posted January 11, 2013 12:25 PM            

an arkansan who hunts wild pigs (because, apparently, they are a nuisance threatening farmers' livestock, fields and survival) insisted that it was fairly common to run into a group of them as large as 40...in which case a smaller weapon with less rapid capacity would mean a dead hunter.

that is the first and only hunting argument for them.

posted January 11, 2013 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Most people do. Just look at the fights on here, before Randall got really strong and won't allow it.

... We have peace, now, because of Randall's strength.

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LOL!! Yeah I agree, particularly as, in my recollection, the majority of those fights were directly or indirectly instigated by you.

And now we're seeing peace finally at LL for the past couple of months or so due to Randall's changed policy.

Go Randall!! Here's to more of your strength!

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BTW, here's a letter Prez Obama has just written to all his haters ...

Dear Haters,

I couldn't help but notice that 'awesome' ends with "me" and 'ugly' starts with "u."
And since you've been talking behind my back, let me remind you that you're in a good position to kiss my arse. Of course you know you can speak badly of me through your online status because I protect Freedom of Speech.

Don't like me? Please have a seat with the rest of the haters waiting for me to give a damn. Everyday I'm forced to add another name to the list of people who can just kiss my arse. Your names have been duly noted.

What can I say? Something about winning attracts losers with opinions.

Yours Truly In Glee,

The President

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~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 11, 2013 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
I am not against individual hand guns for personal protection, PixieJane gave a relevant example. But nobody here has given a logical reason to support the right of citizens possessing weapons of war like AK-56/47 assault rifles. If Assault Rifles are to be permitted, would missiles and RPGs be permitted?
And if yes, what next, Dirty Bombs? Bio weapons? Full fledged Nukes?

Let me take the debate to the next level.

What if a Black Philanthropist decided to arm every African American with an AK56 citing 2nd Amendment rights?

What if every Pakistani, Palestinian, Arab and Iranian Muslim who happens to be a USA Citizen bought a truckload of AK56s citing his or her 2nd Amendment Rights?

Would the Bible-Thumping, Rush Limbaugh fan club come out in support of the above three cases?

American Laws apply equally to Israeli Supporters and to Israeli Opponents.

IMHO, it is wisest for the US Government to have the big guns. Let the voters vote smartly and ensure that the good human beings have access to the big guns.

I think the anti-Obama camp is spoiling for some kind of Civil War with the elected US Government. It is very childish to think of waging war against a huge, elected government that has the greatest arsenal of death in human history. It is a death wish.

Instead, wage war on the real tyranny, the Banking System that is fleecing Americans by charging compound interest on the interest of non-existent sum of "fractional reserve" money [because it is not backed by anything of value].

Instead of giving cash away to gun sellers, to insurance companies and to Wall Street, take your entire cash out and maintain it in a safe at home. Or use a cooperative bank. Punish the Federal Reserve Banks. Claim the interest paid to Federal Reserve since 1913 back with interest

Stop using credit cards, stop taking loans that need payment of interest. Now that would really bring power back to the people.

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And if yes, what next, Dirty Bombs? Bio weapons? Full fledged Nukes?

What if a Black Philanthropist decided to arm every African American with an AK56 citing 2nd Amendment rights?

What if every Pakistani, Palestinian, Arab and Iranian Muslim who happens to be a USA Citizen bought a truckload of AK56s citing his or her 2nd Amendment Rights?

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EXACTLY!! Can anyone answer this!?

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Would the Bible-Thumping, Rush Limbaugh fan club come out in support of the above three cases?

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No of course not!! Because then they will be drinking their own version of the Kool Aid they are so busy rejecting now!

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 11, 2013 01:31 PM            

Yes we have the individual right to bear arms. But we are also entitled to peace within our community. The problem in America now is that individual rights have become more important and have begun to supercede the rights of the community as a whole.

As for the Founding Fathers ... didn't good ol' George Washington beget an illegitimate child with his slave help? Excuse me if I don't consider him (or any of the others) as the "Father" of this nation ... I suddenly feel the need to throw up because of the reminder of their hypocrisy.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 11, 2013 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
... i might remind ami and other cynics that ghandi held the same views and won through with NON violence, the MOST powerful weapon. GUNS just create warfare.

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Yes! AND Gandhi was able to rally millions behind him to peacefully overthrow the Brits who had been living in his nation UNINVITED for three hundred years!!!

As for the continuous fear and paranoia being expressed here ... if yall think that you're too small to be effective without assault weapons ... well then you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

Your own fear and paranoia are controlling you far more than any govt could.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 11, 2013 02:03 PM            

Berlin Wall fell thanks to Gandhian methods, without the German Civilians accumulating assault rifles.

