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jwhop
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posted November 13, 2013 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So far, there's been about 28,000 signups for O'BomberCare on Healthcare dot gov.

During this same period, about 5,000,000..5 MILLION Americans have had their health insurance canceled because of O'BomberCare.

"IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN YOU CAN KEEP IT.

God, what a liar O'Bomber really is.

It's even worse when you know O'Bomber knew way, way, way back in March of 2010 that 10-15 Millionm individual health insurance policies would be canceled because of O'BomberCare. We know this is true because his policy advisors told him so but he continued to lie to America on the advice of his political advisors...to get O'BomberCare passed.

"IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN YOU CAN KEEP IT...PERIOD!

Gigantic lie!

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posted November 13, 2013 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama doesn't care. All he cared about was getting his signature legislation passed.

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posted November 14, 2013 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bottom line

NoBama wants to destroy the US as we know it and love it.

He wants to bring it down. How better than to destroy private enterprise like Insurance Companies?

How better than to destroy healthcare?

NoBama doesn't care if you don't like him. He is destroying us.

He has the last laugh.

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posted November 17, 2013 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it is allowed for people to keep their insurance another year, it will topple Obamacare even more. He can't win either way.

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posted November 17, 2013 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
If it is allowed for people to keep their insurance another year, it will topple Obamacare even more. He can't win either way.

What can the insurance company do now, in a practical way? They are in a totally impossible position.

NoBama wins either way because he destroys more and more people and more and more industries.

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posted November 17, 2013 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that it's a rock-and-a-hard-place decision, but I think the fix actually kind of hurts things, because it gives people more reason to try to stay away therefore not really learning whether the new system will be manageable for themselves or not.

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Imagine! If forced Obamacare was never instituted,
no need for this embarassment, the fix and Dems wouldn`t be on shakey ground.

A domino effect if I ever saw one!

I agree about the delay, people won`t attempt utilizing the maligned and malfunctioning system and more problems will occur.

I certainly think the change [and disruption]
is quite what his voters hoped for.
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posted November 20, 2013 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It wasn't only O'Bomber who lied..."If you like your health insurance you can keep it; If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor".

To date, 27 US Senators...all of the demoscat variety...are found to have told voters the exact same lies.

Now, about half of these demoscat Senators are looking for a rock to crawl under to escape the wrath of their voters in the coming 2014 elections. They want republicans to join with them to delay the individual mandates associated with O'BomberCare.

They seem to have forgotten all about the votes they took just a few weeks ago when republicans offered to delay O'BomberCare in exchange for republican votes to fund the government.

Instead, these Senators and Hairy Reid decided to reject the republican offer and shut down the federal government instead.

They could have had exactly what they're pining for now but they rejected it then. So, why should republicans now give them any cover at all? Answer...republicans shouldn't.

27 Democratic senators who promised you could keep your health coverage
BYRON YORK
NOVEMBER 15, 2013 AT 5:45 PM

President Obama has taken a lot of heat for promising that if Americans liked the health coverage that they had before Obamacare, they would be able to keep it under the new law. But the president wasn't the only Democrat in Washington who made that false promise. Many, many other Democratic officeholders said the same thing.

In fact, the keep-your-coverage pledge was key to some Democrats' decision to support the Affordable Care Act. For example, when the bill was being debated, New Hampshire Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen said, "[A] requirement that I have for supporting a bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that." For many Democrats, the keep-your-coverage pledge was not a throwaway line; it was a fundamental part of their case for Obamacare.

How many Democrats made the promise? There's no comprehensive list of all of them, but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's office has compiled a list of 27 Democratic senators who pledged that Americans could keep their coverage under Obamacare. The list includes the entire Democratic leadership in the Senate as well as Democrats facing tough re-election races in 2014, like Mary Landrieu, Mark Begich, and Kay Hagan. Here is that list, compiled by McConnell's office:

SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we're going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they're happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they're happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you'll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won't have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President's promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the chairman's mark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That's a strong commitment. It's clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That's the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you'll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won't. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “…it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.”(Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)
http://washingtonexaminer.com/27-democratic-senators-who-promised-you-could-keep-your-health-coverage/article/2539245

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posted November 20, 2013 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the chairman's mark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That's a strong commitment. It's clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That's the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

Her bottom line now is waffling. She is really scrambling to seperate herself from that and this statement.

