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Topic: Obama Says He Can Kill Americans With Drone Attacks!
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juniperb
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posted February 07, 2013 01:26 PM
  
Ami Anne, to heck with ABC,CBS CNN et al... they tell us their agenda not the world and how it is. I do not buy into their purchased agenda and it is sad to see so many who buy every word a t.v. news reporter utters. Talk to real people from a variety of life styles. There`s your info. quote:
those who shun muslims are no better than those who agreed that jews deserved to be isolated.
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Lexxigramer
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posted February 07, 2013 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Ami Anne, to heck with ABC,CBS CNN et al... they tell us their agenda not the world and how it is. I do not buy into their purchased agenda and it is sad to see so many who buy every word a t.v. news reporter utters. Talk to real people from a variety of life styles. There`s your info.
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Originally posted by katatonic:
those who shun muslims are no better than those who agreed that jews deserved to be isolated.
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Originally posted by jumiperb:
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Ami Anne
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posted February 07, 2013 01:42 PM
I guess no one has a Moderate Muslim who will go on the national scene and condemn Muslim terrorists.
Case closed.------------------
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juniperb
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posted February 07, 2013 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I guess no one has a Moderate Muslim who will go on the national scene and condemn Muslim terrorists.
Case closed.
Ami, moderate Muslims arn`t Barbie dolls one marchs out to play with and make do what we want  They are human beings working and plugging along like the rest of to find success against the terrorists of ALL types. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 07, 2013 01:53 PM
Do you think *I* like to stand up, like I am doing on here, now???? Look at what happened to Salome Rusdie? Just like in Nazi times. EVIL EXISTS BECAUSE GOOD MEN WON"T STAND UP.------------------
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katatonic
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posted February 07, 2013 02:41 PM
They stand up every day they refuse to JOIN the extremists. A 14 year old girl was shot and left for dead for her principles. But if westerners had left her there and refused her care and support she would just be anither casualty you never heard of.Many people think moderate muslims arePLANTS for the jihad. What ezactly would you have them say on tv?? The first moderate muslim i ever met fled lebanon to escape her EXhusband ..divorce was not enough. She had to leave her son with his owner/father ... In france she met and married a christian ex-pat and proceefed to spend her life helping other refugees and everyone around her. Highly educated, cultured and kind, she wrote cookbooks and worked for the lebanese liberation from syrian intrusion. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted February 07, 2013 02:46 PM
People like her are looked at sideways by so many americans. She has written cookbooks and held a high profile educating thru her books and tv appearances about life in lebanon before beirut and much of the country were trashed by war. She is just one of many moderate muslims trying to live a productive life and help their homelands crawl out from under a legacy of colonialism and violence/war/repression.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted February 07, 2013 02:49 PM
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juniperb
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posted February 07, 2013 04:39 PM
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EVIL EXISTS BECAUSE GOOD MEN WON"T STAND UP.
Evil exists because it is the antithesis of Good. Standing up for a cause can be done in many many ways. It does not have to be by repeating agendas from a news source or bellyaching all the time. Good folks go quietly about their business making wonderful changes every day.
Note the Pakistani girl. ------------------
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katatonic
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posted February 07, 2013 04:45 PM
once upon a time it was the native american "savages" that we IMMIGRANTS loved to kill. here is a little piece about a pair of handcuffs from those days. the picture won't copy, at least not with my "expertise":Actual tiny handcuffs used by the U.S. government on Native American children to drag them away from their families and send them to boarding schools where thei...r heritage was stripped from them. Haskell’s Cultural Center & Museum, located on campus, tells the full—and often cruel—story of Haskell’s painful past as well as providing a venue to showcase Native art, culture from the past and present. Opened in 2002, the center features the permanent exhibit Honoring Our Children Through Seasons of Sacrifice, Survival, Change and Celebration, featuring artifacts, photos and letters from the school’s early days.
