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Topic: OBAMA vs. EDWARD SNOWDEN Who do you believe?
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 10, 2013 08:03 AM
OBAMA: “I think it’s important to recognize that you can’t have 100 per cent security and also then have 100 per cent privacy and zero inconvenience,” the president told the crowd while delivering several minutes of unscripted remarks about the NSA."“The programs,” said Obama, “are secret in the sense that they are classified, but they are not secret in the sense that when it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program.” SNOWDEN: [These documents reveal] "That the NSA routinely lies in response to congressional inquiries about the scope of surveillance in America. I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinised (sic) most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians." OBAMA: “When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone calls. That’s not what this program was about. As indicated, what the intelligence community is doing is looking at phone numbers and durations of calls. They are not looking at people’s names and they are not looking at content. But, by sifting through this so-called metadata, they may identify potential leads with respect to folks who might engage in terrorism,” he said. SNOWDEN:
"We hack everyone everywhere. We like to make a distinction between us and the others. But we are in almost every country in the world. We are not at war with these countries." "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards...We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians." OBAMA: “With respect to the Internet and emails, this does not apply to US citizens and it does not apply to people living in the United States,” he said. “And again in this instance, not only is Congress fully appraised of it, but what is also true is that the FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] court has to authorize it.” SNOWDEN: "You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying. We can plant bugs in machines. Once you go on the network, I can identify your machine. You will never be safe whatever protections you put in place." "I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under." Obama quote article: http://rt.com/usa/obama-surveillance-nsa-monitoring-385/ Snowden quote article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 28762 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 10, 2013 01:51 PM
He said he had the authority to wiretap anyone--even judges or the President.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 10, 2013 07:58 PM
Feinstein: NSA Leaker Committed 'Treason' On Monday, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) called Edward Snowden, the man who leaked secrets about National Security Agency surveillance of Americans to the press, a traitor. She told the press, “I don’t look at this as being a whistleblower. I think it’s an act of treason.” She said that Snowden had violated his oath as a government employee to uphold the Constitution: “He violated the oath, he violated the law. That’s treason.”
Treason can carry the death penalty. Snowden worked for the CIA, then on an NSA contract for Booz-Allen, a private contractor. He told the press about NSA seizure of phone records for millions of Americans, and NSA snooping on Americans’ internet activity. While Feinstein said she would be open to public hearings on NSA surveillance, she did say that the instances in which the program has done good are classified. Nonetheless, she added, “I’m open to doing a hearing every month, if that’s necessary.” Snowden has called Wikileaks source Bradley Manning “a classic whistleblower … inspired by the public good.” However, Snowden, unlike Manning, leaked information selectively in order to avoid danger to Americans in the line of fire. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/10/Feinstein-treason-Snowden-NSA ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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iQ Moderator Posts: 4495 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2013 05:48 AM
There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 08:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.
If that is the case, they are using Obama's appeal to the low information voter which exceeded the appeal to THAT group to every other president, so that is prolly the root problem, IQ. they have the perfect candidate to use in Obama and that sounds like it may be the case. It is a match made in hell ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/frown.gif) ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 6914 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2013 08:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.
I agree IQ. There is a large % of people who sincerely believe that either the good or bad stops with the President and his admin . Period, hate em or love em, they are the responsible party. They are unable or unwilling to see the President and his admin as the Great OZ. Smoke and mirrors.... As long as they are busy hating / loving the admin, behind the scenes endeavors carry on. Unnoticed until it`s too late. Patriot Act anyone? ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 08:44 AM
Obama was the perfect choice for the Low information voter. If IQ is right and he sounds right and knows a great deal, then Obama was the perfect storm for tyranny. Wake up, People. Use your heads. That is what you were given one for. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/alien.gif) * Good use of the alien icon ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/joker.gif)
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 08:55 AM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 28762 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2013 10:10 AM
More revelations are forthcoming.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 10:58 AM
This one statement shows that all sides are traitors ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/alien.gif) I still think there are some honest people out there like Rand Paul, Sarah pain, Allen West and people of that nature but the mainstream of BOTH parties are rotten based on the above statement by BoehnerHouse Speaker John Boehner: NSA Leaker a ‘Traitor’ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-nsa-leaker-a-traitor/ ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 11:04 AM
You can see by who labels him a traitor who is a dirty sold out @#@#@.Michael moore and Rush are on the same side of this--Freedom but you can see from this how deep into the erosion of freedoms are the mainstream Republicans. That was a revelation to me. All these people want us to be spied on. Do you know that they can listen to your convos when your cell phone is off. If your phone or other device has video, they can videotape you when it is off. I guess it is over. I am going out to eat Vietnamese ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/devil.gif) ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 11:18 AM
"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from his government" -Thomas Paine.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 7506 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2013 01:27 PM
I love the idea that Republicans are now against the Patriot Act. I would love to see Congress repeal the Patriot Act, and then see who tries to use it to their political advantage. Republicans have always championed the Patriot Act, so you can't help but see the irony of this new outrage.On the flip side, no President in their right mind is going to stop the provisions of the Patriot Act, because one terrorist act on American soil, and the whole country is going to be upset that the President didn't do everything in his (or her) power to stop it. Programs like PRISM constitute doing everything the government can to stop terrorist attacks. Is Obama stupid enough to cut short that program, and watch his Presidency become meaningless in the face of a new terror attack? No. He's the last person who would get on board with shutting that program down. People already have the perception that Democrats are weak on national security. He's not going to play in to that hand, and offer up a means for Conservatives to have a platform. A President not tending to his national security duties is obviously going to be a great platform for the opposing party. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 02:55 PM
Just went to the Vietnamese restaurant and had a Thai salad. It was amazing and the rest is over. ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/roll.gif) ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 6914 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2013 03:29 PM
quote: I love the idea that Republicans are now against the Patriot Act. I would love to see Congress repeal the Patriot Act, and then see who tries to use it to their political advantage. Republicans have always championed the Patriot Act, so you can't help but see the irony of this new outrage.
