East Indian decent.) It pis ses me off that they can just come here and get a free ride with the silly Dream Act, or they can get free services at the clinic.

The churches in my area are such horrid enablers though. They think that they are helping illegals, and what they do is so righteous but in the end they end up harming honest hard working people of this area. If we had no illegals we would be able to donate to kids who might have broken families. But when we start harboring illegals it is a neverending story. Why is any religious organization above the damn law? Is that what it means to be a religious person? Take from the mouths of one and feed it the thieves? Is that what they are teaching? If they wanted to help people in those respective nations, they could just GO there and visit and donate their time and resources. Why the eff do we as taxpayers have to take the bulk of this bill? I feel so hopelessly enslaved. No matter where you look there is another person breaking the law and grinning.

It is soo annoying that public officials would take the side of an illegal over people who are here legally. It is so unjust. I hate it. I blame the people who allow this to continue.

Now with these new registered voters clearly in favor of illegal immigration....we are screwed. My vote and any other honest citizen;s vote does not count, at least not in California.

I hate religious fanatics but I hate liberal and illogial fanatics even more. Gotta vote republicans in this time,even if my vote no longer means a damn thing.

I think that the deficit would be closed if we fined those religious institution that support anything illegal. They should not be NGOS. They should be taxed at a higher rate.

posted November 02, 2012 10:07 PM            

Maybe instead of handing out freebies through the Dream Act he could have used that money to invest in schools.

Why cant governemnt officials work within their budget and means?

In LA we had some random mayor take a pay check for 700,000 flipping dollars! How did he get away with that?!? Was there no oversight? Obviously not by Brown!

This was a salary so it wasnt even that he was hiding it. He was taking...milking the state with the state knowing about it!

That means he made more than the president, who only makes 400,000 in straight salary.

Has anyone actually been to a state meeting? Do you know how much food they have available? Their Christmas parties?! Omg....If the state has no money then maybe just maybe they should stop acting as if they do. I cant believe that there are allowances to such silly things.

Brown even has the silly unions that siphon off their member;s paycheck to his campaign.
They tell people no force them to believe that Brown is giving back. Please. He is a career politician...he has NO good bone in his body. He is a fraud. And he even called Meg Whitman a c u n t. That sounds respectful and professional huh?

And yet, at the end of the day, idiots produe more kids and there for more Democratic votes.

posted November 02, 2012 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
when you vote for the first time, or if your address has changed since your last vote, you must bring a driver's license or suitable OFFICIAL ID to vote. therefore online registration is a complete non-issue as you are trying to present it, dreaming.

as to your hatred for blocks of people you don't know, i have nothing to say except that there are gangs of every race, and they are all illegal by definition.

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posted November 02, 2012 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:

as to your hatred for blocks of people you don't know, i have nothing to say except that there are gangs of every race, and they are all illegal by definition.

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posted November 03, 2012 10:51 AM            

Illegels have been a problem for eons and the problem won`t be solved quickly.

Perhaps instead of wasting energy hating, work within your community to garner votes and encourage the changes you need. You are not alone and many voices are more powerful than one.

posted November 03, 2012 11:40 AM            

All I see is an economic issue, crime stems from poverty I think, not culural origines or "papers"

posted November 03, 2012 01:22 PM            

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All I see is an economic issue, crime stems from poverty I think, not culural origines or "papers"

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posted November 03, 2012 02:04 PM              

in fact all our indigenous people wonder what the tarnation you are getting so indignant about. ever heard about the Trail of Tears? read US history, which still lets out the secret that the colonists found this land INHABITED and dispensed with the original inhabitants in any way they could?

as to the "class" of these illegals, this country has been built on the backs of those who would work for the least wages.

posted November 03, 2012 02:05 PM              

dreaming - i live in california too. perhaps you have never heard of the various mafiae in this country. organized crime. it, and it's less sophisticated corollary, exists all over the world.

posted November 03, 2012 02:41 PM            

Also, this land was then not native amerians either because they too migrated from Asia. Bering Strait...History Geography anyone? Probably you would like to discredit this if it goes against your ideology and stance. But one can never refute the truth. Never.

If we look at present day Mexico then there was an influx of Spaniards and Portugese that STOLE land from the Native Americans. (If I were to assume that it ever belonged to the Natives Americans.) Remember too that native americans never had a philosophy of land ownership.

It is just moot to debate that this land belonged to so and so.

