posted February 07, 2013 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is bad, too!

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posted February 07, 2013 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
OK then.

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Of course, it is horrible! Everything Obama touches turns into the worse nightmare you can imagine.

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posted February 07, 2013 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

EDIT: Oh, I see you added to your original post. Thanks for telling me off. I don't like you too much, either.

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tell you off?

if it means to reprimand then I didn't do that, you show signs of paranoia. reread what I wrote. I didn't reprimand you.

this is what I wrote:

"Faith you take the easy option by being AGAINST. there is no merit here. you care about scoring point in a debate and in taking the line of being AGAINST you are systematically right.
indeed, anyone who gets into politics, no matter what is his color and what kind of policies he implement, he is always bound to have to compromise at some point between his ideas and the environment around him. I am totally convinced that mainstream parties in every country (medias too) are the puppets of different agendas, but I do not think that it is as clear cut as we are led to believe by the Alex jonesss... they don't meet up and decide how to carve the world for their interest. but when one interest group falls, another rises, because humans are interested in personal gains before anything else. and when people get into NGO in africa to save the world, they also enjoy having a big nice car and a salary that allows them, there, to live like Kings.
life is not black and white as you seem to say here. having said that, I do not condone the death of civilians in foreign countries. I am not one of those either.

I think where you are dmaging the society (because everyone is, to some extent by their actions) is by introducing the unrest in people's mind. it shows that you consider other more stupids than you, for you think you have a need to elighten them by creating this unrest. well I think you are wrong. and taking the line of being AGAINST all the time isn't exactly a flawless thinking. in any case it is not a brave thinking.

Ps: I know now why I feel concerned when you write something here, it is because I recognise myself in your way of thinking. in politics matters and beyond. however I fight everydays to understand différences and appreciate them, and in politics, which is a subject I am deeply interested, I have learned to do that a long time ago. I am Wise enough to understand the shortcomings of eveery sides. and beyond the fighting of policies, there is the fighting for values. and we disagree. You seem to be saying that politics should be perfect, I think politics will never be perfect.
you think that supporting Obama is akin to support drones killing civilians, and I do not.

but I will let you figure that out.

posted February 07, 2013 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
Faith you take the easy option by being AGAINST. there is no merit here. you care about scoring point in a debate and in taking the line of being AGAINST you are systematically right.
indeed, anyone who gets into politics, no matter what is his color and what kind of policies he implement, he is always bound to have to compromise at some point between his ideas and the environment around him. I am totally convinced that mainstream parties in every country (medias too) are the puppets of different agendas, but I do not think that it is as clear cut as we are led to believe by the Alex jonesss... they don't meet up and decide how to carve the world for their interest. but when one interest group falls, another rises, because humans are interested in personal gains before anything else. and when people get into NGO in africa to save the world, they also enjoy having a big nice car and a salary that allows them, there, to live like Kings.
life is not black and white as you seem to say here. having said that, I do not condone the death of civilians in foreign countries. I am not one of those either.

I think where you are dmaging the society (because everyone is, to some extent by their actions) is by introducing the unrest in people's mind. it shows that you consider other more stupids than you, for you think you have a need to elighten them by creating this unrest. well I think you are wrong. and taking the line of being AGAINST all the time isn't exactly a flawless thinking. in any case it is not a brave thinking.

Ps: I know now why I feel concerned when you write something here, it is because I recognise myself in your way of thinking. in politics matters and beyond. however I fight everydays to understand différences and appreciate them, and in politics, which is a subject I am deeply interested, I have learned to do that a long time ago. I am Wise enough to understand the shortcomings of eveery sides. and beyond the fighting of policies, there is the fighting for values. and we disagree. You seem to be saying that politics should be perfect, I think politics will never be perfect.
you think that supporting Obama is akin to support drones killing civilians, and I do not.

but I will let you figure that out.

and from now, since I freed myself from this attachement by understanding that, I will try to not interact with you

