posted November 10, 2012 11:28 AM            

So I have nothing to celebrate with his re-election, and disagree with any sentiment that there is something wrong with those of us who see no cause for celebration.

We are being realistic and holding to principle. I find that more enjoyable than participating in orchestrated dramas about a leader's greatness, his triumphing against little minds, his forcing Donald Trump to eat crow, etcetera and so forth.

His ostensibly noble speeches are mere words, they are NOT more important than the record of his deeds, and those deeds have shown a fundamental disrespect for human life and the rule of law.

posted November 10, 2012 12:16 PM            

About Pakistan, they can shoot down drones IF they have proof of danger to civilians or their soldiers, and in this case there won't be retaliation.
In any case, Retaliation by US Forces is only if a Human Pilot or Marine is threatened. The Drone is just a machine.

The strategy is different for "Enemy" Iran and "Ally" Pakistan. Pak chooses not to because they want the deaths too, to keep the NWF tribals under submission, and use the tragedies for leverage later on.

A new chess match has started. Petreaus kicked out. Ultimate proof of a positive change. He is the Drone booster Guru, wanted drone attacks on Yemen as well. He is alleged to have messed up Benghazi as well.

Let us see more chess moves. Hillary may be shunted out, promised a shot at 2016. Mahmoud Abbas and Hamid Karzai may get more prominence. Some financial action expected from Bank of Japan and Chinese Banks. China NEEDS a prosperous US else their dollar bonds are junk. Turkey may get special status to ease the Syrian Crisis.
Excessive congrats already sent from India, Obama may revisit. Myanmar will be strengthened as a democracy. Saudis will be kept on a tight leash. Very strong positive relationship will start with Latin America.

I predict a successful recovery in Jan 3 2013, with no worries from the fiscal cliff.

However, if that fails, and there is another gridlock, ok, then its a long haul. It will be another 1000 nasty posts against Obama...

posted November 10, 2012 01:21 PM            

Yes I think the Prez is a good man. I don't think he walks on water, but he's a good man who wants to see this country progress and move forward. And I'm glad he's a politician or else he wouldn't be in the White House. I'm not in favor of drone attacks, but I'm trusting that the Prez will put an end to them.

For those who cannot and do not feel this trust, I suggest you write to him expressing your thoughts on this matter. He's already said, more than once, since the election, that he wants to do what the people want. And it's been said that he sits up till 1-2 am every night reading letters from people. Anyway, that would be my suggestion to constructively handle this matter.

Thanks, iQ for giving a more global political perspective.

I for one, want to maintain my optimism. Being optimistic doesn't mean I won't remain vigilant to what's going on around me or that I'll lose my critical faculties. It just means that I won't take my eyes off the prize ... that I can accomplish much more through faith and optimism (while remaining realistic).

"Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty, believe in them, and try to follow where they lead." ~ Louisa May Alcott

posted November 10, 2012 01:29 PM            

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There is a basic human decency of grace under defeat and congratulating a fair winner, someone elected by tens of millions of fellow citizens.

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Are you saying I lack human decency because I just don't even care about "winning"?

Is that decent? Do the supposed victors get to tromple the "losers" by dictating how they should be talking about Obama? How would you have liked being told that it wasn't graceful of you to mention Romney's flaws, given that so many people also voted for him?

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Originally posted by iQ:
Mature heads should not sulk, hate nor suffer a sore loser attitude.

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Who did? As for me, I didn't lose anything, I still have my principles, and that's all I need. I don't live vicariously through candidates.

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Originally posted by iQ:
A new chess match has started. Petreaus kicked out. Ultimate proof of a positive change. He is the Drone booster Guru, wanted drone attacks on Yemen as well.

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Do you have the special privilege of whipping things up from your imagination and passing them off as credible facts on this forum, due to your presumed expertise in astrological matters?

But perhaps you will allow that some of us are intent on proof for assertions like, "He was the drone guru." I would have links for you, to corroborate my point, if I were arguing something like that. But maybe you don't think our mentality is even worthy of appealing to with mere logic and substantiating links?

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Originally posted by iQ:
It will be another 1000 nasty posts against Obama...

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Are we talking about Obama here or the curious environment of GU2, in which extreme nastiness has been tolerated, so long as it's couched in political commentary? Two separate issues that I wish people could keep separate.

posted November 10, 2012 01:50 PM            

And yes I trust the Prez, much more so than a lot of people here, and want to send him good, positive vibes, because that is what's going to help him in accomplishing what we, as a people want. Isn't that what your signature also implies?

Besides, a leader (whether of a nation or a small organization) would want a certain level of trust from his people. Wouldn't you? And wouldn't you as head of LL feel more inspired to do your best for the members if you were confident that you had their trust rather than their vitriol?

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Originally posted by Randall:
I call it Ostrich Syndrome. The cure is simple; just flex your neck muscles upward.

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K, will do so the next time I catch myself thinking wishfully. Atm I'm not, but thanks for the advice

posted November 10, 2012 02:23 PM            

Seriously? People buy that stuff? Does he also spend his precious, limited spare time hand-writing letters to orphans? (Don't tell me, the answer is "Maybe!")

posted November 10, 2012 02:23 PM            

That`s throwing the baby out with the bath water.

There are issues that need addressed and the whooping it up on the election results is not going to address them.

Lets look at what Obama has accomplished, as he promised 4 years ago, and go from there. The facts will talk for them selves, yes?

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The Drone is just a machine.

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Just a machine with a human at the helm of it`s operating system. THAT human has blood on his/her hands.

See how quickly this can spin out of control?