Among the artifacts currently on display is a heavy lock and key from the small on site jail used to punish unruly students. Soon, perhaps, the handcuffs will be included among these artifacts, adding its chilling testimony regarding the practices used by early educators to kill the Indian and save the child.
Not much is known about the diminutive handcuffs, which were donated to the Cultural Center in 1989 by a non-Indian man who described their use to Bobbi Rahder, former director of the Haskell Cultural Center & Museum. “He told us they were used to restrain captured Indian children who were being taken to boarding schools,” says Rahder. The middle-age white man said his father had the handcuffs for years but that he no longer wanted to have them in his possession. “He seemed relieved to get rid of them,” Rahder recalls.
I made many phone calls, but was unable to track down the man, who is said to have lived in Lawrence. According to Rahder, he failed to respond to messages they had left him over the years, and he has not been seen at Haskell since the day he brought the handcuffs to the Cultural Center. “It was all very vague. He didn’t tell us how his father came to have the handcuffs. He just showed up one day and donated them to the Center."
Mysterious donations are common at the Cultural Center. The handcuffs, however, were much different, “I was shocked and afraid to touch them."A number of elders and leaders, conducted a modest ceremony the next day at the school’s medicine fire. Women from the Creek and Choctaw Nations, provided a tiny handmade quilt in which the handcuffs were reverently wrapped before being stored in the Cultural Center’s archives. The handcuffs remained in storage for more than 20 years.
Although the Cultural Center displays a number of artifacts related to the harsh treatment of early Indian students at Haskell, the handcuffs were simply too painful to be addressed. Elders blessed the handcuffs and were further advised to put them away. The handcuffs languished in the archives of the center until this past summer.
As word of the handcuffs began to leak out over the past few years, students and faculty began discussing the importance of acknowledging their existence and putting them on display. For whatever reason, no one at the school has been willing to take the lead in the handling of this powerful artifact, but with the approval of Haskell administration, it was agreed to unwrap them for ICTMN.
The tiny handcuffs are a tangible example of the painful history between Native people and the U.S. “The history of our genocide has been so swept under the rug by the mainstream. People need to see the impact that these policies had on us,“ she says. “If those handcuffs could talk, they would tell some terrible stories,” she says.
Steve Prue, spokesman for Haskell, says there are no immediate plans regarding how the handcuffs will be presented to the public, nor how they will be displayed. He agrees with students that the handcuffs are an appropriate item to be included in displays of other Haskell artifacts at the Cultural Center. “It’s good to have these sorts of things on display in the Cultural Center,” he says. “They tell the real story of who truly paid the price for us to be here today.” There is no doubt, to any compassionate reader of this horrid and unspeakable history, as to who were the real savages were. - joy harjo posted this via someone else on FB. she is one of the lucky ones(a cherokee from oklahoma) who was a teen in the 60s when civil rights was a reality on many people's minds. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 07, 2013 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Evil exists because it is the antithesis of Good. Standing up for a cause can be done in many many ways. It does not have to be by repeating agendas from a news source or bellyaching all the time. Good folks go quietly about their business making wonderful changes every day.
Note the Pakistani girl.
