posted January 10, 2013 08:30 PM            

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posted January 10, 2013 08:43 PM            

the first of these was in the 70s

Here are the later Executive Orders:

�¡EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
�¡EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
�¡EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An �gemergency czar�h was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.
�¡EXECUTIVE ORDER 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and granted the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Many of the figures in the Iran-Contra scandal were part of this emergency contingent, including Marine Colonel Oliver North.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA�fs Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA�fs role as a �gnew frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis.�h

The Violent Crime Control Act of 1991 provides additional powers to the President of the United States, allowing the suspension of the Constitution and Constitutional rights of Americans during a �gdrug crisis�h.

It provides for the construction of detention camps, seizure of property, and military control of populated areas.

This, teamed with the Executive Orders of the President, enables Orwellian prophecies to rest on whoever occupies the White House.

The power provided by these �glaws�h allows suspension of the Constitution and the rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights during any civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes and allows the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of Martial Law.

the things you are soooo afraid obama will take from you have already been taken by a series of presidents over more than 30 years.

yes, ami, wake up and smell the coffee. you were boiled before you got up this morning.

the fact is that none of these have been enacted. do you ask yourself WHY? perhaps the paranoia merchants don't want you to realize that they really are for the purposes expressed...to cover EMERGENCIES.

or perhaps they have decided it is easier to let us all shoot each other and spare them the time, money and energy.

posted January 11, 2013 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Having slipped through the detainment of American citizens as law, what else could our legislators pass? Could our whole system of government be changed at their whim? Keep in mind that Hitler rose to power by lawful means. Of course, there are already laws in place to allow Obama to declare martial law and suspend all rights, so he wouldn't need Congress at all. He could declare martial law and then just never undeclare it. All hail, King Obama!

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posted January 11, 2013 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
We have to see how he handles the economy in the next 2 years. He has no need to resort to any Martial Law if the economy booms.
In any case, he cannot be re-elected for a third term and there are highly ambitious people in the Democrat Camp. I do not think they will allow him to become a Dictator.

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The economy CAN"T boom when you tax to death the producers. He set it up to fail, either from stupidity( as he never even had a simple E bay kind of business) or for hatred of all that America stands for. At any rate, it cannot succeed and it cannot boom, so take a seat and watch the fall because it IS coming

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posted January 11, 2013 12:05 PM            

in my elementary school days the top tax was over 90%. kennedy brought it down to 70%. now how can you say the economy can't boom when the top rate is UNDER 40% with those figures in mind? you can't, if you are reasonable.

secondly, obama is extremely accomodating of the republicans, to the point of putting them in his cabinet; he is not king material. that is more likely to be one of the corporate owners, but really they are not interested in actually running the country, just BUYING the laws and conditions they like.

hitler was in a different time, when kings were still common and the people were not used to having their say. america has not been like that for a long time,

however the more people rely on the "leaders" to take care of everything, or basically give their power over to the so-called leaders, the more likely it will become. it wasn't obama who twisted and changed directions everytime it looked like a winning ploy, but romney. this man may have ideas you don't like but he is not interested in being king.

and do you think our military would allow it?

for all those who think the coffins etc are planned for dissenters, think again, you might realize that those who believe sea levels are going to shoot up, and those who believe in a likely future pandemic flu or some such, are prepared to take care of the bodies and homeless...

it's all in how you look at things, isn't it? an before you say that's what the germans thought, it isn't. the germans weren't interested in the fate of the non-citizen jews and other "undesirables", only in their own lifestyle.

but if there is anything in the law of attraction, karma, or any of the other things that people seem to believe in on the other forums here, dreading and planning for the demise of the country is going to take us there, not keep us safe.

posted January 11, 2013 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Thousands of FEMA coffins are not for dissenters? Then who are the detainment camps for?

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YES!The government wants to take out guns, so we don't kill them when they try to round us up(not TRY, they will) They are buying up ton s and tons of high powered bullets which can demolish people. WHY do they need this? Why now?

