posted January 17, 2013 08:04 AM            

The NRA has done some stuff I really don't like. In the 2008 primaries they had all the candidates on the cover of their American Hunter magazine, except for Ron Paul, who was left out despite huge grassroots support.

GOA would be my preference if I were to join a group like that.

posted January 17, 2013 08:49 AM            

The fixed stock Benelli M4 Super 90 will not qualify as an assault weapon. The fixed stock version is not collasible, so the pistol grip is only one of the two required featurs to make it an assault weapon.

The gun only as a 5+1 round system, so it doesn't have the over 10 round magazine concerns. Heck it doesn't even meet Biden's 7 round restriction standard.

The US Special Forces Command and the Marine Corp use the M4 Super 90 to clear rooms in close combat theatres.

Each cartridge round can clear out an entire room of civilians, without proper aiming. A psycho can clear out a movie theatre in five seconds.

It's perfectly legal under the new rules and remains available for purchase by everyone.

posted January 17, 2013 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
Now that is funny to imagine you shooting the roof holding the gun with your 2 hands, and be scared of the detonation

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I am like that lol

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posted January 18, 2013 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
iQ, all guns could be banned, and it would not stop the killing. Criminals would still have guns and lawful citizens would not be able to protect themselves.

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posted January 18, 2013 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
- Adolf Hitler

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

posted January 18, 2013 01:02 AM            

And compare to countries that used a lot of gun control:
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

posted January 18, 2013 04:28 AM            

But for all practical purposes, everyone who needs a weapon has it. Small firearms will never be banned.

Now, about the 10% of Americans who equate Black, Popularly elected Obama to Fascist, White Supremacist Hitler. For them, Obama is planning to collect all American Jews and Fundamentalist Christians in Gas Chambers like Auschwitz. Only these are not yet Gas Chambers, just heavily armed FEMA camps. They are certain these will become death camps.
So now, to protect themselves from Herr Obama, they need access to 1000 shots per Magazine Military Assault weapons, so that the USS Secret Police under Herr Obama can be shot dead as they start arresting them.

BUT, they already have truckloads of these weapons Now, if Herr Obama is going to issue a Fatwa [He is a Muslim as far as his enemies are concerned and prays 5 times a day in the Bait Al-White Al-Washington] that all those Rush Limbaugh idolators who have stocked assault rifles must RETURN them, then it is very very scary. That is when these people will have to find their Oscar Schindler to ship them safely to Israel, away from the clutches of Evil Obama. 30 million armed Tea Party Attactivists should scare the hell out of AhMADinJEHAD, that is surely a bonus.

I do wonder though how Herr Hussain OSAMA will accomplish his evil Nazi designs on 30 million wealthy, heavily armed "Shoot to Kill" White Americans. Has anyone seen Michael Bay loiter near the White Hou, sorry, "Al Bait Al-White" ?

NewsFlash: [Background Music of Darth Vader]
Herr Osama has given a Fatwa that the 50 stars in the US Flag be replaced by 25 Swastikas, and 25 Crescent Moons.

posted January 18, 2013 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So let's hear it for an armed citizenry where assault rifles are in abundance.

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posted January 18, 2013 04:11 PM            

Millions of people were slaughtered through a wide range of abuses, including public humiliation, arbitrary imprisonment, torture, sustained harrassment and property seizure.

posted January 19, 2013 07:43 AM            

I respect the original visionaries of the 2nd Amendment. If the Native Americans and the African Slaves had strictly obeyed the 2nd Amendment from the day it was made, the history of USA and the World would have been quite different. Perhaps even Mao would have said "How Maan?"

posted January 19, 2013 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
This is why the whole Obama super villain thought is so silly...

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I'm surprised you can say that when your neighbors are living under drones.

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It is crucial that broader civilian impacts and the voices of those affected be given due weight in US debates about drones.

The most direct impacts of strikes, in addition to injuries and killings, include property damage, and often severe economic hardship and emotional trauma for injured victims and surviving family members. Importantly, those interviewed for this report also described how the presence of drones and capacity of the US to strike anywhere at any time led to constant and severe fear, anxiety, and stress, especially when taken together with the inability of those on the ground to ensure their own safety. Further, those interviewed stated that the fear of strikes undermines people’s sense of safety to such an extent that it has at times affected their willingness to engage in a wide variety of activities, including social gatherings, educational and economic opportunities, funerals, and that fear has also undermined general community trust. In addition, the US practice of striking one area multiple times, and its record of killing first responders, makes both community members and humanitarian workers afraid to assist injured victims.

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Will you feel the same when US drones are patrolling your neighborhood?

posted January 22, 2013 12:45 PM            

If Drones patrol my neighborhood, I would introspect on what me and my countrymen as a collective did wrong to deserve this.

Cause is Effect Concealed, Effect is Cause Revealed. Unfortunately, in matters of the National Level, thousands of innocents pay the karmic price for the crimes of the Collective.

THAT IS WHY so many Gnostics and New Age chaps are trying to awaken people to the 4th D and above, so that the collective karma can be released. When we improve, our leaders improve. When we just complain and b*tch about our leaders, then we are just playing into yet another karmic trap, set up since Atlantis.

