posted November 15, 2012 12:51 PM            

2. People want to be given things from rich people
This won't work. There are not enough rich people to give to all the people who want handouts.
It is not feasible, putting aside the morality of it.

3. Racism which is voting for ANYONE due to his color--black, white, brown, yellow or red.
Martin Luther King told us to to see color--one way or another.

4.Lack of values such as that hard work brings success. People want success by taking from others who do hard work.

I am not coming back to this thread.

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posted November 16, 2012 03:44 PM            

He's a sore loser. Instead of commenting on the best way the republican party can regroup and help the country in moving forward he's complaining about the "gifts" Prez Obama gave to select groups of voters causing the Plutocrat to lose.--

"Gifts" the President had promised to black and Hispanic voters, young people, and women, such as access to contraception under the insurance that they pay for, low student loan interest rates, and a moratorium on deportations of DREAM Act-eligible undocumented young people.

Hello? Since when did any party NOT do that? Not promise ways in which the candidate would help improve the lives of the select groups?

Romney's comments after losing are reminiscent of his other comment that 47% of Americans are "dependent upon government," and "believe they are the victims."

I'm surprised he didn't blame--

1) the invention/development of mathematics from ancient times which people used to understand that his math didn't add up.

2) poorly functioning voting machines.

3) not enough people getting the R/R tattoo (Romney/Ryan) on their foreheads.

How embarrassing his recent comments must be for the republicans. And just when I was beginning to think he was gracious in his concession speech. I think it is better to keep silent and let people assume that you're a plutocrat, than to open your mouth and confirm it.

My suggestion for Mitt? To hang with Charlie Sheen for a bit so he can get some real tips on "winning."

As for handouts ...

Read here about millionaires collecting unemployment and welfare benefits--
http://blogs.ajc.com/business-beat/2012/10/03/millionaires-collect-unemployment-benefits/

"in 2009, 2,362 millionaires received unemployment benefits, according to a study from the Congressional Research Service, a non-partisan arm of Congress. More than 1,000 who got the benefits had a household adjusted gross income of $1.5 million.

The study determined that 0.02 percent of tax filers who received unemployment benefits that year were millionaires. Their collective haul: $20.8 million."

Another study for the following year (2010, I think) showed that millionaires collected 11 mill in unemployment.

And who says the rich aren't immune to grabbing handouts if and when they can????

In fact I've seen poorer people give more readily to others to help them while the rich remain tight fisted in similar situations.

posted November 17, 2012 02:52 AM            

I did not know that Mitt Romney could stoop so low. God saved America from this pathetic loser who has no sense of real grace. The worst leader is one who blames others for defeat.

Just imagine how such a man would have made his money. No wonder he must hide his tax returns.

Well, he and his buddy Karl Rove have to explain to their "investors" who lost hundreds of millions of dollars. That is sufficient punishment after the intellectual chastisement from Bobby Jindal.

Linda wrote:
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I'm surprised he didn't blame--

1) the invention/development of mathematics from ancient times which people used to understand that his math didn't add up.

posted November 17, 2012 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
1. Dumbing Down of America
People don't know what is in the Constitution.
People don't know about history. People don't understand socialism and that it does not work.

2. People want to be given things from rich people
This won't work. There are not enough rich people to give to all the people who want handouts.
It is not feasible, putting aside the morality of it.

3. Racism which is voting for ANYONE due to his color--black, white, brown, yellow or red.
Martin Luther King told us to to see color--one way or another.

4.Lack of values such as that hard work brings success. People want success by taking from others who do hard work.

I am not coming back to this thread.

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posted November 17, 2012 07:43 AM            

And then there was the being so clueless & insulting (and sometimes showing the maturity of preteens) at the same time, too. And cheering over the idea that someone who didn't have insurance would die just made them look evil (to say he must pay for his mistake is one thing, but to CHEER it is vile and disgusted and/or embarrassed even plenty of Republican voters).

But I know some people don't want to take responsibility for why they lost and instead invent fictitious reasons and excuses, some that are just stupid. For example, with the notable exception of Ron Paul Republicans are big promoters of corporate welfare and are at least as much into sweetheart deals as Democrats, so the Republicans were promising at least as much (if not more) welfare to the rich while also promising less obligation & accountability on their part, and the idea of big corporations stealing from me and not having to answer for it is far more offensive than say a single mom or someone disabled getting just enough to get by (and it adds weight to the claim that Republicans are against welfare for the poor but not the rich because they see those on welfare as being racial minorities and immoral single moms, otherwise why not be at least as offended by the wealthy on welfare?). And Republicans don't have room to be talking about how only they understand the Constitution, either, or act as if they (in general) are standing up for it. And the blatant hypocrisy, double speak, and acting as if we don't have a long term memory (for example, Republicans get elected, cut school budgets costing many teachers--and not "the bad ones" either--their jobs and then turning around and saying Obama is firing women from government jobs and thinking we're dumb enough to fall for their BS when we know damn well they cut those jobs themselves) didn't help either.