In modern day, EVERY single nation has a fixed border to ensure equal distribution of resourses, safety, sanity of a group. EVERYONE has a place of origin in present day. As the people of that nation PAY for the roads, schools, structure. Who are you or anyone to say that what they sow they must not reap? Like the ant and grasshopper, who is anyone to say that the ant is the bad guy for working his butt off to create profit and since hte grasshopper isnt doing that they can mooch off the ant;s hardwork. No. That is soooo wrong on soooo many levels.

If borders were so irrelevant then why do we have them in ANY nation? Why crib on the States for trying to enforce its own borders?

What do the Mexians do to the illegals in their nation? Do any of you read the news about this occurences? I will post later about this.

What kind of chaos would we have if there is no systematic regulation of people? It is ridiculous that people think that life is anything like the fairytales. We have terrorists, gangs, murders, torture, corruption, favoritism, and spies. How do you safeguard against that with out some oversight?

How would you prevent that if you keep a blind eye to who is coming into your own home?

Why do people automatically assume that the illegals are soo innocent and cutesy people?

Are they cute when they run people over while drunk. In my own neighborhood not a mile from my house did an illegal kill a 56 year old, retired man out on a joyride on his motorycle. There was no traffic nothing. The illegal was DRUNK! What happened to him? He is absconding....Is this justice? Is this the kind of people who you think are so cutesy? Do you think that even with amnesty we need idiots like that in our country? Please. Let us get real here.

The sympathizers for illegals have some sort of incentive or agenda it seems in doing so. Usually it is because htey make a handsome profit with their special interest groups, businesses that cater to them, or they have relatives who are illegals. There is no *oh we are all humans lets hold hands and sing kumbayah.*

posted November 03, 2012 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
IQ, pire..

dreaming - i live in california too. perhaps you have never heard of the various mafiae in this country. organized crime. it, and it's less sophisticated corollary, exists all over the world.

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I dont are for the mafia either. Why do you assume that I would be swayed by your argument that since there is a system of criminals then this is illegal issue is actually a nonissue. Just because there were pedophiles in the past is it ok to have them now? What an illogical argument you present.

I am all for justice and fair play. I feel we need to clean the mess up. How is any of that wrong?

posted November 03, 2012 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
the really funny thing, dreaming, is that most of those "illegals" consider YOU, the newcomer, to be more illegal than they are. THEIR ancestors were chased out of the place you are now claiming as your own.

in fact all our indigenous people wonder what the tarnation you are getting so indignant about. ever heard about the Trail of Tears? read US history, which still lets out the secret that the colonists found this land INHABITED and dispensed with the original inhabitants in any way they could?

as to the "class" of these illegals, this country has been built on the backs of those who would work for the least wages.

and maybe you don't see any ITALIAN gangs, they have learned to look respectable, as have the chinese gangs, the russian gangs, the irish gangs, and all the other BLOCKS of IMMIGRANTS who had to find whatever way possible to survive in the face of superior people who had already gained their footing and DIDN"T WANT TO LET IN ANY NEWCOMERS for fear of losing their place.

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If you actually paid attention to history or if you would stop picking and choosing history as it fits your argument, you would have known that most native americans at one time crossed the bering strait from ASIA. SO if you want to play that game of who owns what....then ASIAN have more right. But since I am for fair play, I say those that come here fairly, honestly and pay for this society should be valued members of this country.

Fact is I hate illegal immigration in ANY country. How is that for ya? Why should anyone have the balls to waltz into someone else;s home. I see that as fundementally unjust.

posted November 03, 2012 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
It is a hot button topic and may we discuss it without rancor.

Illegels have been a problem for eons and the problem won`t be solved quickly.

Perhaps instead of wasting energy hating, work within your community to garner votes and encourage the changes you need. You are not alone and many voices are more powerful than one.

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Thanks you are right. I just get so wound up when I see things that are unfair and affront to decency and honesty.

I feel like there is a large segment that will agree with my stance in this state, even liberals.

posted November 03, 2012 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
It is an unfortunate situation about illegal immigrant gangs but back in the 16th century, it was very much an "illegal immigration" foisted on the Native Americans, with armed gangs from Europe overrunning millions and millions of Native Americans.
The Earth is a Living Being and every geography will play out cycles of Karma until every human being "component" of Earth looks within.

What part of you attracted illegal gangs to a place near you? When this question is answered, and the problem resolved, you will see positive change. The illegal immigrant may leave or even give up illegal activity.

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The area I live in, one half is well to do, low crime. The other half is low income housing. I think the main issue is that the city south of us is packed with illegals and they get a chance to work for higher wages in this area. So they come up here. Of course there will be groups that want to live in this neighborhood and end up in the other half of the city. You know there have been innocent girls shot at in my area. One girl even died. The girls were hispanic and so were the gangs. But these girls were totally innocent. They were simply walking back to wait for their ride. They were not affiliated with gangs and were only 12-15.