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posted February 07, 2013 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Radical Muslims are BULLIES. They are making everyone afraid, most especially the Moderate Muslims. They kill, behead, maim, rape, sodomize and savage. No one will speak out. Trying to act like it is not happening is being part of the evil imo

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Unfortunately Bush & Obama have allowed others to do their dirty work for them, including in sodomy...supported in part by our tax dollars, making the karma they sow for all of us to reap later. Example (btw, the wiki link leaves out that he was sodomized as part of the torture):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

posted February 07, 2013 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
sorry I didn't say she has no merit, I said her position has no merit. from someone who attach so much importance to detail, you missed some important difference here.

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posted February 07, 2013 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
You miss quite a bit yourself, but I won't bother deconstructing your strawmen. I thought you said you were going to leave us little people to figure it out for ourselves, so I shall return the favor.

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posted February 07, 2013 08:33 PM            

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But I am probably more of a non-interventionist than you (?) Because even though the oppression people suffer under sharia law upsets me very much, I don't want the US to invade countries over that. I think US meddling is one factor keeping these countries desperate, and desperation only feeds the religious crime.

Even when we try to "help," often all we're doing is installing a puppet who will cooperate with our demands...but I guess that goes without saying.

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We're probably pretty close. If it were up to me we'd never gotten involved in their affairs in the first place because that was about oil, colonialism, and the cold war, and our actions (and that of other western nations) made it much worse than it would probably have been today if we'd left them alone to want to join us in the 21st century rather than making them hate us with good reason (and thus empowering the radical fundamentalists).

But the milk is spilled so it becomes a bit more complicated. We created the mess and it would be nice if we could help clean it up, and we certainly have a right to defend ourselves (just as they also have the same right), but forces on both sides don't want hostilities to cease for their own evil reasons, and that's the complicating factor. If it were up to me we'd go almost purely defensive...much like the Somali pirates, when they actually attacked our ships the Navy SEALS went in and cleaned their clocks, but they didn't remain around and set up a puppet regime or make ridiculous demands at the point of a gun after.

That said, I share your cynicism of our government going in with noble reasons and their ability to clean up the mess they help make in the first place.

posted February 07, 2013 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
on the contrary, I would be delighted to be told where is my strawman or whatever it is called. please, feel free to tell me...

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posted February 08, 2013 07:16 AM            

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Just saying it would be nice if more Americans were to stand up to this kind of abuse rather than pretend its not happening, especially that which they're forced to pay taxes for.

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People like Juni think there is merit in "going about your daily activities and saying it is screeching to talk about it"

How do you think Hitler got power? With "good people" like this doing nothing.

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posted February 08, 2013 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
But the milk is spilled so it becomes a bit more complicated.

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I think everything is very complicated. And the fact that we are constantly being lied to makes it difficult to have informed opinions about many factors in foreign policy. But I can say with some certainty that I believe the war is driven by the people who profit from it, and who have no real allegiance to America, but are more committed to manifesting a global empire; that the quest for oil is a central theme in these wars...and some other stuff.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
If it were up to me we'd go almost purely defensive...much like the Somali pirates, when they actually attacked our ships the Navy SEALS went in and cleaned their clocks, but they didn't remain around and set up a puppet regime or make ridiculous demands at the point of a gun after.

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Ron Paul talked about using Letters of Marque and Reprisal as the legal solution for dealing with the pirates. Same kind of thing.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
That said, I share your cynicism of our government going in with noble reasons and their ability to clean up the mess they help make in the first place.

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I appreciate how realistic you are. Not sure if I'm being cynical or what...but I believe eyewitness accounts by US soldiers and contractors who say that this notion that we are building up other countries is pure BS.

For example, I've paid a lot of attention to Iraq Veterans Against the War (a group which now includes Afghanistan vets.)

It's not to say that our troops are engaged in nothing but waste, destruction, and drug trafficking over there. But considering the overall thrust of the occupation, I am inclined to see any "positive" reforms as a temporary fixes that mainly serve as talking points.

posted February 08, 2013 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
you care about scoring point in a debate

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Did I get points? Where are my points?