Or how about wanting America to fail? Sure, sure, they don't count Obama and those who voted for him as "America" as if they alone defined America. But thankfully it doesn't work that way, and if they can't realize that...then that's just one more reason for me and many others to be glad they lost so much ground. Either get a clue or GTFO.

posted November 17, 2012 04:18 PM            

It's a truly fantastic way for their party to eventually fade into obscurity on the national stage.

posted November 18, 2012 06:26 AM            

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Some of the early prescriptions offered by officials and operatives to rebuild after devastating elections: retool the party message to appeal to Latinos, women and working-class people; upgrade antiquated get-out-the-vote systems with the latest technology; teach candidates how to handle the new media landscape.

From longtime GOP luminaries to the party's rising stars, almost everyone asked about the Republicans' Nov. 6 election drubbing seems to agree that a wholesale update is necessary for a party that appears to be running years behind Democrats in adapting to rapidly changing campaigns and an evolving electorate.

Interviews with more than a dozen Republicans at all levels of the party indicated that postelection soul-searching must quickly turn into a period of action.

"We've got to have a very brutally honest review from stem to stern of what we did and what we didn't do, and what worked and what failed," said former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who ran the party in the 1990s.

The party "has to modernize in a whole wide range of ways," added former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who ran against White House nominee Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential primary. "We were clearly wrong on a whole range of fronts."

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Others pointed to the pressing need to recruit candidates who know how to stick to a carefully honed message, especially in a Twitter-driven era. Among their case studies: Senate candidates Richard Mourdock in Indiana and Todd Akin in Missouri, who both discussed rape and pregnancy during the campaign, to the chagrin of party leaders looking to narrow the Democrats' advantage among women.

"We need candidates who are capable of articulating their policy positions without alienating massive voting blocs," said Kevin McLaughlin, a Republican operative who worked on several Senate races for the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

Many Republicans say the party doesn't have a choice but to change � and quickly.

Said Kaufmann: "In this business, either you learn and grow or you die."

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posted November 18, 2012 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Linda wrote:
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I'm surprised he didn't blame--

1) the invention/development of mathematics from ancient times which people used to understand that his math didn't add up.

2) poorly functioning voting machines.
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You have just divined some of the GOP excuses for the impending defeat in 2016

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Can we say Amen to that!

Romney said he would create 12 mill new jobs. To his credit he kept his promise partially ... by creating one for Prez. Obama practically "gifted" it to him as the best Christmas present ever!

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Just imagine how such a man would have made his money. No wonder he must hide his tax returns.

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Yes. He paid a whoppingly low rate of 14% on his last tax return!! Good grief! Even I paid a 15% rate as a student (considered the lowest rate overall). So he paid less than the lowest rate!!! The blood money keeps multiplying! There's smth wrong with the picture when a multimillionaire can get away with paying that rate.

You know what's ironic? Romney was making his excuses to his donors in a conference call, at about the same time that Prez. Obama was extending a pretty generous olive branch to Romney (in his first press conference after the election) saying, "the former governor’s record and ideas “could be very helpful” in shaping policy over the next four years."
http://www.kmbz.com/pages/14789558.php?

As far as the republicans are concerned, I think the loss of this campaign by Romney means he's reached the end of his career. So he could have certainly used smth like what the Prez. was offering, even if it meant in an advisory capacity.

But after the comments he made to his donors, he may have blown that chance too.

He doesn't seem to have much wisdom or depth to his personality. And to think that people were actually considering making him POTUS!! Like GW Bush, he would have made us a laughing stock in the world as well as being an absolute gift to comedians.

posted November 18, 2012 12:17 PM            

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The party "has to modernize in a whole wide range of ways," added former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who ran against White House nominee Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential primary. "We were clearly wrong on a whole range of fronts."

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This is why I thought Romney would lose: You never heard about his campaign's excellent organization.