What was their crime? Just for innocently walking down a sidewalk? The gang membders riddled their bodies with bullets because they mistook them for a rival gang. WTH!

Little girls in a gang? They werent even dressed that way.

Both groups are hispanic....Now tell me how can I be considered unfair to hispanics if in the end I support the good and decent ones? I have been saying again and again. I hate injustice, I hate illegals of any race, religion. To me illegals = injustice.

All these gang members do is work to sell drugs, cause crime and up their numbers. recently in a sting sooo many illegals were captured in those gangs. Now you tell me....how is any of this to the benefit of the state of nation?

posted November 03, 2012 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
I am shocked by the Original Post. I just needed to share it.
we have the same arguments in france, about people from maghreb.

All I see is an economic issue, crime stems from poverty I think, not culural origines or "papers"

It is a shame to dead this on Lindaland. A shame

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SO what would you argument aka solution be to that? Should we start paying people in other countries ot stay out of ours? Should we take it out of you mom and dad;s salary? Should we force one group to pay for the next? Should we give these people in france amnesty a cosy bed? Ok then what about the next group that comes to your country knocking? Ok amnesty for them too. Then what about the next group? Then the next? When do you see it stopping? Would your country be able to support more unskilled workers? Because a majority of skilled and educated workers prefer to go through a legal process.

Should their govenment be responsible for their own people? Why are they not investing in their own people and allowing them to be in that situation where they end up on someone else;s footsteps? So now you government should pay for their government? I mean pay to educate their government? Out of whose pocket? .....Exactly. Have you been to a third world country?

The solution to povery is no freebie or criminality or even to pamper people who selet criminality. The solution is for them to take responsibility and for the government to push education and jobs.

posted November 03, 2012 03:23 PM              

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Fact is I hate illegal immigration in ANY country. How is that for ya? Why should anyone have the balls to waltz into someone else;s home. I see that as fundementally unjust.

Do you let vagrants waltz into your house? Eat your food, take medicines from your cabinet, watch tv in your house? Please. You would have a hissy fit if that were the case. All I see is narrow-mindedness disguised with the bravado of being open-minded. All I see is people being hypocritical.

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For someone who preaches logic and rationality, you seem to only exemplify the trappings of incredibly biased and detrimentally fixed thinking. California is going down the toilet? Really. Well Dreaming111, why don't you take action. Get involved, organize a movement to save California from becoming a part of our sewage system instead of complaining about the state of immigration. You have consistently contradicted yourself in many of the arguments you've made on this thread.

posted November 03, 2012 03:29 PM            

Look at the plight of the Gypsies or the Rohingyas. They are legal citizens treated as illegals. They do not want to immigrate and yet are persecuted. On the other hand, Hispanics immigrate, legally or illegally, and work very hard for less. 1% take to crime, and this has to be stopped.
The non-criminals will not need to immigrate if the US Spooks come clean on all the Drug Deals and Protection given to "informants" in Colombia, Nicaragua, Chile, Mexico etc.

Gitmo for even suspected Islamists, but full freedom to select billionaire drug barons and their gangsters/cartels is guaranteed by the CIA. Occupation of Iraq in the name of democracy but support for the destabilization of elected government in Chile, that leads to thousands of deaths?
Hush Hush about Monsanto's crimes [Agent Orange] but an ordinary American has to fear IRS for the slightest accounting error?
War Veterans sprayed with deadly chemicals get no benefits but Wall Street gets bailouts?

There are scores of imbalance karmic cycles ravaging USA [from the 'Trail of Tears' to the modern age], and illegal immigration is but one of the reactions. Obesity, Cancer, Depression, FDA, AMA, IRS are all symptoms of the imbalance.

Only going to the core of the problems will help. Blames, Anger, Hatred, Rants... ZERO Results. The Illegals will keep coming. Illegal activities will keep occurring.

posted November 03, 2012 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
For someone who preaches logic and rationality, you seem to only exemplify the trappings of incredibly biased and detrimentally fixed thinking. California is going down the toilet? Really. Well Dreaming111, why don't you take action. Get involved, organize a movement to save California from becoming a part of our sewage system instead of complaining about the state of immigration. You have consistently contradicted yourself in many of the arguments you've made on this thread.

Get over yourself and do something instead of forcing all of GU to endure your rants. The point of this thread was portrayed as a criticism of California's state of an affairs when really it was meant to be a disturbing attack on immigrants. Where are your sources? If you don't cite anything, we can only assume these are your own deeply resentful viewpoints. What proof do you have that these immigrants are illegal? Do you work in an immigration office? My goodness, there is so much 'hate' in this thread. I mean you mention "I hate" like 50 times.