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Originally posted by pire:
I am totally convinced that mainstream parties in every country (medias too) are the puppets of different agendas, but I do not think that it is as clear cut as we are led to believe by the Alex jonesss.

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How many Alex Joneses are there? Was he cloned?

I knew it.

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Originally posted by pire:
and when people get into NGO in africa to save the world, they also enjoy having a big nice car and a salary that allows them, there, to live like Kings.

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I admire you for learning to speak English, I honestly do, but comments like this make no sense.

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Originally posted by pire:
I think where you are dmaging the society (because everyone is, to some extent by their actions) is by introducing the unrest in people's mind.

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You are introducing unrest in my mind. How can you sleep at night??

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Originally posted by pire:
it shows that you consider other more stupids than you, for you think you have a need to elighten them by creating this unrest.

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LOL

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Originally posted by pire:
well I think you are wrong. and taking the line of being AGAINST all the time isn't exactly a flawless thinking. in any case it is not a brave thinking.

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At least it's thinking.

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Originally posted by pire:
you think that supporting Obama is akin to support drones killing civilians, and I do not.

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This reminds me of a joke. It goes like this:

"Aside from all that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

And it reminds me of this Onion article that came out yesterday:

American Citizens Split On DOJ Memo Authorizing Government To Kill Them

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Originally posted by pire:
I will try to not interact with you

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posted February 08, 2013 08:35 AM            

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People like Juni think there is merit in "going about your daily activities and saying it is screeching to talk about it"

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Ami Anne, are you on CNN ABC or MSNBC? I didn`t think so. Go on there and tout your agenda and be counted

You sit day after day telling us what is right and good while you live in a sheltered world where you can afford to sit in judgement.

Not that that`s bad, but it puts you in the bellyaching catagory with pointed fingers at what isn`t. Sure, you speak up HERE, what about in your town hall ,senate floor much less Egypt or Syria ?

You intentionally misread my posts but at least you quote so others can see the folly of your replys

Was Christ a liar?

posted February 08, 2013 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Ami Anne, are you on CNN ABC or MSNBC? I didn`t think so. Go on there and tout your agenda and be counted

You sit day after day telling us what is right and good while you live in a sheltered world where you can afford to sit in judgement.

Not that that`s bad, but it puts you in the bellyaching catagory with pointed fingers at what isn`t. Sure, you speak up HERE, what about in your town hall ,senate floor much less Egypt or Syria ?

Yoy intentionally misread my posts but at least you quote so others can see the folly of your replys

Was Christ a liar?

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Actually,I speak up on my website and I have had an agency, with the name of some kind of security title, in Washington, read 4000 pages of my website. It is very scary to tell the truth about Muslim terrorists, but what about all the silent Germans, who were "good people" who wanted to go about their daily business, like you do.

If you want to be a silent witness, just admit it. Don't cloak it in niceties.

posted February 08, 2013 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Actually,I speak up on my website and I have had an agency, with the name of some kind of security title, in Washington, read 4000 pages of my website. It is very scary to tell the truth about Muslim terrorists, but what about all the silent Germans, who were "good people" who wanted to go about their daily business, like you do.

[b]If you want to be a silent witness, just admit it. Don't cloak it in niceties.

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Silent witness

How many moderate Muslims have you had a candid conversation with since the New Year??

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posted February 08, 2013 09:34 AM            

I am asking you or anyone else to put a name and a face to these "moderate Muslims". See them and KNOW they are not the epitomy of evil . A scapegoat to tack blame & the tag evil on because they don`t work in ways that you find acceptable.. When we stop blaming a race/creed/religion , only then can we learn from history and become better Human Beings.
That`s all.

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posted February 08, 2013 10:16 AM            

I can`t watch vids but I will try to find it in text.

Hope your birthday was wonderful.

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