One must always stand up to evil. Muslim terrorism is evil. Evil exists because good people do NOTHING. Denying and "going about your life" is NOTHING ------------------
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katatonic
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posted February 07, 2013 04:59 PM
there are no simplistic answers to the drone question, but now it is on the table, out in the open, and hopefully the legislation that comes out of this will protect our rights and those of others. i'm not an optimist when it comes to government, but i still pray for the best and for our "leaders" to be wise.i can imagine what bush would have said "i'm the commander guy, get yer noses out" basically. those who accuse obama's administration of secrecy might ask what the 80+ CLASSIFIED presidential orders bush registered contain? or how long it took to find out what was going on under the last administration? i think we have an incredible amount of transparency considering the complexity of a govt of 300 million diverse people, many so focussed on their own selfish gain that they care nothing for anyone else... i deplore war, always have. but i do realize that there is a little more to being president of a country - where probably more than half the citizens and representatives believe that DEFENSE is the govt's NO ONE PRIORITY - than calling a halt to all agressions. i have never defended obama on drones, monsanto, war, or any number of other situations where i agree he should do better. i find the responses earlier in this thread to be self-serving to say the least, and completely ignoring the points on which i have agreed with you all (or most). i only ask that you examine your own kneejerk reactions to someone who dares to say what you deem "wrong". the world is what it is, but if you think you could do better, hey, run for it. or for something! those who think he should just do what THEY want are being supremely naive. not juni. who is also the most christian person here 364 days of the year. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted February 07, 2013 05:02 PM
and, by the way, do you know you can get your own drone from amazon for under $300? fancy trying to stuff the whole issue back in the closet?IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, tell me some Moderate Muslims who are on ABC, CBS, CNN or MSNBC and speaking out against terrorism. I would want to know.
I don't watch television, and I thought you didn't either. But can you think of any examples of these media outlets humanizing Muslims at all? Are non-Muslims even voicing support for the moderate Muslim community? The media is largely affiliated with/controlled by the War Machine, so I'd be surprised if there was any significant Muslim sympathizing going on. I actually don't know. 'Would like someone more knowledgeable to answer, please. Still, Malalai Joya is occasionally featured in the mainstream media outlets. (Where she is usually grilled/slandered for being against the US occupation of Afghanistan...but still.) IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
People like her are looked at sideways by so many americans. She has written cookbooks and held a high profile educating thru her books and tv appearances about life in lebanon before beirut and much of the country were trashed by war. She is just one of many moderate muslims trying to live a productive life and help their homelands crawl out from under a legacy of colonialism and violence/war/repression.
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Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Ami Anne, to heck with ABC,CBS CNN et al... they tell us their agenda not the world and how it is. I do not buy into their purchased agenda and it is sad to see so many who buy every word a t.v. news reporter utters. Talk to real people from a variety of life styles. There`s your info.
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Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
One must always stand up to evil. Muslim terrorism is evil.
What about American terrorism, Ami? Will you stand up for those 186 children killed in Pakistan, by US drones?
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Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
there are no simplistic answers to the drone question
There are for me. 1) Ban the predator drones
2) Impeach Obama quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
those who accuse obama's administration of secrecy might ask what the 80+ CLASSIFIED presidential orders bush registered contain?
That's just a distraction. FOCUS on the problem with THIS President. quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
i deplore war, always have. but i do realize that there is a little more to being president of a country - where probably more than half the citizens and representatives believe that DEFENSE is the govt's NO ONE PRIORITY - than calling a halt to all agressions.
The aggressions must continue because the people are deluded? The Commander-in-Chief must follow the deluded masses? Wow, THAT sounds like a recipe for success.  I guess it's unthinkable that the President would actually reveal more of the truth to the people, so the people's opinions would line up with reality instead of propaganda. Instead he maniacally covers everything up while boasting about his transparency. Shame on me for wanting more than this? quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
the world is what it is, but if you think you could do better, hey, run for it. or for something!
Run for what? CEO of a multinational corporation? Sounds like you are suggesting no one is entitled to protest unless they have some kind of elevated status. I thought you were a Democrat, so what's the deal with the elitist nonsense?
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Ami Anne
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posted February 07, 2013 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
What about American terrorism, Ami? Will you stand up for those 186 children killed in Pakistan, by US drones?