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Others pointed to the pressing need to recruit candidates who know how to stick to a carefully honed message, especially in a Twitter-driven era. Among their case studies: Senate candidates Richard Mourdock in Indiana and Todd Akin in Missouri, who both discussed rape and pregnancy during the campaign, to the chagrin of party leaders looking to narrow the Democrats' advantage among women.

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On Morning Joe, a show hosted by Republican Joe Scarborough, the critique is that the voters aren't picking the most electable candidates in the primaries. You have a lot of Republican candidates playing to the base, and the extremist Republican wins rather than the moderate who would do better against Democrats.

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Romney said he would create 12 mill new jobs.

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posted November 18, 2012 12:28 PM            

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On Morning Joe, a show hosted by Republican Joe Scarborough, the critique is that the voters aren't picking the most electable candidates in the primaries. You have a lot of Republican candidates playing to the base, and the extremist Republican wins rather than the moderate who would do better against Democrats.

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That plus Romney refused to give pertinent information regarding his platform. I believe his dodging the questions really bit him hard.

posted November 18, 2012 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
On Morning Joe, a show hosted by Republican Joe Scarborough, the critique is that the voters aren't picking the most electable candidates in the primaries. You have a lot of Republican candidates playing to the base, and the extremist Republican wins rather than the moderate who would do better against Democrats.

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Yes. Romney was at first appealing to the base by being extreme, and later became moderate so that he could win. But because this strategy failed, the republicans won't want him anymore.

posted November 18, 2012 03:32 PM            

I am very thankful living in a country which despite all its major many shortcomings at least tries to care for all their members (at least it is an aim, even though as I said there are some shortcomings).
And I for one am GLADLY giving an amount of my money to the health insurance so everyone has the chance to get the medical treatment they need.

As I said, the systems are very different.

posted November 18, 2012 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
2. People want to be given things from rich people
This won't work.

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Anyone who is on any form of social assistance whould want to get off it as soon as they can.
Recipients don't receive enought and alot of these programs are inefficient in inproving peoples lives.

I ask the question Could you live on social assistance recieving $1000 a month and being labeled poor and unemployed?
Not to mention beging constantly looked down upon by people who think they are costing the system.

95% of recipts are trying to improve there lives, less then 5% are actualy lazy and not trying.

I'm so sick and tired of these extreme conservatives making claims that don't add up.

Not just on lindaland, but in the world in general.

I don't have to argue, I know karma is true and you get a nasty pay back later in life, if you don't do whats right.

posted November 18, 2012 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
it`s sometimes interesting to read these opinions from a total outsider`s point of view, and it makes me realize just how different my country`s social system is from Americas.

I am very thankful living in a country which despite all its major many shortcomings at least tries to care for all their members (at least it is an aim, even though as I said there are some shortcomings).
And I for one am GLADLY giving an amount of my money to the health insurance so everyone has the chance to get the medical treatment they need.

As I said, the systems are very different.

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posted November 18, 2012 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
Ahhhhhhh! Bloooody europeans!

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Ikr? You being French and all

posted November 18, 2012 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
it`s sometimes interesting to read these opinions from a total outsider`s point of view, and it makes me realize just how different my country`s social system is from Americas.

I am very thankful living in a country which despite all its major many shortcomings at least tries to care for all their members (at least it is an aim, even though as I said there are some shortcomings).
And I for one am GLADLY giving an amount of my money to the health insurance so everyone has the chance to get the medical treatment they need.

As I said, the systems are very different.

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Ceri!!!! How wonderful to see you post here!! Hope you come often.

And yeah, I don't mind giving some of my money so that all can have benefits and get by, instead of not having enough.

posted November 18, 2012 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Romney was a moderate to begin with. I really don't have any idea how he came out on top in the primaries.

The Morning Joe folks were primarily talking about the Senate and House losses. You know, all that trouble with rape and so forth. If the constituents ran more moderate Republicans, they'd have done better.

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Yes, I know. I was just tying it to the example of Romney not having done better because of the initial extreme and later moderate "show" he presented. So his dodginess first in appealing to the base (extreme) and later as a way to defeat Obama (moderate) didn't work.

And it's true that the republicans are sort of stuck, because the base is extreme, yet during elections moderate is more effective.

posted November 19, 2012 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
Ahhhhhhh! Bloooody europeans!

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posted November 19, 2012 07:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Ceri!!!! How wonderful to see you post here!! Hope you come often.

And yeah, I don't mind giving some of my money so that all can have benefits and get by, instead of not having enough.

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Hi Linda,

posted December 07, 2012 08:56 AM            

.... because Republican goofs like Mitch McConnell filibuster themselves