posted June 10, 2013 08:03 AM            

“The programs,” said Obama, “are secret in the sense that they are classified, but they are not secret in the sense that when it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program.”

SNOWDEN:

[These documents reveal] "That the NSA routinely lies in response to congressional inquiries about the scope of surveillance in America. I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinised (sic) most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."

OBAMA:

“When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone calls. That’s not what this program was about. As indicated, what the intelligence community is doing is looking at phone numbers and durations of calls. They are not looking at people’s names and they are not looking at content. But, by sifting through this so-called metadata, they may identify potential leads with respect to folks who might engage in terrorism,” he said.

SNOWDEN:

"We hack everyone everywhere. We like to make a distinction between us and the others. But we are in almost every country in the world. We are not at war with these countries."

"The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards...We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."

OBAMA:
“With respect to the Internet and emails, this does not apply to US citizens and it does not apply to people living in the United States,” he said. “And again in this instance, not only is Congress fully appraised of it, but what is also true is that the FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] court has to authorize it.”

SNOWDEN:

"You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying. We can plant bugs in machines. Once you go on the network, I can identify your machine. You will never be safe whatever protections you put in place."

"I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

Obama quote article: http://rt.com/usa/obama-surveillance-nsa-monitoring-385/

Snowden quote article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why

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posted June 10, 2013 07:58 PM            

On Monday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) called Edward Snowden, the man who leaked secrets about National Security Agency surveillance of Americans to the press, a traitor. She told the press, “I don’t look at this as being a whistleblower. I think it’s an act of treason.” She said that Snowden had violated his oath as a government employee to uphold the Constitution: “He violated the oath, he violated the law. That’s treason.”

Treason can carry the death penalty.

Snowden worked for the CIA, then on an NSA contract for Booz-Allen, a private contractor. He told the press about NSA seizure of phone records for millions of Americans, and NSA snooping on Americans’ internet activity.

While Feinstein said she would be open to public hearings on NSA surveillance, she did say that the instances in which the program has done good are classified. Nonetheless, she added, “I’m open to doing a hearing every month, if that’s necessary.”

Snowden has called Wikileaks source Bradley Manning “a classic whistleblower … inspired by the public good.” However, Snowden, unlike Manning, leaked information selectively in order to avoid danger to Americans in the line of fire.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/10/Feinstein-treason-Snowden-NSA

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posted June 11, 2013 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.

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If that is the case, they are using Obama's appeal to the low information voter which exceeded the appeal to THAT group to every other president, so that is prolly the root problem, IQ. they have the perfect candidate to use in Obama and that sounds like it may be the case. It is a match made in hell

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posted June 11, 2013 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.

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I agree IQ.
There is a large % of people who sincerely believe that either the good or bad stops with the President and his admin . Period, hate em or love em, they are the responsible party.

They are unable or unwilling to see the President and his admin as the Great OZ. Smoke and mirrors....

As long as they are busy hating / loving the admin, behind the scenes endeavors carry on. Unnoticed until it`s too late.

Patriot Act anyone?

posted June 11, 2013 08:44 AM            

* Good use of the alien icon

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posted June 11, 2013 08:55 AM            

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posted June 11, 2013 10:58 AM            

House Speaker John Boehner: NSA Leaker a ‘Traitor’
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/

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posted June 11, 2013 11:04 AM            

Michael moore and Rush are on the same side of this--Freedom but you can see from this how deep into the erosion of freedoms are the mainstream Republicans. That was a revelation to me.

All these people want us to be spied on. Do you know that they can listen to your convos when your cell phone is off. If your phone or other device has video, they can videotape you when it is off.

I guess it is over. I am going out to eat Vietnamese

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posted June 11, 2013 02:55 PM            

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posted June 11, 2013 03:29 PM            

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I love the idea that Republicans are now against the Patriot Act. I would love to see Congress repeal the Patriot Act, and then see who tries to use it to their political advantage. Republicans have always championed the Patriot Act, so you can't help but see the irony of this new outrage.

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BINGO

I am outraged by it but then again, I have been against the the Patriot Act from the get go..... I`m just singing my same tune.

posted June 11, 2013 04:54 PM            

The only people who will gain from this are the elite class and that is none of us. Welcome to 1984

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posted June 12, 2013 01:19 AM            

It's a bunch of stupid hypocrisy.

Then there are my Libertarian friends saying "Hey... it's bull no matter who is in office. I told you 10 years ago this was a bad idea"

posted June 12, 2013 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.

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posted June 12, 2013 07:32 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
What I see amongst my FaceBook friends are Republicans using it as an excuse to bash Obama even though they agree with what's going on. And then I see Democrats that don't care what's going on because it's Obama and he's Jesus so it's ok as long as it's not a conservative in office. Or even better "But Bush did it FIRST!"

It's a bunch of stupid hypocrisy.

Then there are my Libertarian friends saying "Hey... it's bull no matter who is in office. I told you 10 years ago this was a bad idea"

I knew when the Patriot Act passed it would open the floodgates, though. Politicians are even more crooked than the average human - Obama is no different - so if you give them an inch they will take a mile further than ever intended.

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posted June 12, 2013 08:29 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
btw - Snowden is a hero.

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YES, TOTALLY.

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posted June 12, 2013 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.

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true, true. The roots of these secret coalitions exist outside the US government, but obviously have infiltrated most if not all branches. Government as a social and power structure is a tool for them, I think, the means to an end, not the end itself. JFK was a traitor to those groups with whom he was formerly aligned, those same groups which placed him in office. You can almost understand their anger.

posted June 12, 2013 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
And that's the reason some of us love JFK. He actually had the courage to face the monster, and he paid the price. Obama won't face the monster but feeds it. And yet people love him as if he is doing the same good as JFK. These people who support Obama are satisfied with the mere pretense of courage, it seems.

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Our modern western society seems based on nothing but pretense. Never what it is, but what it appears to be. Soundbits, catch phrases, memes, commercials. Simplistic images for a lazy, pleasure loving people. Scary times.

The zombie apocalypse, yes?

posted June 12, 2013 04:07 PM            

Panem et circenses.