posted January 09, 2013 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
whether they care or not they can be made to care. you yourself admit that people VOTED OBAMA IN. the vote does matter, but when people like you spend all your time telling yourself and trying to persuade others that there is NO POINT TRYING, then the government doesn't care for sure. they just do what they are bid by their corporate masters.

yes plenty of elections are swung and outright stolen, but that is largely because we the people choose not to do anything about it - because "it's no use"

that said, it is more than possible things have to get worse STILL before people get so fed up they actually DO do something. or emigrate, as people did in droves in germany in the thirties.

but before you do anything you have to understand that the corporate manipulation of the govt is what is ruining the "free" market and eroding your rights. obama is far from a socialist - if you look at who he has around them, he has a lot of corporatist minders - but as long as people support the right of corporations to buy states and washington, ie, deregulate everything and get rid of taxes? it will continue.

and i don't blame any president who chooses to continue their life and try to get something done within the restricted elbow room he is allowed. i don't understand why anyone with real experience would WANT the job, but some people think they cand "do better". still, a dead president is useless and his assassination demoralizes people even more.

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He stole it.

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posted January 09, 2013 02:19 PM            

if they start carting off "occupiers" you will not complain either? only when they come for jews or diss israel or the great white way of life is considered oligarchy do you complain.

nothing's "over". just a new chapter!

posted January 09, 2013 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
so why moan about how the dumbclucks voted for him? you continually confuse your bogeymen, ami. and your sour grapes don't make anything better. how do you think those who voted against bush and had their votes thrown out and the COURT choose a winner felt? now THERE was a stolen election. but it was stolen from people you don't care about so that was all right, right?

if they start carting off "occupiers" you will not complain either? only when they come for jews or diss israel or the great white way of life is considered oligarchy do you complain.

nothing's "over". just a new chapter!

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You make no sense, my friend( used in the loose sense of the word )

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posted January 09, 2013 07:28 PM            

nothing's over, ami. take heart and take action...the price of liberty is vigilance (not vigilantiism).

i am liking the new treasury secretary appointee, i always thought geithner was a minder from wall street/the fed...and chuck hegel is a defense secretary appt that shows a recognition that war experience and a willingness to NEGOTIATE are important. it's hilarious that the republicans reportedly object to hegel on the grounds that he made some anti-gay remarks 14 years ago, when they have supported the DOMA and other unconstitutional blocking of gays from full citizenship.

looking into both their records, out of kuriosity.

posted January 10, 2013 01:38 PM            

this doesn't add up to me since 2% of $117K = $2340...?? what am i missing ian?

and what is the $2500 to obamacare? please specify?