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Show me one place where I contradicted myself. The proof is in the papers. All one needs to do is google it. The only reason why I am not putting up those artiles is because it gives away whre I live. But you could google. DUI illegal and death...Or
Illegal immigration scam. Illegal immigration fraud. Illegal immigration and california to see what I mean.

The proof is out there. Unfortunately for some people who want criminality to be praised they choose to turn a blind eye to it. They instead want to make excuses.

Tell me. What is a good reason for illegal unskilled un educated workers to be here?

I would love to know.

Also this is not a rant on immigration. My family are majority first generation immigrants! Omg, I cant believe you try to use low blows to get people to believe you.

I have been saying throughout my entire thread that immigration is GOOD. That LEGALLY immigration is GREAT. But I doubt that someone with your attitude would actually read that. You like things to be black and white right?

If I hate illegals that makes me a racist, anti-immigration and some evangelical. I am NONE OF THE ABOVE!

I am speaking on behalf of justice and fair play. Things in california and being played out unfairly. The fact that illegals can sign up for this election....because Brown decided at the ninth hour to allow online registration....is what I am ****** about. Everything ties in: illegals, california going down the toilet.

I hope now you will be able to comprehend what I have actually written as opposed to making things up.

posted November 03, 2012 04:14 PM            

I am a very spiritual person, though not religiously fanatical. But I have helped those in need when they deserved that help and care. I work in a profession where I have to help sick people get better every single day. I started a foundation to help people with disabilities in a thrid work country get a fair shake. I raised money for blood transfusions, operations, hand propelled tricycles for amputees.

To say that because I dont believe in illegals squatting means that I am not spiritual and not someone who has sympathy for those down and out is ridiculous and rude. I have actually gone out and helped people up.

Most importantly I did so fairly without harm to anyone else.

Look at the plight of the Gypsies or the Rohingyas. They are legal citizens treated as illegals.

Gypsies have roots in India many historians say that they are Indians. I am of East Indian heritage and when I was in Italy all the tour guides told us that we should stay away from their likes. I was only 17 at the time, I didnt understand why. But the tour guides said that they huddle in groups and then steal from tourists. You wouldnt know what hit you until it happens. My brother in law was stolen from, though there is no way to blame anyone for it. I can understand why they are marginalized. Also in recent history they do squat on land. I see that as offensive. Yes, they have no right to mooch off any other government other than the one they came from or are of legal status of.

They do not want to immigrate and yet are persecuted.

If they dont want to immigrate then what are they doing in countries other than their own?

On the other hand, Hispanics immigrate, legally or illegally, and work very hard for less.

So hispanic engineers, lawyers, businessmen and doctors work for less? Really?

What do you mean that legal hispanics get paid less? I feel that is really false.

Illegals that come here should not even expect a single penny, anything above that should be considered their good fortune.

1% take to crime, and this has to be stopped.

I dont understand what has to be stopped? And where do you get 1%? If these people are illegal there is no record of them and therefore.....no way to apply mathematics to the situation.

The non-criminals will not need to immigrate if the US Spooks come clean on all the Drug Deals and Protection given to "informants" in Colombia, Nicaragua, Chile, Mexico etc.

Gitmo for even suspected Islamists, but full freedom to select billionaire drug barons and their gangsters/cartels is guaranteed by the CIA. Occupation of Iraq in the name of democracy but support for the destabilization of elected government in Chile, that leads to thousands of deaths?
Hush Hush about Monsanto's crimes [Agent Orange] but an ordinary American has to fear IRS for the slightest accounting error?
War Veterans sprayed with deadly chemicals get no benefits but Wall Street gets bailouts?

Totally agree with you on every point. It is our own people who because of greed, corruption and cover ups allow such things to happen.

We could instead allow more immigration from skilled workers from every nation. But because people get paid of and benefit from under the table dealings illegal immigration is allowed.

There are scores of imbalance karmic cycles ravaging USA [from the 'Trail of Tears' to the modern age], and illegal immigration is but one of the reactions. Obesity, Cancer, Depression, FDA, AMA, IRS are all symptoms of the imbalance.

Only going to the core of the problems will help. Blames, Anger, Hatred, Rants... ZERO Results. The Illegals will keep coming. Illegal activities will keep occurring.

I agree, but honestly I am at a loss with what to do. I wrote to the state govenor, but no reply. I wrote 2 times, nothing.

I dont associate 100% with republican or democrats. So I dont have any contacts.