Gandhian Nelson Mandela won freedom against Apartheid without exhorting his followers to buy assault rifles and gunning down the SOuth African government.

Martin Luther King won freedom for African Americans without using Assault Rifles.

Jesus Himself said "Show the Other Cheek".
It is ridiculous to see Bible Thumpers reject Jesus and put their Faith in the Gun, when Mahatma Gandhi accepted Jesus and Saved India without firing a single bullet. Instead he took a bullet, and forgave his assassin prior to going back to the 5th Dimension.
Very familiar to Someone who said "Father, Forgive them" when He was being nailed to the cross. Someone who could have zapped the Romans with a billion thunderbolts. Yet chose to forgive instead.

When Christian pretenders adopt Jesus, there really will be no need for guns. When Jesus is the Savior, there is no Bloodshed.

Gun lovers worship a deity named Mao Zedong, who said "Power flows from the Barrel of a Gun".
The same Mao who took Communism to a gory level.

It is an easy choice. NRA: Whose side are you on? Jesus and Gandhi or Mao Zedong?

I do not know how anyone has the gall to utter the name of Jesus when loving the assault rifles with all their Heart and all their Soul.

I am really confused about NRA Christian Pretenders assaulting the Consciousness of America with their strange demand for automatic assault rifles so that they get a chance to shoot dead their own police, their own sheriffs and their own soldiers, right on their own soil.

Jihadi Terrorism is not the main enemy of USA anymore when trigger happy citizens want to be ready to shoot down their own elected government, police and soldiers.

Osama bin Laden, Gaddaffi, Khomeini and Saddam Hussein must be laughing like crazy in their graves. NRA is accomplishing what they could not do in their wildest dreams.

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posted January 11, 2013 03:22 PM            

I give you this quote from George Orwell, as that is where we find ourselves.

'The further a society drifts from the Truth, the more it will hate those who speak it"

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posted January 11, 2013 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
What if a Black Philanthropist decided to arm every African American with an AK56 citing 2nd Amendment rights?

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BWAHAHAHAHA!

Let me explain my amusement: plenty of older white people have an incredible fear of black people (as the WAR poster goes, "Around blacks, never relax"). This is so ridiculous that my BFF, who is a small, mousy black woman, has had to put up with it. For example, a librarian who considered herself racially enlightened flinched when she saw my friend reach into her purse (after a mild disagreement). A politician going door to door mispronounced her name and when she corrected the politician sweetly the politician backed away while stuttering apologies as if scared for her life. And a landlady of mine was concerned about her showing up believing her a possible drug dealer (actually, she's an administrative assistant, [sarcasm]but it's an easy mistake to make with her being black[/sarcasm]).

The worst I met claimed blacks were genetically compelled to destroy the white race (and seemed unable to tell the difference between Democrats, Black Panthers, the New Black Panthers which are an actual hate group, and thugs & gangstas), and though they never even seen my BFF and I've known her for 6-7 years then, they claimed they knew so much about her even if I thought they were wrong, and thought her evil incarnate who would help murder white people if she had the chance, that she'd lied to me about not voting for Obama in 2008, and didn't trust anyone black with a gun (and were upset that a black man had showed up at a Tea Party rally with an AR-15 believing he was a threat to whites rather than standing with them).

So the idea of someone paying to arm all blacks who could legally own guns with an AK-47 almost had me rolling out of my chair imagining reactions to it. Though now that I'm calming down I realize it would lead to an arms race, Rush Limbaugh most definitely would not be for it (though he might be ok if everyone got one regardless of race), and I'd just have to see how the NRA would react (if many with their brand new rifle were to join and pay their dues then the NRA might go with the flow, though I'm sure at the very least they'd subtly stoke racial fears to get more whites to join as well as the NRA is a master of raising money & membership with fear).

posted January 11, 2013 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
It is an easy choice. NRA: Whose side are you on? Jesus and Gandhi or Mao Zedong

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That's actually a false dichotomy.

I don't have the inclination to untangle everything you said (which was only partially accurate) so I'll just point out that plenty of dictators were not brought down peaceably and were only stopped by violent means, including by insurgents, whereas plenty of pacifists who tried peaceful resistance were massacred and sometimes nearly forgotten by history (heck, I'm sure some have been wholly forgotten).