YES, the drones are horrible and more evidence of the utter incompetence of this President! ------------------
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pire
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posted February 07, 2013 06:12 PM
Faith you take the easy option by being AGAINST. there is no merit here. you care about scoring point in a debate and in taking the line of being AGAINST you are systematically right.
indeed, anyone who gets into politics, no matter what is his color and what kind of policies he implement, he is always bound to have to compromise at some point between his ideas and the environment around him. I am totally convinced that mainstream parties in every country (medias too) are the puppets of different agendas, but I do not think that it is as clear cut as we are led to believe by the Alex jonesss... they don't meet up and decide how to carve the world for their interest. but when one interest group falls, another rises, because humans are interested in personal gains before anything else. and when people get into NGO in africa to save the world, they also enjoy having a big nice car and a salary that allows them, there, to live like Kings.
life is not black and white as you seem to say here. having said that, I do not condone the death of civilians in foreign countries. I am not one of those either. I think where you are dmaging the society (because everyone is, to some extent by their actions) is by introducing the unrest in people's mind. it shows that you consider other more stupids than you, for you think you have a need to elighten them by creating this unrest. well I think you are wrong. and taking the line of being AGAINST all the time isn't exactly a flawless thinking. in any case it is not a brave thinking. Ps: I know now why I feel concerned when you write something here, it is because I recognise myself in your way of thinking. in politics matters and beyond. however I fight everydays to understand différences and appreciate them, and in politics, which is a subject I am deeply interested, I have learned to do that a long time ago. I am Wise enough to understand the shortcomings of eveery sides. and beyond the fighting of policies, there is the fighting for values. and we disagree. You seem to be saying that politics should be perfect, I think politics will never be perfect.
you think that supporting Obama is akin to support drones killing civilians, and I do not. but I will let you figure that out. and from now, since I freed myself from this attachement by understanding that, I will try to not interact with you IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YES, the drones are horrible and more evidence of the utter incompetence of this President!
That's good...how about all civilians killed by US forces in the Middle East? And the terror that remaining civilians live with, in the face of the occupation...does that count for anything? Not trying to pick on you...just wondering if I can get you to see that pre-emptive war is not consistent with Christianity. Especially not when the motives for going into war are totally unclear and/or based on lies. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 07, 2013 06:21 PM
Radical Muslims are BULLIES. They are making everyone afraid, most especially the Moderate Muslims. They kill, behead, maim, rape, sodomize and savage. No one will speak out. Trying to act like it is not happening is being part of the evil imo------------------
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Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
Faith you take the easy option by being AGAINST. there is no merit here. you care about scoring point in a debate and in taking the line of being AGAINST you are systematically right.
That's just your perception. I am IN FAVOR of truth. I am in FAVOR of peace. I support FACTS. Like, what are the FACTS about our foreign policy, what is it really based on? What are the intricacies of the politics of oil? Who benefits from the takeover of the Middle East and now Africa...the people in general, or the corporations and elites who are enslaving the people in a number of ways? Most of all, what does this suggest about my children's future? The search for truth is a positive ideal that I am working towards. You are the one doing no better than hurling tomatoes at me for everything I say. Go learn something, why don't you? EDIT: Oh, I see you added to your original post. Thanks for telling me off. I don't like you too much, either. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 07, 2013 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Radical Muslims are BULLIES. They are making everyone afraid, most especially the Moderate Muslims. They kill, behead, maim, rape, sodomize and savage. No one will speak out. Trying to act like it is not happening is being part of the evil imo
But Ami, the US isn't protecting women and children in Afghanistan. That is not the real agenda. The US didn't help the innocents in Iraq...the US killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians there. Would I rather be bullied or killed? Would I rather wear a burka or have all my children come out deformed because of the depleted uranium from a foreign occupation polluting everything around me? The Pollyanna version of the war story is not supported by the facts.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 07, 2013 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
But Ami, the US isn't protecting women and children in Afghanistan. That is not the real agenda. The US didn't help the innocents in Iraq...the US killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians there.Would I rather be bullied or killed? Would I rather wear a burka or have all my children come out deformed because of the depleted uranium from a foreign occupation polluting everything around me? The Pollyanna version of the war story is not supported by the facts.
That is bad, too! ------------------
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