posted January 30, 2013 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
the PA school that was caught spying on its kids via webcam is pretty close to me.

^ Can you possibly get any more f***ed up? Not much difference between this and the other pedophiles out there.

I know it's possible to remotely access another computer's webcam and I just assume that the government does some of that since they have neither shame nor legal consequences for any of their assaults on our privacy

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I'm surprised it didn't become major news. Spying on pubescent boys who thought they were alone with their computer and recording them, which really isn't that different than had school officials snuck into their home to secretly take pix of a boy (and girl) who thought s/he was alone, I'd think that level of creepy and potential for abuse would have parents in a rage (I know I was extremely ticked off)...at least the FBI investigated the school faculty for child porn (even if they "took random pix" for their own personal collection). It seems to me that our principals and like draw in some really messed up people with power issues that they can't even see what's wrong with this and were shocked when the FBI took all their images. I imagine that served as a wake up call to other schools who do the same, and so I wonder how many other schools are also doing it, but on the sly? And the potential for blackmail against students makes me shudder, for all the cynicism many teens try to display they can be remarkably naive.

I got a new computer a little over a year ago that has a cam built into it. I taped a colored sticky note over it as there is all kinds of programs that people can use to take control of the cams and take pix without the computer owner being the least bit aware. It's like putting a curtain over the windows to prevent peeping toms from looking in.

You might actually be disturbed to find out what tech freaks can do with like a hundred dollars of legal parts from Radio Shack that allow them to overhear calls from your cell phone or jam them, steal the signal that opens & shuts your garage (so they park and wait for people to leave to work, record the signal a person leaving uses to close the garage and then opens it back up with the stolen signal they recorded and parks inside to burglarize the home) and even defeat biometric locks. And with a thousand dollars worth of legal parts people can even remotely hijack drones, or even build your own (which the technophile could technically arm as well as equip with a cam).

posted January 30, 2013 06:56 PM            

Miami – January 2013
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21009660828229/so-fla- to-host-military-training-exercises/#ixzz2ImOEjWny
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/21/military-helicopters-to-buzz-over-area- for-training-exercise/

Las Vegas, Nevada – January 2013
http://www.lvrj.com/news/army-training-exercise-could-ratt le-few-windows-in-goldfield-starting-sunday-185711651.html

Russellville, Arkansas - November 2012
http://www.couriernews.com/view/full_story/20866156/artic le-Military-exercise-brings-15-helicopters?instance=top_news

Indiannapolis, Indiana – November 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axqr7u9hX1g

Yuma, Arizona – October 2012
http://www.yumasun.com/articles/landing-82484-exercise-training.html#ixzz29bJAHJOp

San Francisco (Ocean Beach) – October 2012
http://sfappeal.com/news/2012/10/ocean-beach-lake-merced-brace-for-w ednesday-morning-military-invasion.php
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2012/10/03/get- to-the-chopper-the-west-side-of-san-francisco-to-be-invaded-by-the-us-military-this-morning/

Worcester, Massachussetts – August 2012
http://www.telegram.com/article/20120802/NEWS/120809847/1116
http://wrentham.patch.com/articles/plainville-police-announce-end-of-training-exercises

Laredo, TX – July 2012
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=776980

Marcy, New York – July 2012
http://bigfrog104.com/military-exercises-in-marcy-area-skies-today/

San Francisco, CA – June 2012
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2012/06/13/whats-the-deal-with -those-military-helicopters-flying-over-san-francisco/

St. Louis, Missouri - June 2012

Tampa, FL –November 2010
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-11-18/news /fl-military-training-plane-crash-20101118_1_military-planes-crashes-wes-ticer

Los Angeles, CA - June 2009
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/blackhawk-helicopters -buzz-downtown-in-military-exercise.html

Burton, Michigan – May 2009
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/05/military_to_use_burton_as_a_tr.html[/UR L]

Portland, Oregon – August 2008
[URL=http://www.katu.com/news/local/27546329.html]http://www.katu.com/news/local/27546329.html
http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/2008/08/black-helicopters-over-portland-for-dod.html[/ URL]

South Texas – 1999
[URL=http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/16/us/anti-terrorism-military-drills-take-parts-of-texas-by-surprise.html]http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/16/us/anti-terrorism-military-drills-ta ke-parts-of-texas-by-surprise.html

this is an abridged list of activities that have been going on for at LEAST the last 14 years.

there is a high profile suit against the NDAA detention clause, etc, in NY on Feb 6th. if you're near there, why not attend?

but please don't think your handguns are going to protect you against this kind of power.

posted January 30, 2013 07:23 PM            

had she used guns to defend her home, child and rights, do you think she could have ever won her daughter back (presuming they were not killed in the process)?

the fact that she used legal process not only got her child back home but set a precedent declaring the state can not just overrule a parent's decision as to their child's health.

local police action, national legal system. is the "state of things" obama's fault? or even congress'? or does the responsibility lie with us to know our rights?

posted January 30, 2013 08:20 PM            

Part of that story:

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The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the Cambodian Campaign, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. Other students who were shot had been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students, and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.

