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AcousticGod
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posted January 14, 2014 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Randall. You can't paint me as the one denying facts when you've been doing so all along. I would much rather say I don't know than accept your divination that you do know despite all evidence to the contrary. What's worse is saying that you know enough about the science to discount it (despite taking a position against the consensus), and attaching a conspiracy on top. It's irrational for you to think you know better than the experts. That is the supreme irrationality that is apparent in these threads. My challenging that irrationality does not amount to being anything close to irrational. (To be honest, I don't know why you even attempt to make me out as irrational, or as having feelings or opinions I don't have. I wouldn't expect anyone attempt to label me incorrectly to ever work where I am present to counter such claims.)

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Just becausea video is on the page doesn't mean I watched the show.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/003779.html

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So we can just agree to disagree, and you can go on expecting the Earth to bake despite no warming relative to record rising CO2 levels.

I don't know what to expect of the Earth. I suspect that I will continue to see news of the effect of the warming that has occurred. I also expect to see some things happen within the science. Things will warm or cool or continue being on a plateau (statistically), and science will evolve around that. (In the meantime, I'll come across loads more attempts by deniers to use every known excuse in the book to deny science, this despite the fact that climate scientists have been diligent in addressing all of these said excuses.)

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posted January 14, 2014 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Randall. You can't paint me as the one denying facts when you've been doing so all along.

You do this, Acoustic. Own it. Where is Jwhop

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posted January 14, 2014 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I presume that you said I watched the show based on a video on the page, when I never mentioned Jesse at all in this thread.

And many scientists back up the idea that man has no control over climate, as I have posted the journal articles thus showing on one of the long threads (which you ignored).

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posted January 14, 2014 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All evidence to the contrary? The evidence shows that the alarmists were wrong at every juncture. Believing in such absurdities simply because you attribute them to be scientists merely shows that you do not think on your own. CO2 is not a pollutant. Labelling it as such is just a con to make money. Why can't you see the obvious? The Earth has been much warmer. Man was not around. Or in the more recent past, man was here, but there were no modern technologies (see my recent middle ages thread).

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posted January 14, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I presume that you said I watched the show based on a video on the page, when I never mentioned Jesse at all in this thread.

You posted a video. That's what I responded to. The video had Jesse Ventura in it, and upon minute research I came to know that Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory show did a hit piece on Maurice Strong. I don't know which part of this is difficult to understand.

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And many scientists back up the idea that man has no control over climate, as I have posted the journal articles thus showing on one of the long threads (which you ignored).

Yes, I did ignore it. Just as I wouldn't post volumes here and expect you to read it, I didn't read when you posted volumes. There's an easier way of attacking the problem, and I used that. It's more efficient. Most recently I posted a graphic from desmogblog citing how many peer-reviewed, published papers on the climate denied the manmade global warming hypothesis: One. Is it not a superior way to come to a conclusion to rely upon people specifically setting out to record the amount of consensus based upon actual, relevant science?

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The evidence shows that the alarmists were wrong at every juncture.

No it doesn't. It wouldn't be the prevalent hypothesis if that were true.

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Believing in such absurdities simply because you attribute them to be scientists merely shows that you do not think on your own.

You and I don't attribute whether people are scientists or not. Their schooling and their practice determines that. Further, it doesn't do anything to suggest I don't think on my own. It's very apparent that I think on my own. It's my decision to consult experts the way any rational person would do in such a situation.

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Labelling it as such is just a con to make money.

It's not. Sure Maurice figured out a way to make money off it, but the ability to make money off of something does not necessitate your belief system.

For instance, say that everyone in a little neighborhood through their garbage in the centralized park. After awhile people decided that this practice was distasteful, and didn't enjoy the consequences of this action. Some entrepreneurial types might offer to clean up the garbage for a fee. Others might volunteer to clean up the garbage because they believe it's the right thing to do. The garbage isn't evidence of the entrepreneur's greed. The garbage isn't evidence of the entrepreneur's desire for control. The garbage is simply something the community wants handled. That people want to make money off it doesn't prove a conspiracy.

It's a case of not being able to see the forest, but for the trees. You stubbornly cling to the option you like, to the detriment of all of the other possibilities. That's why trying to make me out as the close-minded or irrational one is moot. You clearly take those traits on yourself.

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The Earth has been much warmer.

Saying this is a cop out. It's minimizing and trivializing something that has bigger implications. I understand that there's sometimes a need for brevity, but on a subject like this the more nuanced statement is clearly superior to the trite statement.

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Why can't you see the obvious?

I can. I've been illuminating you on the obvious: you don't understand the subject and make wild claims that aren't based on much rational thought.

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posted January 14, 2014 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone read John Gribbin's The Sixth Winter?

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posted January 14, 2014 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, but will look it up!

Randall, you keep talking about how warm it was in dinosaur days as if it has some relevance to whether our civilization, as it exists, can continue in the face of altered climate without any alteration. The two have NO bearing on each other. There were no nuke reactors , no chemical pollution, no cities around the coastlines then.

Maybe we would have been fine but maybe we would do things differently in that climate.

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posted January 14, 2014 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An Ice Age can be triggered quite easily by overwhelming the gulf stream with glacial melt so it shuts down. It doesn't necessarily have to be the result of steep temp rises around the globe. Ask anyone in Alaska - including Sarah Palin - if the glaciers aren't receding at visible, alarming rates...and while regions of Russia formerly known for frost are now arable land.