Also, the Bible advocates violence a lot. Even looking past that which can reasonably be debated as metaphoric (that is, MAYBE it wasn't meant to include literal warfare but rather a spiritual one, though a great many can't seem to tell the difference), and not counting anyone other than Jesus (though in the eyes of fundies Jesus is God, the Bible is the Word of God, so therefore the entire Bible is Jesus), I thought of this offhand:

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Somewhere else he said sell your garment to buy a sword. And then there was the violence against the money changers as well as killing a fig tree to make a point (and he presumably could've used his divine powers to make the fig tree produce figs for them instead, but maybe petty destruction is easier than creation).

posted January 11, 2013 11:57 PM            

anyway, great to 'see' you.

posted January 12, 2013 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Most people do. Just look at the fights on here, before Randall got really strong and won't allow it.
... We have peace, now, because of Randall's strength.

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Seriously AmiAnne? lol

Randall can't controll people, their actions, or if they choose to "fight" (or instigate) or not.

posted January 12, 2013 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Kat, you'll be glad someone around you has a gun when some whack job appears, believe me.

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sorry...... ...waving hand.....wiping tears with the other one....

I've a hard time picturing Randall operating anything more powerful than a plastic toy squirt gun.

No offense. I'd say the same thing to someone I considered a friend, if i thought the same about them.

Now Juni on the other hand..........look out....

I envision her a total gunslinger LOL ......(slingette?)

posted January 12, 2013 10:05 AM            

If this is the likely reaction to African Americans stocking up on "2nd Amendment" Assault Rifles, what about Arab American and Pakistani American stockpiling?

I agree with Ami's George Orwell quote. Hence I am requesting all to find the core of Truth.
Thinking that Republicans are good and Democrats are Evil is inanity when an objective investigation shows that both parties will fight only for the Big Corporations and the Banks.

How are Guns and Bibles going to stop the banking system from crippling America with false interest payments?

Why is Rush or the Tea Party elites not discussing the financial fraud of the Federal Reserve?

Hating/Blaming Obama is easy. But he is not going to be around forever, his term ends in 2016.
Someone else will come from either party who will pay obeisance to Big Corps and the Banking System.

So why are you all not arming yourselves with the real weapons of True Knowledge? Can't the American Public amass a 2 million strong, well informed crowd to peacefully protest Wall Street's frauds?

This peaceful protest will work better than all the guns that can be bought. BTW, Adam Lanza's mom had a stockpile of weapons. Did it make life safe for her? A powerful State has thousands of evil strategies to checkmate one-dimensional armed rebels, especially when the mainstream media is well paid to look the other way.

But they have no answer to those who respond with non-violence and civil disobedience.
No US Soldier will shoot an unarmed protestor. Even third world countries in this day and age of 24/7 Social Media do not shoot at unarmed protestors, we had dozens of protests in India last month, no casualties.
The WW2 and Tibetan examples are invalid in this day of instant communication and Global Humiliation for totalitarian governance. If the Auschwitz Camp was held in 2012, Germany would have been surrounded by 100 countries within 24 hours of a Facebook upload of Jewish Assassinations in the death camps. The Holocaust horror occurred because there was no evidence nor information for years on the murders. You cannot maintain Gulags with digital cameras in every mobile phone.

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posted January 12, 2013 10:14 AM            

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I agree with Ami's George Orwell quote. Hence I am requesting all to find the core of Truth.
Thinking that Republicans are good and Democrats are Evil is inanity when an objective investigation shows that both parties will fight only for the Big Corporations and the Banks.

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I agree but there is something different happening this time.Obama appealed to the dumbed down people. They thought they were getting a "man of the people", when all they were getting was Da Man, with a different skin color. The joke is on them, and all of us, because we have to pay. However, the larger story is that the US is not in Bible Prophecy. So, it is either not here, or it is not a superpower. At any rate, someone had to be used to bring America down and I guess it was Obama.

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posted January 12, 2013 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Egypt, of all places, with so many Islamic Fundamentalists, even they won freedom in Tahrir Square using Gandhian inspired Civilian Protest. Peaceful Protests bring Dictators to their knees.

Berlin Wall fell thanks to Gandhian methods, without the German Civilians accumulating assault rifles.

Gandhian Nelson Mandela won freedom against Apartheid without exhorting his followers to buy assault rifles and gunning down the SOuth African government.

Martin Luther King won freedom for African Americans without using Assault Rifles.

Jesus Himself said "Show the Other Cheek".
It is ridiculous to see Bible Thumpers reject Jesus and put their Faith in the Gun, when Mahatma Gandhi accepted Jesus and Saved India without firing a single bullet. Instead he took a bullet, and forgave his assassin prior to going back to the 5th Dimension.
Very familiar to Someone who said "Father, Forgive them" when He was being nailed to the cross. Someone who could have zapped the Romans with a billion thunderbolts. Yet chose to forgive instead.

When Christian pretenders adopt Jesus, there really will be no need for guns. When Jesus is the Savior, there is no Bloodshed.