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posted January 13, 2013 09:07 PM            

the coffins, well i believe there are plenty of government folk who really believe an epidemic or natural disaster is coming and they are READY. i don't always see EVIL in stupidity.

posted January 13, 2013 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The camps are fully staffed.

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Seriously, Randall? So, are they empty of prisoners, but have staff, at the moment?

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posted January 14, 2013 06:55 AM            

But vigilant citizens cannot rule out the misuse for these camps to crack down on specific dissenters who can be detained on the pretext that they are terrorists.
However, 50 States all obeying Obama as a Dictator, and these camps to lock up those dissenters? That is too far fetched.

All States who are "Red" would be out, and any hint of dictatorship [from anyone, not just Obama] would mean the borderline States would oppose the Government. Elite Blue States would never support a Dictator either.

As per Obama's chart, he does not have Uranus in 12th, 10th or 8th House to pull off such surprising dictatorial moves.

Hitler, Charles Manson, Martin Luther King and JFK had Uranus in 12th. As aspect of Kill or get assassinated when trying reform.

Lenin and Stalin had it in 8th. Commies who plan ass detention and murder.

Mao and Marx have Uranus in 10th. Commies because of millions got detained and killed.

Obama has Uranus and Pluto in 7th, there is no way he can become a dictator. He is just insanely popular. A billion people in the Americas either love him or hate him, that is it.

When a majority in USA hate him, he or his party get voted out, it is just that simple.
The Pentagon is designed to prevent Dictators from ever ruling America. Any would be Usurper would be secretly picked off by an NSA Sleeper.

The Corporate and Banking Establishment is already the Dictator-in-Chief btw. This Demonic "System" will not tolerate competition from anybody for the Control of USA. Ask JFK.

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Why do we fear a low probability of potential arrest by some dictatorial agencies who want to avoid political dissent when do nothing about 1.3 million kids under 18 going missing every year in the USA? That is about 15 million kids since 1998, after a certain growth in technology.

What has happened to these 15 million American Citizens within USA ? Most are never found. Is it not a different kind of Genocide? USA is not a third world country.

Why is no politician or social worker or Celebrity showing any concern for 15 million missing and possibly dead Americans?

I am not derailing this thread, but the point is we often overlook real problems and get distracted by imagined fears.

Real Problems:
Fraudulent Interest by Banking Cartels
Missing Children
Broken Families
Untreated Psychiatric Illnesses
GM Food
Electromagnetic Pollution/Nuclear Radiation
Petroleum Cartels
Biased Media

Imagined Problems or Problems that always are and will always be:
Israel and Arabs
Political Games for Control
Tax Rates
Stupidity of Leaders

We can always elect better leaders, starting at the local level. Tax Rates are not as high as the 1960s and 70s, it is not as bad as imagined. Politicians will always press for more control, they get defeated in the next elections. Israelis and Arabs are not designed to live in peace with each other, and since Israeli's have more brains, they will always exist by outsmarting the Arabs.

posted January 14, 2013 01:14 PM            

but hey, it's possible, especially if the lynch mentality takes to action, that they WILL be shutting people in them.

if the NRA (who have been selling guns for years on the brainwashing that the gov is coming to get you and your guns) and rush et al have their way you will have a civil war.

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posted January 14, 2013 03:24 PM            

Have you been to one of these camps randall? Or did jesse v tell you so?
That wire is as dangerous from the outside as inside...but because of the inward slant it is easier to PROTECT from inside.

posted January 14, 2013 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
Only professional crackpots/shetstirrers like rush, the nra and the lynch mob who don't get the money motive behind the propaganda say that "liberals want an unarmed america" - and it has been a great tactic for boosting gun sales.

Have you been to one of these camps randall? Or did jesse v tell you so?
That wire is as dangerous from the outside as inside...but because of the inward slant it is easier to PROTECT from inside.

Anyway have fun boxing with the nightmares supplied by the voices of division. I am not going to add any more energy to this grotesque farce.

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