A reply from Stabenow when asked to repeal Obamacare http://freedomrollcall.com/post/60977397696/my-buddy-aaron-deaton-wrote-sen-debbie- stabenow

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posted November 20, 2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep Jwhop

All sell outs like NoBama.

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posted November 20, 2013 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And so it has been arranged. Just try getting your insurance co to comply...they are the ones who played fast and loose with people's ignorance of their rights to keep their policies. Along with some employers who also used that ignorance to cut back on benefits and blamed non existent requirements in the law.

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posted November 20, 2013 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently some people don't get it because they won't believe it.

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posted November 20, 2013 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
And so it has been arranged. Just try getting your insurance co to comply...they are the ones who played fast and loose with people's ignorance of their rights to keep their policies. Along with some employers who also used that ignorance to cut back on benefits and blamed non existent requirements in the law.


Is this for real? I think I live in an alternative universe with these people.



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posted November 20, 2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
And so it has been arranged. Just try getting your insurance co to comply...they are the ones who played fast and loose with people's ignorance of their rights to keep their policies. Along with some employers who also used that ignorance to cut back on benefits and blamed non existent requirements in the law.



I haven`t heard what the % of Michiganders have been canceled but the cry is heard nightly on local reporting.

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posted November 20, 2013 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those who allowed their insurers to con them into altered policies have been cancelled due to the requirement that the policy in position in '10 be kept. That has now been reversed but there are probablystill insurers trying it on.

Your policy does not have to be in compliance to continue at least for the next year. Of course, having talked people into spending more, the insurers are not pleased to revert to cheaper policies and they will moan about the paperwork.

Just as Monsanto claim relabelling will cost a fortune even though the same products already have labels including GMOs for most of the world and the cost was negligible to make that happen...

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posted November 20, 2013 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My policy is in compliance albiet with a higher premium and deductable.

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posted November 20, 2013 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's face it. Everyone is going to get screwed with NOBama care. Hence, the phone number

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posted November 20, 2013 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Higher insurance premiums and higher deductibles are the order of the day under O'BomberCare.

In 45 out of the 50 states higher premiums and higher deductibles are the norm.

Welcome to the O'BomberCare deception.

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posted November 21, 2013 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Higher insurance premiums and higher deductibles are the order of the day under O'BomberCare.

In 45 out of the 50 states higher premiums and higher deductibles are the norm.

Welcome to the O'BomberCare deception.


I agree and the nightmare is just getting started. I listened to an interview last night and the ladys deductable went from $1,000 to $17,000 with a higher premium . She chose the fine and quit trying to replace her canceled insurance (as I would).

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I wouldn't be able to believe such a story, Juni. From what I know of the program, that doesn't sound possible. It's stories like that that make people afraid to look.

For instance, I'm planning on paying about $5,160/yr for my no-deductible plan. How is it that her deductible is over three times the amount I'll pay in premiums for a no deductible plan?

I think the highest family deductible allowed by law is $12,700.

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I wouldn't be able to believe such a story, Juni. From what I know of the program, that doesn't sound possible. It's stories like that that make people afraid to look.

Give me a break, Eddie Haskell.

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posted November 24, 2013 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:


Give me a break, Eddie Haskell.


Are you calling AG an insincere sycophant?

You are missing the mark [again] Beaver was the naïve character.

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I wouldn't be able to believe such a story, Juni. From what I know of the program, that doesn't sound possible. It's stories like that that make people afraid to look.

For instance, I'm planning on paying about $5,160/yr for my no-deductible plan. How is it that her deductible is over three times the amount I'll pay in premiums for a no deductible plan?

I think the highest family deductible allowed by law is $12,700.


I`m looking to try to find an article to match the news report to examine.
Is your plan employer sponsored? I`m asking because that is better than most small business employee sponsered plans in mi. (that I am familar with) .

What else I recall about the interview was she was self employed and single.
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Nah Node-y, funny how you see it that way. You diss the most adorable, innocent character and like the suck-up.
We could have the whole Beaver cast right, here. I would be the Beav. Who do you want to be? Lumpy

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@ A.A.

Your reading comprehension is as lacking as your powers of perception.

Where do you read that I prefer one character or the other...for starters.

Pointing out that you are mischaracterizing AG with an ancient TV persona is also lost on you.

Grow up.

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