posted January 09, 2013 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Btw, "fun" fact, thousands of kids are thought to suicide PER YEAR due to bullying:
http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/bullying-and-suicide.html

It's true that we can't be certain how much of a role bullying played in successful suicides, but it's reasonable to assume it played a huge role in a great many of them (some list it as their sole reason for killing themselves in their diaries or blogs). But that's not an emergency worth crying about or demanding drastic action over, is it?

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posted January 09, 2013 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
and forgive me, there is no mean intention in saying this, but judging by his strange look, the killer in sandy hook must have been bullied. how the bullying was part of his acts?

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The claim is that he was never bullied (though perhaps shunned), but of course that claim could be wrong (maybe even deceitful). In any case I don't think it directly impacted his actions as what vengeance would he get against bullies by attacking the elementary school?

But assuming he was bullied it could have indirectly affected the outcome in that perhaps he daydreamed about shooting up his school (but resisted) or at least wanted to feel empowered somehow, and that got him to ask him mom to teach him how to shoot (which she did, though I don't know her motivation for doing so, this is just me musing on it), and that training is what made him so deadly (most mass shooters miss the majority of the time because their aim is so lousy). And perhaps he felt the only one he could trust, the only one he felt safe with, was with his mom, so when even his mom "turned against him" (that is, tried getting him some help) he snapped as he completely gave up and lashed out at the "betrayal" of the one person he trusted.

But all in all I'm going to have to go with the theory that he chose to shoot up the elementary school because his mom taught there and it was revenge against his mom (for "loving them more," that is a jealous rage, he saw them as having what he did not, his mother's love), and that seems most likely to me whether or not he was bullied.

posted January 09, 2013 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
[QUOTE]The gun has been called the great equalizer

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facts here:
http://bradycampaign.org/xshare/Facts/Gun_Death_and_Injury_Stat_Sheet_2008__2009_FIN AL.pdf [/QUOTE]

Excellent points pire! Fear and paranoia are definitely behind it.

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~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 09, 2013 04:08 PM            

And as for studies/articles written on the subject, usually my first question is ... who funded the study ... because the bias will be usually found to be in favor of the group/org funding the study.

So let's for a moment ignore all the info that's out there ... and just ask ourselves one simple question. Why is it necessary for civilians in America to own assault weapons?

Juni has already asked this question and so far there seems to be no answer. So I'll ask the question again, because it is a good question which quickly cuts to the chase ...

Could anyone here give me a good and logical reason/s for Americans having the need to own assault weapons?

Emphasis on logical, please!

Because the logic in the opening post just doesn't do it for me.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am going to write this and not come back to this thread. I will tell you the truth, but if you don't want to accept it, I am not responsible for that

Obama got elected because he was black, not in spite of it, or because it was immaterial. Martin Luther King would not have wanted Obama. MLK told us to look at a man's heart and not his color. Hence, the election of Obama for the reason he was elected would be antithetical to MLK's outlook on humanity.

That being said, let's look at Obama's election. Black people voted for a black person. No one KNEW Obama. He had no record, virtually. What was known about Obama was hidden by the media. If not, white America would not have voted for him. White America is conservative, basically. They have conservative values of family, a work ethic, Judeo-Christian values etc.

Obama came up as an unknown and acted as if he would unite people. White people feel guilty about slavery. Most white people do not hate black people. Obama seemed like a chance for white America to show black America that they were ONE. Most people want this. Most people are good at heart. most people do not hate due to skin color. So, Obama presented a dream.

There are other factors, such as the dumbing down of America. Few Americans know basic civics and basic American and World History. The TV is stupidites, mostly. People care about the stuidities more than actual events playing out on the world or US stage.

The entitlement mentality got to be the prevailing way of thought for more than 50% of the country. This was from a slow eroding of values such as pride in self reliance.

The family was not revered,as the basic building block of society. The family was independent in earlier times. The erosion of the family was one of the roots of the election of Obama.

Slavery was a key root in the election of Obama. Black America was angry and RIGHTLY SO. White America wanted to try to make up for slavery. The sentiment was laudable. Slavery was a blight on America. However, this dream was a chimera.

Back to today, Obama is entrenched. He, either, stole the election, strong armed people with union thugs or tapped into the dumbed down population by cheap promises on election day. It was a combination of all of these, I am sure.

It is over for our freedom. It will be eroded, rather slowly, but it is not that slow, if you watch.

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For me, this has the same logic as someone saying ...

I am nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore I am perfect.

What???

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 09, 2013 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
i am still wondering where is the biblical element of this thread or message?

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posted January 10, 2013 09:19 AM            

Obama , his presidency and gun control are found in Genesis and Revelations.
Obama is the giant in Genesis, his presidency is the black horse of Revelations and gun control is the fire and brimstone .