Gun lovers worship a deity named Mao Zedong, who said "Power flows from the Barrel of a Gun".
The same Mao who took Communism to a gory level.

It is an easy choice. NRA: Whose side are you on? Jesus and Gandhi or Mao Zedong?

I do not know how anyone has the gall to utter the name of Jesus when loving the assault rifles with all their Heart and all their Soul.

I am really confused about NRA Christian Pretenders assaulting the Consciousness of America with their strange demand for automatic assault rifles so that they get a chance to shoot dead their own police, their own sheriffs and their own soldiers, right on their own soil.

Jihadi Terrorism is not the main enemy of USA anymore when trigger happy citizens want to be ready to shoot down their own elected government, police and soldiers.

Osama bin Laden, Gaddaffi, Khomeini and Saddam Hussein must be laughing like crazy in their graves. NRA is accomplishing what they could not do in their wildest dreams.

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iQ, I just wanted you to know that halfway through reading your post, I went into a bit of a trance accompanied by Crown Chakra activation, which lasted for a bit even after I was done reading this particular post.

I think this is symbolic of my Kundalini Shakti acknowledging the Truth and tremendous Compassion in your words.

I know that reading can trigger a Kundalini response because my first experience of Kundalini "Bliss" (which had lasted for a few days) was most likely brought on by the book I'd been reading just prior.

So ... thank you for writing.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 12, 2013 01:22 PM            

Bible Prophecy says all nations will turn against Israel. That is later in Prophecy, after the Anti Christ signs the peace treaty and there are 3 and a half years of peace, but the seeds of countries wanting to destroy Israel is taking root, now.

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posted January 12, 2013 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
Linda Jones, LOVE all of your posts! as usual! and sigs.
miss seeing you around. (though i've only recently been visiting again, might not be for long).

anyway, great to 'see' you.

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LOL! Hiya there T! Thank you, and it's wonderful to see you again too

As for Juni ... yeah she's a gun toting ... what's the word I'm looking for here ... oh that's right!! "Slingette" is perfect LOL

Juni's a gun slingette, alright

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 12, 2013 01:34 PM            

But I vehemently disagree that, being the 23rd richest country in the world, Israel needs, and accepts aid from the US.

Another case of the rich wanting, and not hesitating, to take handouts ... while the US continues to increase it's own debt crisis.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted January 12, 2013 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
No one hates Israel ... at least not that I'm aware of. I certainly don't.

But I vehemently disagree that, being the 23rd richest country in the world, Israel needs, and accepts aid from the US.

Another case of the rich wanting, and not hesitating, to take handouts ... while the US continues to increase it's own debt crisis.

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Indeed. Again and again, because someone doesn`t like Israels policies doesn`t mean they don`t like the country or her people. Some folks just can`t or won`t understand the difference Tunnel vision?!

posted January 12, 2013 02:15 PM            

2)an uprising of irate/scared citizens even armed to the teeth is like having a few flies buzzing round their heads. squash the flies and install martial law, i prefer not to give them the excuse.

3) i am not saying there is nothing to be concerned about. nor am i advocating allowing your children to grow up in concentration camps. however sometimes the **** hits the fan. there isn't much you can do to prevent it. fear will make it that much worse, not better.

4) the dalai lama is not traversing the world preaching fear or loathing towards china. he preaches love and NOT FEAR.

5) my objection to ami's attitude is that a) she is more interested in making those who disagree with her look stupid than she is in DOING anything about ANYTHING.

6) this thread started with the title about bible prophecy happening...and includes ONLY ONE REMARK about bible prophecy from the poster - that IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AMERICA. so what on earth is the point of all this? just to run one's mouth off?

7)has anyone stopped to wonder what possible motive the government would have for ENFORCING WITH VIOLENCE when they have the technology to track your every move, support foodstuffs that will possibly create mass extinction, nuclear reactors all over the country are allowed by the NRC to deteriorate without repair...

i could go on but it is so much cheaper and easier in general to just use nonviolent means...but what motive is there in decimating the population?

my remarks about throwing up one's hands in despair and waiting to be whisked away as one of god's chosen have nothing to do with faith's concerns.

has anyone read Oedipus? did the warning he received help him avoid the events foreseen? no, the warning actually spooked him into actions that actually BROUGHT ABOUT THE THING HE DREADED.

and for the bible readers, job says it in a nutshell. WHAT I FEARED HAS MANIFESTED, in paraphrase...

has anybody ever wondered why a country that has not had a Draft in 40 years insists on registration of all males over 18 with the selective service? when i say it is OUR responsibility and stop blaming the leaders, there are SO many small steps before total control, that no one does anything about.

posted January 12, 2013 02:17 PM            

it is BRAINS not GUNS that are needed now.