How many who hate Obama have written to him to stop the Drone Attacks? Here is a joke, those who hate Obama, a large percentage of them believe every word of the official 9-11 story. No complaints when Iraqis got whacked for no role in 9-11. Dubya was re-elected.
Imagine all that Karma yet to be settled. Imagine the karma from the time of Colin Powell's insensitivity to a million Iraqi kids dying from sanctions?

And now we have Obama who IMHO is trying to prevent America from suffering bad karma but the hatred sent to him may end doing just the opposite.

I explained this to Pixie Jane. Higher Level Laws ALWAYS work, being in denial is just short term relief.

If we want Obama to do better for America, we have to work a lot on our own selves too. Face it, he is technically the leader of the whole Free World. I do not like all that he does [or does not do by keeping silent] but to be an arm-chair hater is just not going to help me nor him nor the rest of the World.

I believe he is the best man at the moment and by the Law of Karma, if there be a better man or woman, he will become the leader of the Free World when he or she deserves it better than Obama.

Until then, let us see how much positivity we can send to Obama's Mind to influence it to more and more good than gradually watch him succumbing to the Cabal and then yell "I was right, Obama is a bad guy"....

posted January 22, 2013 02:56 PM            

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Our neighbors brought it on themselves by allowing the Taliban to kill innocents.

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So you think they all deserve it? By not conquering one group of oppressors they earned even more oppression?

Why is it the business of the US to interfere?

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Originally posted by iQ:

Nobody likes drones, not even Obama but what is his alternative? To sent 200,000 more troops to Afghanistan and Wazirstan?

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Your assumption is, there needs to be a war. Was this your opinion about the Iraq invasion as well? Did you support GW Bush? You alluded to the folly of people who believe the 9-11 Commission Report. So what is the valid pretext for US involvement in the Middle East, in your opinion?

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Originally posted by iQ:
If Drones patrol my neighborhood, I would introspect on what me and my countrymen as a collective did wrong to deserve this.

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WOW. Would you feel the same if China started terrorizing you with drones, or is it only Obama whose punishments seem to embody justice?

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Originally posted by iQ:
When we just complain and b*tch about our leaders, then we are just playing into yet another karmic trap, set up since Atlantis.

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Ignore the problems and they will go away...that's your philosophy?

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Originally posted by iQ:
No complaints when Iraqis got whacked for no role in 9-11. Dubya was re-elected.

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I thought you would be happy with that result since in your view b!tching about our leaders is counterproductive.

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Originally posted by iQ:
And now we have Obama who IMHO is trying to prevent America from suffering bad karma but the hatred sent to him may end doing just the opposite.

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It can never be his fault...that's what you're saying. WE are actually the root of the drone problem, not the President ordering the drone attacks.

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Originally posted by iQ:
If we want Obama to do better for America, we have to work a lot on our own selves too. Face it, he is technically the leader of the whole Free World. I do not like all that he does [or does not do by keeping silent] but to be an arm-chair hater is just not going to help me nor him nor the rest of the World.

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But you assume that criticizing and hating are the same thing.

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Originally posted by iQ:
I believe he is the best man at the moment and by the Law of Karma, if there be a better man or woman, he will become the leader of the Free World when he or she deserves it better than Obama.

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Just like GW Bush was the best man for the moment. All leaders are the same, and the people are always responsible for the bloodshed those leaders cause.

Twisted world-view you have there.

posted January 22, 2013 05:54 PM            

In the US, you are more likely to die of cancer or heart disease than any other cause. Following those two causes of death, in order, you have unintentional injuries/accidents, chronic lower respiratory disease, stroke, diabetes, suicide, flu/pneumonia, kidney disease, and Alzheimer's.

Comparing guns and gun use in Canada vs the US:

As far as Canada/US goes, there are approximately 30 times more firearms in the US than there are in Canada.There are an estimated 7.4 million firearms in Canada, about 1.2 million of which are restricted firearms (mostly handguns). In the U.S., there are approximately 222 million firearms; 76 million of the firearms in circulation are handguns. (This was as of 1995)

Between 1987 - 1996, 65% of homicides in the US involved firearms whereas 32% of homicides in Canada involved firearms.

Handgun homicide rates in the US are 15.3 times higher than in Canada. For those same dates, in the US the average handgun homicide rate was 4.8 per 100,000 people. In Canada it was 0.7 per 1000,000 people.

Still, having said all that, in terms of actual violence which results in murder, you are more likely to be killed by a friend or acquaintance than you are a stranger - and that's true for both Canada and the US. (Only 14% of all murders are committed by someone who is a stranger to the victim)

I think that in synthesizing that information, it seems to me that when you mix a climate of fear with a massive amount of weapons then the end result is not too surprising. Looking at the facts, you are more likely to die of an illness than a gun shot. But for those who do die of a gunshot wound, it's likely that the person on the other end of the gun is someone you know.

I'm not suggesting anything here in terms of what should or should not be done. I'm a Canadian and so I don't technically get a vote. But when you get right down to it, it's mostly friends/acquaintances killing friends/acquaintances - and that's if you don't get cancer or have a heart attack first.