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Topic: Barack Hussein Obama: A Great Human Being for a Great Nation.
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NativelyJoan
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posted November 10, 2012 04:11 PM
  
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Originally posted by Randall:
Oh, I'm not being at all uncivilized and not upset in the least. This Forum is filled with people who speak their opinions. Your suggestion otherwise shows how narrowly myopic your perspective is. Look around the last few days. I didn't say you couldn't express your views. But when you discount another's beliefs, because you feel she shouldn't be taken seriously since she's not marching around in front of the white house, expect me to call you on it.
Randall, back to twisting the words of others I see. No one is discounting anyone else's beliefs, in fact I did the exact opposite! See below: Faith, you speak as though you're viewpoint accounts for the only rational individuals in this country. But we are all very different, and view this world and it's leaders very differently. Some of course are more rational then others but we are entitled to our beliefs. You seem to be in a great deal of pain over this election and President Obama's record sheet. I'm not trying to tell you want to think, I just want you to know everyone has their own beliefs and everyone human being including you is incredibly flawed, biased and tends to hold their own perceptions and beliefs higher above anyone else's as though the world outside of them is completely disillusioned (I'm at fault here as well). But they maybe not all be, they just hold different beliefs then you. This world can surprise you." (NJ) Your attempts at picking a fight Randall are noted. Thanks. Sorry for derailing this thread IQ! It seems impossible for us all to stay on topic. Here's to 4 more years of President Obama! Cheers! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 04:17 PM
You edited out the part where you said that it's difficult to take her seriously when she isn't taking action. I find that quite deceitful to come in here and then quote your newly edited words and playing innocent about it. Duly noted. I will be more diligent in the future about quoting when dealing with you. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 04:22 PM
It's okay to feel as if you were harsh and to edit your content. And I have no problem whatsoever with the fairness exhibited in the above words of yours. But to "overlook" the fact that you previously said something else, and then accuse me of twisting your words, well, that speaks volumes about your intent, doesn't it? IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted November 10, 2012 04:25 PM
Unfortunately Randall, this forum had become rife with editing to make one look clean and the other guy the dirty bird. I`m not saying anyone did just now as I didn`t see it but... to one and all, quoting here for clarity and responsibility has become a must.------------------
We dance around the ring and suppose, but the secret sits in the middle and Knows
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Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 04:27 PM
And this is GU. There's always two distinct viewpoints here that are diametrically opposed. That's not derailing a string--any more than a Pro-Romney string here would get opposing viewpoints. iQ, I do appreciate your sense of fairness and your mild decorum while expressing your views.  I may not always agree with what you say, iQ, my brother, but I will defend your right to say it. To all of us here, the Divinity in me recognizes the Divinity in you. Namaste. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 04:29 PM
Agreed, Juni. I'm not big on quoting, but I do see the value in it and plan on using it more.IP: Logged |
pire
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posted November 10, 2012 04:33 PM
I see that there are several layers of arguments between participants of this thread. There are those who argue about policies and other who argue on more general concepts, more philosophical. If on top of that u had thos who speak the language of republicans and those who speak the language of liberals. It becomes difficult. But if on top you ad those who live abroad and have a different perspective on the problems and on the remedies it is very difficult to agree.
(though not specifically in this thread, Let's not forget those who use inslts to have the last word. Then discussions brake very easily. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted November 10, 2012 04:34 PM
Randall, here's another one and it's in pure jest, so you don't have to answer, but your post to iQ (especially the "namaste") is allowing me the courage to be a bit cheeky--  Atm Faith is expressing her opinion on an anti-Obama policy. But she has said elsewhere that she's not in favor of Romney either and is pro Ron Paul. So my ques is (*slight tongue-in-cheek alert*)--
If Romney had won, would you be supporting her anti-Romney opinions (assuming she expresses them) just as much as you're supporting her anti-Obama ones? Of course you're going to say yes, right? Because that's what this forum stands for--free expression of diverse opinions, hopefully not including cussing  . (*big time tongue-in-cheek alert*)
So then do you think I should trust you for saying yes? And if I do, would you feel that I still have the "Ostrich Syndrome"?  ------------------
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Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 04:41 PM
Nope. I think Romney was the best choice. I like Ron Paul the best, but he didn't stand a chance. But I would still have sympathized with her views on the drones. Romney, too, supports the drone policy. They both emphatically said as much. It's one of the few things the two agreed upon. We don't know what Romney would or would not have done. But we have four prior years to see the blood-stained palms on Obama's hands. But as the saying goes, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 10, 2012 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
You seem to be in a great deal of pain over this election and President Obama's record sheet.
