posted September 03, 2013 01:24 AM            

We could start with his stand (s) on slavery perhaps..also relevant today, don't you agree?

posted September 03, 2013 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Hello Socialists!!

Isn't there any Socialist here who wants to take on the father of the US Constitution in regard to Socialist welfare benefits dispensed by the feds??

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Jwhop, They don't call themselves socialists. That would mean facing the truth

These people lie to themselves so desperately.

That is the number one caveat you have to know to deal with them

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posted September 03, 2013 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
This thread is for quotes, jwhop. Why don't you start one on James Madison , perhaps we can discuss his ideas if that's not too far outside of the boxing ring for you.

We could start with his stand (s) on slavery perhaps..also relevant today, don't you agree?

You can bring miz Scarlett as a second xx

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You need to get out of the PAST and into the present.

You want to live in a time when people hated people for superficial things.

That is over, to a large extent.

Wake up and move freaking on

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posted September 03, 2013 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Thank you for underlining my points again,Miz Ami

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No problem. Glad to be of educational service. I am a Gemini stellium in the 9th-- a born teacher

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posted September 03, 2013 12:28 PM            

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Hello Socialists!!

Isn't there any Socialist here who wants to take on the father of the US Constitution in regards to Socialist welfare benefits dispensed by the feds??

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I'm your huckleberry! Not a Socialist, but definitely your huckleberry.

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I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
~James Madison~

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So no military then? Is that what he's saying? Fight a war for independence, for the virtual welfare of all constituents, but never shall Congress expend money on objects of benevolence?
And all of those social welfare programs we have...they weren't found to be Constitutional by the courts? Is that what we're trying to say here? Because I'm pretty certain they've passed muster despite any ideas of James Madison's.
Fundamentally, on the most basic level, the government exists to be benevolent to the people it serves, and being funded by constituents there is virtually no way for government NOT to use the money of their constituents on serving constituents.

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These people lie to themselves so desperately.

That is the number one caveat you have to know to deal with them

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...Said one of the most reality-challenged individuals here. I notice you didn't take Cata up on her offer to look into all of James Madison's philosophies.

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You need to get out of the PAST and into the present.

You want to live in a time when people hated people for superficial things.

That is over, to a large extent.

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YOU posted the PAST!

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posted September 15, 2013 11:11 AM            

Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians.

The other half are Saudis.

Hamas Minister Faithi Hammad March 23, 2012

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posted September 15, 2013 02:04 PM            

Interesting history of the israel/palestine conflict, written by Jewish authors and going back to before the original israel.

I should say non-zionist jewish authors, though some like to believe i am the only one. (According to the new Israeli definition, I am Jewish, though I have never practiced the religion)

posted September 16, 2013 02:44 PM            

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So when the govt takes your house and returns it to its "rightful owners", native americans, you will smile and pack without argument, right?

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Read the @#@#@ing quote.

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posted September 16, 2013 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
[b]Who are the Americans? Who are the Israelis?

hint: also transplanted peoples. The link is most illuminating, by the way.[/B]

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It is great for you to talk semantics and do word soup when a nation of people are surrounded by enemies who want to drive her into the sea.

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posted September 17, 2013 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Did you read the article I posted? Perhaps you would like to copy/pastw it for those who were unwilling or unable to click on the link? It is full of the history.

So, which states do you think the govt should give to the natives in reparation? And the Mexicans? The blacks?

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This has nothing to do with a nation which is on the BRINK of destruction from rabid enemies and those who won't face the truth because of their own hatred. These are the ones to whom I speak.

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posted September 17, 2013 11:55 AM            

"It is known to all that there is no such thing as "Palestine"( as put forth today) in history.

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posted September 17, 2013 12:01 PM            

There's even a paragraph about Russian jews like my grandmother who had no interest in emigrating to Palestine but came here, where they were allowed to be themselves without making a country in the middle of "arabia" that was born to be a problem.

While I wish only peace to the area, IF it isever established you will only squawk that it us a sign of the end times.

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posted September 17, 2013 01:08 PM            

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Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.

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posted September 17, 2013 03:21 PM            

The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs’ inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

“[During the Middle Ages,] North Africa and the Arab Middle East became places of refuge and a haven for the persecuted Jews of Spain and elsewhere...In the Holy Land...they lived together in [relative] harmony, a harmony only disrupted when the Zionists began to claim that Palestine was the ‘rightful’ possession of the ‘Jewish people’ to the exclusion of its Moslem and Christian inhabitants.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

“Serfs they (the Jews) were in the lands of the Diaspora, and suddenly they find themselves in freedom [in Palestine]; and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause, and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.” Zionist writer Ahad Ha’am, quoted in Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

“An article by Yitzhak Epstein, published in Hashiloah in 1907...called for a new Zionist policy towards the Arabs after 30 years of settlement activity...Like Ahad-Ha’am in 1891, Epstein claims that no good land is vacant, so Jewish settlement meant Arab dispossession...Epstein’s solution to the problem, so that a new “Jewish question” may be avoided, is the creation of a bi-national, non-exclusive program of settlement and development. Purchasing land should not involve the dispossession of poor sharecroppers. It should mean creating a joint farming community, where the Arabs will enjoy modern technology. Schools, hospitals and libraries should be non-exclusivist and education bilingual...The vision of non-exclusivist, peaceful cooperation to replace the practice of dispossession found few takers. Epstein was maligned and scorned for his faintheartedness.” Israeli author, Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, “Original Sins.”

and here's my grandmother:
“The pogroms forced many Jews to leave Russia. Societies known as ‘Lovers of Zion,’ which were forerunners of the Zionist organization, convinced some of the frightened emigrants to go to Palestine. There, they argued, Jews would rebuild the ancient Jewish ‘Kingdom of David and Solomon,’ Most Russian Jews ignored their appeal and fled to Europe and the United States. By 1900, almost a million Jews had settled in the United States alone.” “Our Roots Are Still Alive” by The People Press Palestine Book Project

It goes on, for anyone who is interested to describe the mistaken history of "Palestine" as originally Jewish, dispels the myth that the region was barren when Jews arrived only to be made to flourish by their cleverness and industry...

In fact every separatist notion promulgated by the version you offer, Ami, is riddled with falsehoods.

Anyway, I am done trying to have a reasonable conversation on this issue and I am not about to get into a slanging match.

posted September 20, 2013 11:32 PM            

Well, since you put yourself forth as a member of the canine hound species, I think you're definitely overreaching.