I take it the Sixth Winter is about the what ifs of a fairly swift turn over to ice age...and the emergency measures that would only save some of us...?

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posted January 14, 2014 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's quite relevant that it has been much warmer prior to man, but Leftists are never ones to get logic.

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posted January 14, 2014 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glacial ice has all but recovered. That's an inconvenient truth for alarmists, isn't it? Gore just made up stuff that we would face in the near future. None of it happened. In fact, none of the cataclysmic, catastrophic, dire predictions of the climate alarmists have come true. That's why we can totally disregard what these faux scientists say. Their scare tactics never come to fruition. The proof is in the pudding. The pudding is just fine. The Earth is doing great.

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posted January 14, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, you miss the obvious points.

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No, but will look it up!

Randall, you keep talking about how warm it was in dinosaur days as if it has some relevance to whether our civilization, as it exists, can continue in the face of altered climate without any alteration. The two have NO bearing on each other. There were no nuke reactors , no chemical pollution, no cities around the coastlines then.

Maybe we would have been fine but maybe we would do things differently in that climate.


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posted January 14, 2014 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Randall, because we don't live like dinosaurs. It's like saying that because people lived before Christianity, we should let the muslims eliminate Christians.

Or, because we survived a blizzard we can deal with permanent frost conditions without any change in lifestyle.

The earth has been thru many climate changes and she will be fine no matter what. That doesn't mean people have thrived thru all those periods. It's a non argument

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posted January 14, 2014 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The Earth is doing great. "

helluva leap there

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posted January 14, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Volumes, AG? You asked for journal articles, and that's what I gave you. Not sure why there has only been one the past year (if that source is true).

If dinos can live, so can we. And we have shelter, AC, fridges, etc.

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posted January 14, 2014 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get my news on glaciers from a friend wgo was raised there and returns regularly and keeps in touch with family. Eyeball evidence.

I'm not convinced man causes this, but if w don't clean up our act it will still put us in jeopardy. We are being shown that w can't afford to just mine and pollute indefinitely without poisoning our food and water.

So people are making money from the chsnges. Why is that worse than opportunists making money when trains and cars came along? Do you think if the movers and shakers are capitalizing that it's immoral?

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posted January 14, 2014 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Do you think if the movers and shakers are capitalizing that it's immoral?"

Now that's a fine question, Catalina. Randall, why can't these noble businessmen make a buck? Create a market, fill a market. That's the American way. Right?

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posted January 14, 2014 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eyeball evidence isn't scientific.

The earth flourished in dino days. There were literally millions more species then than we have today.

We have also have five mass extinctions long before man became involved. In the worst one, 96 percent of all marine species became extinct, 70 percent of all terrestrial, 57 percent of all families, 83 percent of all genera, and also the only mass extinction of insects.

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posted January 14, 2014 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You alarmists should get on your knees every day thanking whatever deity you believe in (if any) that the earth is warm. A couple of degrees rise (which probably will never even happen) is much more favorable than a blanket of ice and 50 below zero for the next 60-100 years. Quit your bellyaching and enjoy the lushness.

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posted January 14, 2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Volumes, AG?


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posted January 14, 2014 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Answer the question, Randall. Business isn't allowed to flourish?

"Lushness"?? C'mon you've tried that one before. It's ludicrous. The place is a mess.

Also, keep your scorecard straight. I'm no alarmist. Please see post above regarding The Sixth Winter. Please infer my meaning.

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posted January 14, 2014 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me help you out. Recently Jwhop gently suggested that your friendly neighborhood health insurance provider and pharmaceutical manufacturer should be allowed to make a profit w/o whiny leftists causing a stink. After all, this is America and we're not red commies. Yet. Following? Now if those health providers and pharmaceutical manufacturers tell a few white lies to protect their vaccine revenues, which I know you support, what's the harm? It's business and they've got to put gas in their private planes just like the rest of us.

See where I'm going here?

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posted January 14, 2014 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps Cat has stumbled upon Randall's deep dark secret. He's an anti business, lush enviro loving, red b@stard commie.

props to Cat. 12 years I've been here and I didn't suss him out.

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posted January 14, 2014 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't name anyone here an alarmist. I merely addressed alarmists, presuming that they know who they are or are not. Considering the mass extinction events of the past, today the Earth is doing magnificently. I have no problem with free enterprise and making ethical profits. Green lies are not ethical. Lying to make profit is fraud.

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posted January 14, 2014 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not an alarmist either, in fact I can't get worked up about the "death of the coal industry" the deniers are screamingabout...new cleaner energy will require many workers to live above ground and retrain, or move sideways in admin jobs, just as the arrival of cars put the pony express out of business but created a whole new way of doing the same thing, only better.

Yes the earth will be fine but if the currentinhabitants refuse.to adapt, they will be the next mass extinction.

As to eyeball evidence it beats opinionated rumour hands down. Isn't that your argument against computer models? They aren't born out by eyeball evidence like the number on your th thermometer today?

Some glaciers are shrinking, some are growing. Where they are is more pertinent than average ice loss.

If warming fails to manifest the carbon tax will die a natural death, meanwhile we don't have to worry abput black lung, slag heaps, polluted water...

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posted January 14, 2014 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of people believe what they are pushing, Randall. Just because there are arguments against doesn't mean the deniers are any more honest than the carbon folk. Their is cynical profiteering on both sides. AND honest believers

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