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posted January 30, 2013 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
had she used guns to defend her home, child and rights, do you think she could have ever won her daughter back (presuming they were not killed in the process)?

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That's not what the NRA is talking about. To be valid the government would have to start rounding up all the children for camps, all dissenters against say a military junta or other tyrant who declared martial law. But in this case the NRA would've told her to do as she did, not open fire on them.

posted January 31, 2013 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
this is an abridged list of activities that have been going on for at LEAST the last 14 years.

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Every single link you posted is from 2008 onwards, even the one that says it's from 1999 is dated 2008 when you click on it.

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Originally posted by katatonic:
but please don't think your handguns are going to protect you against this kind of power.

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Kat,

posted January 31, 2013 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:

a huge portion of this country is willing to surrender civilian life to the Security State...and there are those nasty letters again...SS...

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True, most already have willingly surrendered, most don't even care about the egregious assaults on their rights, privacy, freedoms.

Then there are those of us who have unwillingly surrendered because we see that it's futile to expect deep, rampant, government corruption to reform itself from within, especially after the external power of the people has been compromised by many, many factors, including everything from the brainwashing of public schools to the media's ubiquitous propaganda assault, to the lobbying (purchasing?) of Congress by the power elite, coupled with the duped public's epidemic apathy.

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Originally posted by katatonic:
i severely doubt that armed civilians will have ANY effect against the military should the occasion arise.

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Not sure what occasion you are talking about.

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Originally posted by katatonic:
and these shows of MIGHT will SUBTRACT from whatever resolve is in the minds of the few diehards, not add to it.

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Huh?

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Originally posted by katatonic:
so the whole gun control issue is really another red herring, dontcha think?

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posted January 31, 2013 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
and please watch this video if you haven't already heard or seen it...about a woman whose child was removed from her custody by an enormous swat team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IGZOGmsQc4&feature=player_embedded

had she used guns to defend her home, child and rights, do you think she could have ever won her daughter back (presuming they were not killed in the process)?

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Good story.

But as it turns out....

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Detroit District Court Judge Ronald Giles has acknowledged that Maryanne Godboldo was morally and legally entitled to use deadly force in an attempt to prevent the illegal abduction of her mentally handicapped 13-year-old daughter by the child “protection” mafia last March. Thankfully, nobody was killed when the mother reportedly fired a single gunshot after police and CPS officials, acting without a valid warrant or just cause, invaded her home.

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Is she still such a hero, Kat?

posted January 31, 2013 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
That type of military action is not new nor only happened since 911.
I am old enough to remember the atomic bombing drills, hide in a closet, under your desk crap.

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My husband talks about that, too. Sounds totally crazy!

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
I prefer now to the dark ages of those times.
We at least have the internet so it is harder to hide things from the people now.

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I think the big difference is, back then people were more worried about outside countries. Now, a greater fear for some of us is the US gov't itself is turning on the people with increasing malice.

posted January 31, 2013 01:11 PM            

if you find my posts obtuse just ignore them. as i said i was not particularly talking to you but to the issue.

as usual!

yes the list i POSTED - and pointed out was ABRIDGED - only goes back to 2008. that is because the list was longer than a page of this thread. there have been plenty down the years, though MOST after 2003.

then we have the not so obviously violent use of unsuspecting citizens in "experiments" many of which permanently damaged them mentally and physically. these go back at LEAST to the 40s. lexx knows far more about these than i do.

then there are the multitude of OPEN experiments with citizen guinea pigs like birth control in various forms, genetically modified foodstuffs (which date back to well before anyone noticed) etc etc etc. i am fortunate to have taken part in many of those with no ill effects.

i agree with the judge, it is MOST fortunate that no one was killed if she fired a shot, though it sounds like she did not aim at anyone, nor did she shoot at those armed goons OUTSIDE from within the house.