I couldn't have cared less about the election, after Ron Paul dropped out. Obama's doing a bad job IMO. quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
I'm not trying to tell you want to think, I just want you to know everyone has their own beliefs and everyone human being including you is incredibly flawed...
 You think I don't know that? quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
My advice for you is to do something with your awareness. Engage in political or grassroots efforts to make a difference. Maybe doing you're part to change what you view as a deluded public perception of the President might bring results.
I never understand people who presume to know what I am and am not engaged in already. Never understand them. quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Have you ever spoken with your state representatives or started your own anti-policy movement? It's easy to complain and sit back while the world changes, and feel powerless and frustrated.
For all you know I AM a state representative! Actually yes, but why the interrogation? Do I have to spend time outside holding a picket sign in the cold for hours, and present video footage here, before I'm allowed to voice my opinion? quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
What can this President and this country do to move forward? And what role do you plan on taking to be apart of that?
1. Stop lying.
2. Stop believing lies. quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Don't put your faith in a political leader,
LOL You are preachin' to the choir, NJ! quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
be the one advocating for change, if the world is disillusioned act as a channel to bring about enlightenment through your own actions. Just my two cents.
Yeah, it seems I am advocating for change and getting beaten back by people who make all kinds of assumptions about me and tell me to just be grateful it's not worse.  Not giving up hope!  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 10, 2012 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
To all of us here, the Divinity in me recognizes the Divinity in you. Namaste.
 Ditto.
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Linda Jones
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posted November 10, 2012 05:15 PM
@ Randall,Just curious. You obviously dislike being deceived (as do I). So how were you comfortable with believing Romney's change from extreme right to center right one month before the election? How is it possible to trust someone who re-invents himself one month prior to an event that he's hoping to win. Isn't this a truly blatant case of the end justifying the means? ------------------
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Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 05:27 PM
You can't trust any politician. It's just a matter of which one is best fit for the job who will do the least amount of damage. Romney was a good fit to fix the economy. Obama spent us into near oblivion. Thankfully, Obamacare has enough loopholes in it that we can avert disaster by nullification of it in practice; however, there will be plenty of casualties as it will still wreak havoc on the middle class and those wage-earners who live paycheck to paycheck, because their paychecks will be smaller. It was sold as insurance for everyone, but all it will do is knock us further down the economic cliff. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 05:41 PM
And Obama did the same thing. Around the time of the debates, he went from far left to center. So did Biden. Obama went from the global warming messiah of four years ago to a moderate. And when Romney brought up the billions lost on Obama's green energy investments, like Solara, instead of defending himself, he just stood there speechless and dumbfounded, probably afraid to speak for fear of removing his moderate mask. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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From: New England
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 10, 2012 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah, it seems I am advocating for change and getting beaten back by people who make all kinds of assumptions about me and tell me to just be grateful it's not worse. Not giving up hope!
Thanks for responding Faith. Everyone is just trying to express themselves in the best way they can. I didn't mean to interrogate you. I'm a journalist, it's just my style and I apologize. I like to ask a lot of questions, it helps me understand things better. I think in a sense we all are fighting for change but in very different ways. I've got a bit of an activist mentality within me, therefore I always consider things in terms of theory, facts and resolutions. What can be done? I just think we could all do more to make the world a better place. I tend to complain as much as anyone else, but I hate it when I do and try to always act in ways that fosters growth and promotes real world action. Like for example with the Hurricane Sandy relief effort, I've got friends and family volunteering in the Northeast as we speak in efforts to assist the relief work. I'm just really moved by the efforts of those who go out in the world to make a difference and credit definitely has to be given to those who make change behind the scenes and influence even the biased opinions of just a few by voicing their concerns and beliefs. Let's all just hope that the choices that we've made today and yesterday, will prove beneficial in the future. Randall, I'm not trying to get into a quarrel with you. I'm at fault for many things, but distorting my own truth is not one of them. Reading over your posts I noticed that you edited one of them , which could also be misconstrued as misleading and deceiving the readers of this thread. But it's not my place to judge you or anyone else who has done the same on this thread and on others. I tend to edit a thread if I've made spelling or grammatical errors, misquoted something or someone, or expressed myself not as thoroughly as I'd like and I'm not a shamed of that. I do editing for a living, it comes naturally to me. I meant what I said, and my original comments were directed at Faith without ill intention. It's a hard case to fight against editing, considering in the last 5 posts I've noticed several people edit. They are entitled to that, we don't tend to comment in real time therefore comments overlap, editing overlaps, arguments and misinformation arises. Adding to the hostility of GU we've got the making for verbal warfare. It's a futile fight. I will continue to propagate civilized discourse through my responses and I hope others will continue to do the same. That's my truth, and hopefully this thread can continue forth with no more derailments because it's actually a pretty good thread. Thank you IQ. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 06:03 PM