BINGO ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) I am outraged by it but then again, I have been against the the Patriot Act from the get go..... I`m just singing my same tune. ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 11, 2013 04:54 PM
Well, Obama was the perfect patsy to use. No wonder all his records are sealed. The game is up. The really good people are discouraged. Even Michael Moore wants freedom. The only people who will gain from this are the elite class and that is none of us. Welcome to 1984 ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/roll.gif) ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1210 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2013 01:19 AM
What I see amongst my FaceBook friends are Republicans using it as an excuse to bash Obama even though they agree with what's going on. And then I see Democrats that don't care what's going on because it's Obama and he's Jesus so it's ok as long as it's not a conservative in office. Or even better "But Bush did it FIRST!"It's a bunch of stupid hypocrisy. Then there are my Libertarian friends saying "Hey... it's bull no matter who is in office. I told you 10 years ago this was a bad idea" I knew when the Patriot Act passed it would open the floodgates, though. Politicians are even more crooked than the average human - Obama is no different - so if you give them an inch they will take a mile further than ever intended. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Moderator Posts: 1210 From: The Beach Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2013 01:19 AM
btw - Snowden is a hero.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 4679 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 12, 2013 07:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.
And that's the reason some of us love JFK. He actually had the courage to face the monster, and he paid the price. Obama won't face the monster but feeds it. And yet people love him as if he is doing the same good as JFK. These people who support Obama are satisfied with the mere pretense of courage, it seems.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 4679 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 12, 2013 07:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by MoonWitch: What I see amongst my FaceBook friends are Republicans using it as an excuse to bash Obama even though they agree with what's going on. And then I see Democrats that don't care what's going on because it's Obama and he's Jesus so it's ok as long as it's not a conservative in office. Or even better "But Bush did it FIRST!"It's a bunch of stupid hypocrisy. Then there are my Libertarian friends saying "Hey... it's bull no matter who is in office. I told you 10 years ago this was a bad idea" I knew when the Patriot Act passed it would open the floodgates, though. Politicians are even more crooked than the average human - Obama is no different - so if you give them an inch they will take a mile further than ever intended.
Well said. I'm not a Libertarian but I'm amazed at how little people have been paying attention to the extent that we are spied on. Snowden didn't reveal much that I wasn't already aware of: I knew the general state of affairs, but he supplied the specifics.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 4679 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 12, 2013 07:39 AM
Are you all familiar with Main Core yet?Some are saying that the NSA uses its stolen, intercepted communications to build that list. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 42595 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 12, 2013 08:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by MoonWitch: btw - Snowden is a hero.
YES, TOTALLY. ------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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shura Knowflake Posts: 625 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 12, 2013 03:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by iQ: There are Secret Groups in CIA and NSA that have more powers than the US president. Such surveillance will continue irrespective of who the President is. They have a mountain of data on Obama himself. JFK was the last President who tried to clip the wings of the secret power centers, and we all know what happened to him.
true, true. The roots of these secret coalitions exist outside the US government, but obviously have infiltrated most if not all branches. Government as a social and power structure is a tool for them, I think, the means to an end, not the end itself. JFK was a traitor to those groups with whom he was formerly aligned, those same groups which placed him in office. You can almost understand their anger. IP: Logged |
shura Knowflake Posts: 625 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 12, 2013 03:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: And that's the reason some of us love JFK. He actually had the courage to face the monster, and he paid the price. Obama won't face the monster but feeds it. And yet people love him as if he is doing the same good as JFK. These people who support Obama are satisfied with the mere pretense of courage, it seems.
Our modern western society seems based on nothing but pretense. Never what it is, but what it appears to be. Soundbits, catch phrases, memes, commercials. Simplistic images for a lazy, pleasure loving people. Scary times. The zombie apocalypse, yes? ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/laugh.gif) IP: Logged |
mockingbird Knowflake Posts: 1722 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted June 12, 2013 04:07 PM
^ I don't think that's anything new.Panem et circenses. ------------------ If I've included this sig, it's because I'm posting from a mobile device. Please excuse all outrageous typos and confusing auto-corrects. IP: Logged |