See how easy that was to find connotation within Truth & Bible Prophecy??

posted January 10, 2013 01:29 PM            

the armed citizenry was ALSO to prevent the need for a standing army, which was seen as a possible threat to the government. the well-regulated militia was REGULATED as to how many arms and ammos they had etc etc, not encouraged to buy cannons on the blackmarket, the then equivalent of major death machines.

the mental health and homeless problems have mushroomed since reagan shut down all govt funded mental health institutions. though most of the mass murderers have not been homeless, many of them might have received some help if they could afford it.

i'm not saying this is the big solution, but it is one facet of the problem.

but perhaps the biggest part of the problem is that people think they know everything in the minds of "liberals" or "conservatives" or "whoever is not in my crowd" and then project their fearful interpretations into the "logical" future results of anything that is said or done in the present.

posted January 10, 2013 02:53 PM            

she is one of the VERY FEW who stood up against the NDAA detention shite, traitor my arse.

randall, with all due respect to the founding fathers, they warned us against a)corporate money corrupting the govt b) banks c)standing armies

but the fact is that they also foresaw that times change and the country would get more populated and more corrupt. that is why amendments were created.

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posted January 10, 2013 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The only people mad at you for speaking the truth are those who are living a lie.

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you just wish to make people mad at you. you wish they do get mad at you, so you can scream they are amd at you. carry on counting in hide and seek everyone else is at the pub having a pint

posted January 10, 2013 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The question is what would the Founding Fathers think of the issue? Of course, we can only speculate. They are probably turning over in their graves at the detainment law. Trust that Obama would take away all private ownership of firearms if he could. And liberals would praise him for it. In fact, I think some people here would face death for him and by him and fall to their knees thanking him for allowing them to die. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid people.

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posted January 10, 2013 05:33 PM            

I didn`t expect a forthright answer but

Randall, they couldn`t conceive of assault weapons. They had muskets. The issue? We can`t know for reason above. They believed in legislation for citizens so they may ponder the good of all?

Please understand, I don`t stand for banning guns. I stand for stricter controls for obtaining the massive fire power. Don`t confuse me with those who wish all guns banned.

posted January 10, 2013 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
The question is what would the Founding Fathers think of the issue?

I didn`t expect a forthright answer but

Randall, they couldn`t conceive of assault weapons. They had muskets. The issue? We can`t know for reason above. They believed in legislation for citizens so they may ponder the good of all?

Please understand, I don`t stand for banning guns. I stand for stricter controls for obtaining the massive fire power. Don`t confuse me with those who wish [b]all guns banned.

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posted January 10, 2013 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
The question is what would the Founding Fathers think of the issue?

I didn`t expect a forthright answer but

Randall, they couldn`t conceive of assault weapons. They had muskets. The issue? We can`t know for reason above. They believed in legislation for citizens so they may ponder the good of all?

Please understand, I don`t stand for banning guns. I stand for stricter controls for obtaining the massive fire power. Don`t confuse me with those who wish all guns banned.

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posted January 10, 2013 06:19 PM            

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

the security of a free state means against others who would try to take her over

where does it say, to protect themselves against THEIR OWN state?

and what is WELL REGULATED about gun ownership these days?

and don't let's forget that "the people" didn't include indentured servants, women or slaves.

do you think they would roll over to see whom we allow to be called "people" these days as well?

your arguments/regurgitated talking points compare apples and oranges.

posted January 10, 2013 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
[b]As passed by the Congress:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

the security of a free state means against others who would try to take her over

where does it say, to protect themselves against THEIR OWN state?

and what is WELL REGULATED about gun ownership these days?

and don't let's forget that "the people" didn't include indentured servants, women or slaves.

do you think they would roll over to see whom we allow to be called "people" these days as well?

your arguments/regurgitated talking points compare apples and oranges.

and your understanding of my position is stubbornly obTUSE.[/B]

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YES, protect themselves against their own government. Duh

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posted January 10, 2013 06:26 PM            

my main point continues to be that you see anyone who points out that you are jumping to conclusions as defending obama for WHAT HE HAS DONE...before he has done it!

also that you persist in thinking he is the only person in washington, which just shows how little constitutional awareness you actually have...

i repeat, where is the WELL REGULATED aspect of the second amendment today? whenever anyone tries to regulate guns the addicts start shrieking that they are going to be robbed, chained and bound ... and go out and stockpile more guns.

there are more guns in this country than people. get a grip.

posted January 10, 2013 06:40 PM            

anyway that's your country and pretty much all of you seem to think having a gun is a god given right. strange to me, and surely, I do not take much risk saying this, strange to most european.
before you rightly get ****** off by a foreigner that lecture you, I leave