posted January 15, 2014 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
cat "Allah sends astray who He wills, and guides who He wills"

Ami, I have total faith that God will lead you out of error.

sorry about that, AG.

here you go ..

The Prophet Muhammad, peace be unto him, said, “Aid your brother, whether he is the oppressor or the oppressed.” The companions asked, “How can we aid him and he is the oppressor?” The Prophet responded, “Take him by the hand and prevent him from oppression.” Sahih al-Bukhari

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I guess you didn't read the other parts where it says to kills the infidels, which are Jews and the Christians or make them submit to Islam, Shura.

I could get the actual verse but I will spare you from looking ignorant, Shura.

Anyhoo, lets move on. Shall we! Everyone said his/her piece.

Onto More Quotes as per the intent of Acoustic's fine thread.

Onward and Upward times THREE

Lets move on, please.

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posted January 15, 2014 05:40 PM            

As in the big gotcha story coming out of Fox on Benghazi
context ...

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posted January 15, 2014 09:04 PM            

Prophet Muhammad's message to the Christian monks of St Catherine's monastery:

This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world). http://www.muslimsforpeace.org/holy-prophet/the-covenant/

posted January 15, 2014 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Jews and Christians are not infidels. They are the People of the Book, sons and daughters of Abraham, the common father of Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

Prophet Muhammad's message to the Christian monks of St Catherine's monastery:

This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world). http://www.muslimsforpeace.org/holy-prophet/the-covenant/

"Let there be no compulsion in religion" Sura al-Baqarah

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If you want me to quote the real thing, I will be more than happy to do it. Don't start these quotes if you don't want the real ones, Shura dear

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posted January 15, 2014 09:13 PM            

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posted January 15, 2014 09:25 PM            

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posted January 15, 2014 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Its you who's afraid to come thru, Ami. Perhaps it's too much work? It's a big book, i can understand... Be sure you reference the passage, k?

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I can come up with all the quotes. That is not the issue. I want to leave the subject. Let open minded people Google the Koran.

There is a sanitized version for the American bookstores. Google the real thing. It is not hard to see what it says.

I want to be done with the subject. People need to be smart enough to figure it out for themselves.

Each person will choose on which side they will stand. That is Bible Prophecy.

Lets leave it at that.

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posted January 15, 2014 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Yes i have seen it and sorry, but you have repeatedly threatened, shall i say called shura out but your intimidation doesn't hide the fact you have no intention of putting your money where your mouth is. However a reference in this case will be essential, are you up to that level of grist?

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I have no problem putting up the truth but it is very ugly.

I have told people to Google. If they want to find out the truth, they will Google and find it for themselves.

On my website, I tell it like it is, unmitigated.

On here, I will leave it for those truth seekers to find it out for themselves.

Take care Cata and Shura.

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posted January 16, 2014 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
no point. no show. nothing but instigation and hate of a people you don't understand. sound familiar? it should.

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I was sleeping, Cata

Anyway, this is what I will do. I know all about the Koran just like I know Bible Prophecy and the history of the Middle East.

I do not want to write what the Koran says on here.

I don't want to do that to Randall.

I will write an article on my website. It will be there for anyone who wants to see it.

I am not going to link it, either.

Lets move on from the subject. I am not going to change my POV.

It seems that Shura and you are not gonna change yours.

Take care, Cata

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posted January 16, 2014 08:30 AM            

Everyone is an adult. Everyone can make a choice. In fact, in this time in history, THIS is the choice.

Each person will choose on this ONE issue. It will all come down to this.

Blessings, Cata

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posted January 16, 2014 08:31 AM            

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posted January 16, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Ami, I've read the Quran.

I read it as you have (you have read it, yes?) I once saw what you see.

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Shura dear
You are misguided.

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posted January 16, 2014 10:11 AM            

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posted January 16, 2014 10:22 AM            

However, I will write an article and I will link it to anyone who contacts me by e mail.

Take care

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posted January 16, 2014 11:01 AM            

Shoebat is a fraud.

Shoebat's claim to have been a terrorist rests on his account of the purported bombing of Bank Leumi. But after checking its files, the bank said it had no record of an attack on its Bethlehem branch anywhere in the relevant 1977-79 period. Shoebat told The Jerusalem Post that this could be because the bank building was robustly protected with steel and that the attack may have caused little damage. Asked whether word of the bombing made the news at the time, he said, "I don't know. I didn't read the papers because I was in hiding for the next three days." (In 2004, he had told Britain's Sunday Telegraph: "I was terribly relieved when I heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by my bomb.") Shoebat could not immediately recall the year, or even the time of year, of the purported bombing when talking to the Post by phone from the US.

posted January 16, 2014 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
I'm not afraid. I try not to succumb to mass media fear mongering.

Shoebat is a fraud.

Shoebat's claim to have been a terrorist rests on his account of the purported bombing of Bank Leumi. But after checking its files, the bank said it had no record of an attack on its Bethlehem branch anywhere in the relevant 1977-79 period. Shoebat told The Jerusalem Post that this could be because the bank building was robustly protected with steel and that the attack may have caused little damage. Asked whether word of the bombing made the news at the time, he said, "I don't know. I didn't read the papers because I was in hiding for the next three days." (In 2004, he had told Britain's Sunday Telegraph: "I was terribly relieved when I heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by my bomb.") Shoebat could not immediately recall the year, or even the time of year, of the purported bombing when talking to the Post by phone from the US.

Visitors to Shoebat's Internet site are encouraged to make a donation to his foundation to enable him to disseminate his message. However, a notice on the page states that for "security reasons," the money will not be debited to his foundation, but rather to a company called Top Executive Media. The name Top Executive Media is used by a greetings card firm from Pennsylvania called Top Executive Greetings, a company with an annual turnover of $500,000. When one makes a donation through the Shoebat Internet site, the Web address changes to topexecutivegreetings.com/shoebat. This seems to be the only active page for the company; its homepage is blank. Asked by the Post whether the Walid Shoebat Foundation is a registered charity, Shoebat replied that it is registered in Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania State Attorney's office said it had no record of a charity registered under this name.

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Shoebat is as real as the most real thing in life, Shura dear.

Shoebat is the real deal and he pays for it by having to be in constant hiding.

If there is not a danger in speaking out, why do people like Rushdie have to go into hiding?

Anyway, there is nothing more to say to you, Shura.

God will be the final judge of this issue and all men, that includes you and me.

I know I am on the right side of it.

Take care, Shura

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posted January 16, 2014 11:43 AM            

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posted January 16, 2014 12:16 PM            

The fact is Ami it doesn't matter if you post it or not. In tge 30s in Germany anyone who wanted to say the same things abour Jews could find bloodcurdling parts of the Bible and commandments from God to the Jews - and Christians too - to demonstrate the dangerous natire if the people they had chosen to "be the problem".

IE you are the source not the Quran. There are plenty of examples of bloodthirstiness and righteous religious - and Patriotic - murder in most religions and nations.

The main point is that you come to these conclusions and make sweeping accusations about everyone you have judged wicked...and it is your standard MO to have no backup. This is demonizing and abuse and no Jew should consent to indulge in exactly what was done in Germany. You need to look in the mirror. Cause when the govt or masses come for Arabs and Muslims, they might just mistake you for one.