Let us please work through this transition together . We don`t agree on much but we can be factual and kind while working through it.

posted November 10, 2012 02:27 PM            

At least I got you to grin even if for just a tiny bit. That's a huge start!

You see? I'm an incurable optimist which, in current times is not just a syndrome, it's a veritable disease

posted November 10, 2012 02:38 PM            

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Let us please work through this transition together . We don`t agree on much but we can be factual and kind while working through it.

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Yes absolutely! And more laughter, pleeeeze!!

Politics is one subject that has so many laughs in it. Surely we can drag some of that in here.

posted November 10, 2012 02:54 PM            

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There are issues that need addressed and the whooping it up on the election results is not going to address them.

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posted November 10, 2012 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Really, he stays up late at night reading people's letters to him? And wants to serve them?

Seriously? People buy that stuff?

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I'm buying it because it was Michelle Obama who revealed that he reads letters from people till about 1-2 am at night. In response to a question about their daily nightly ritual as a family.

Why don't you try writing him yourself?

posted November 10, 2012 03:15 PM            

Stop the f***ing drone attacks, please.

Thanks in advance.

Love,
Faith

I guess I could give it a whirl. I mean, he knows there is a widespread outcry against these brutal attacks he's carrying out, he's probably seem some footage of mourners being blown to bits as they attend funerals of their innocent loved ones who were killed by drones, seen pictures of children with their arms blown off sobbing because their mothers were just beheaded by a drone right in front of them.

That didn't stir his conscience much, but maybe I'm special and can make him reconsider. Maybe he just needs to hear that perfect phrase from *me* and it will revolutionize the whole war on terror. Gosh I feel special just thinking about this!

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No hard feelings, Linda, this is just something we don't see eye to eye on.

posted November 10, 2012 03:23 PM            

I wanted to say that I enjoy A LOT reading this thread.

I learn a lot in your comments. Thank you all
You prove that politics can be a meeting place so far.

ps: jovian I saw u addressed me some questions but I don't know how to answer TBH.
May be just saying thatnobody is 100% white (lol, it"s not racist but it is a french expression translated literally)... i.e. I never saw him as the savior. I was skeptical when he got his nobel prize after a year. At the time I was living difficult times which could explain my distance from the excitement for his first election.
But as it was described by IQ, linda jones or nativelyjoan (forgive me if I forgot someone else's name) his second term is going, no, has already given a signal to the world of what is the american people. Cause previously, the message of what americans were made of had got lost in translation. i.e. Bush scared the **** out of the rest of the west, so imagine other cultures... And although in 2016 the US will not be the first economic power in the world but the second behind china, it will remain the first of the western countries.

posted November 10, 2012 03:34 PM            

Let me borrow a Romney phrase as spoken repeatedly to the Prez. in the 3rd debate--

"Hurting me," substitute here making fun of, "will not solve the huge problem the country's facing."

Randall, weren't conservatives ready to believe Romney no matter how many times he flip flopped and re-invented himself? Just so long as he said it?

Abe Lincoln said, "Whatever you are, be a good one."

I'm going to continue to be the best optimist I can be.

posted November 10, 2012 03:47 PM            

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I just wanted to say here on this thread, for the record, that Obama's policies have been more destructive than all these accolades warrant.

So I have nothing to celebrate with his re-election, and disagree with any sentiment that there is something wrong with those of us who see no cause for celebration.

We are being realistic and holding to principle. I find that more enjoyable than participating in orchestrated dramas about a leader's greatness, his triumphing against little minds, his forcing Donald Trump to eat crow, etcetera and so forth.

His ostensibly noble speeches are mere words, they are NOT more important than the record of his deeds, and those deeds have shown a fundamental disrespect for human life and the rule of law.

If others think optimism is warranted now, that's their prerogative.

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Faith, you speak as though you're viewpoint accounts for the only rational individuals in this country. But we are all very different, and view this world and it's leaders very differently. Some of course are more rational then others but we are entitled to our beliefs. You seem to be in a great deal of pain over this election and President Obama's record sheet. I'm not trying to tell you want to think, I just want you to know everyone has their own beliefs and everyone human being including you is incredibly flawed, biased and tends to hold their own perceptions and beliefs higher above anyone else's as though the world outside of them is completely disillusioned (I'm at fault here as well). But they maybe not all be, they just hold different beliefs then you. This world can surprise you.

I hear you, I don't agree with all your points, but you're heard and it seems you're hurting and that's unfortunate. My advice for you is to do something with your awareness. Engage in political or grassroots efforts to make a difference. Maybe doing you're part to change what you view as a deluded public perception of the President might bring results. Or maybe you'll change your mind, who knows but complaining about it isn't going to do much to change the course of events or the future. Have you ever protested outside of the White House? Or Congress? Have you ever spoken with your state representatives or started your own anti-policy movement? It's easy to complain and sit back while the world changes, and feel powerless and frustrated. But it takes courage to go out into the world and do something because it might seem like your efforts go towards no end, but they don't. Here on this forum your voice has been heard. I think you're a very intelligent and passionate individual Faith. What can this President and this country do to move forward? And what role do you plan on taking to be apart of that? You don't have to answer these questions, just something to think about. You might not think your actions impact the world or progression but they do. Even the powers that be can't suppress the fortitude of the human will. Don't put your faith in a political leader, be the one advocating for change, if the world is disillusioned act as a channel to bring about enlightenment through your own actions. Just my two cents.

posted November 10, 2012 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Abe Lincoln said, "Whatever you are, be a good one."

I'm going to continue to be the best optimist I can be.

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