The difference is that I merely added to what I posted (and about the same time you were quoting me actually). I tend to do that a lot. I re-read recent posts for errors, and I often add more content when I find a typo and go back to fix it, as it looks different once posted than when writing it. But I will extend to you the benefit of the doubt. And it's not a derailment. As I've stated already, the views here are often diametrically opposing. If a string praises Obama as a great human being, and I don't think he is that great, then I (and anyone else) has every right to say their peace. Just like if I posted here that Obama is a treacherous murderer. Would you have me believe that you and others wouldn't "derail" that string? Really? IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted November 10, 2012 06:18 PM
Derailing a thread in my perspective, is when commenters go off topic and instigate arguments that aren't relevant to the topic at hand. I think it's disrespectful to the original poster, regardless of the topic. Others may, but I wouldn't go out of my way to derail a thread based on the thread creators personal opinions. I'd try to add my own perspective and if need be add sources as additional support for my argument. I think it's futile to argue about things that aren't relevant to the thread (unless otherwise specified by the thread creator), but that's just my own opinion. The only time I see thread derailment necessary is with appropriate and ethical intervention by moderators when commenters fail to follow LL's guidelines for appropriate conduct. But in all other scenarios, unless explicitly authorized otherwise by the original poster, I see no purpose to it.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 07:18 PM
You can't have discussion when you only present one view and prevent opposing viewpoints. That's little more than back patting. Everything in polar opposite to the title (and all the grey in between) is on topic. Derailing would be me coming to this string and talking about how delicious my mom's Thanksgiving dinner will be.  But I digress--this is GU. One would be hard-pressed to find a case of derailing a string anywhere on this particular Forum. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted November 10, 2012 07:35 PM
Someone mention wanting a laugh and another Lincoln?Well this is very light, pokes fun at both Romney & Obama (and how mindless those firmly entrenched on one side or the other can get) but I laughed again when Lincoln showed up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7Hzc I loved what Lincoln had to say both of them. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 07:49 PM
I will be helping cook this year, so I can learn her recipes hands-on. Um, now it's derailed. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 10, 2012 08:42 PM
@PJ  Lincoln cameo was great! And I loved: Knocking you harder than front doors in my mission days... and Need to stop hatin on gays let 'em teach ya how to dress...you got the Momma jeans SO TRUE he does wear mom jeans!!!
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AcousticGod
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posted November 10, 2012 11:01 PM
Some people here need a good talking to, but I guess tonight's not the night.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 10, 2012 11:33 PM
I think things more or less resolved of their own volition. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted November 11, 2012 02:05 AM
I must've missed this one earlier. quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Dear Obama,Stop the f***ing drone attacks, please. Thanks in advance. Love,
Faith I guess I could give it a whirl. I mean, he knows there is a widespread outcry against these brutal attacks he's carrying out, he's probably seem some footage of mourners being blown to bits as they attend funerals of their innocent loved ones who were killed by drones, seen pictures of children with their arms blown off sobbing because their mothers were just beheaded by a drone right in front of them. That didn't stir his conscience much, but maybe I'm special and can make him reconsider. Maybe he just needs to hear that perfect phrase from [b]*me* and it will revolutionize the whole war on terror. Gosh I feel special just thinking about this! Edit: No hard feelings, Linda, this is just something we don't see eye to eye on. Ditto to others who love Obama.[/B]
I don't particularly find your heavily disparaging sarcasm a very likeable or "respectful" form of communication. I could be equally sarcastic, but choose not to because I don't think it would be a display of my intelligence, wit, or wisdom. Your quotes from http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/001521-2.html quote:
What I like is an atmosphere of respect.
Really? You could have fooled me with your above post addressed to me. quote:
respect has to be a two way street.
Yes and I don't remember sarcastically disparaging you at all anywhere. quote:
it bothers me especially that the language in this forum can be so war-like, on the basis of a kind of primitive us versus them mentality.
Yes, and derision can be equally inflammatory and provocative.If you feel you can only express your comments to me with heavy underlying sarcasm and derision, then I'd like you to not address me at all. Thank you. ------------------
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Randall
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posted November 11, 2012 02:22 AM
I actually find sarcasm to be a very effective method of comunication. Face it, not everyone worships at the feet of Obama. Get over it. I know you find it just absolutely perplexing that there can be people who don't agree with you that Obama hangs the Moon each night, but yeah, we exist. IP: Logged |
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