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Randall
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posted January 19, 2014 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case you haven't heard, there's a little-known lawsuit that could destroy Obamacare, making its way to the Supreme Court. Specifically, Sissel v. United States Department of Health and Human Services asserts that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional because it violates the "Origination Clause."

While it may seem unlikely that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of the plaintiff, stranger things have happened. More importantly, if the individual mandate is deemed unconstitutional, there are a number of ways you can profit. Here's what you should watch for.

The lawsuit

As I previously wrote, the House in 2009 unanimously passed H.R. 3590, the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009." Further, the purpose of the bill was to offer a housing tax break to service members. However, when H.R. 3590 reached the Senate, Harry Reid (D-Nev.) removed all but the first sentence of the original bill, and renamed it the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," which then passed in the Senate and continued on through the legislative process.

Consequently, the Pacific Legal Foundation argues that while H.R. 3590 originated in the House, because of how it was remade in the Senate, it violates the intent of the Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, a.k.a. the "Origination Clause," which states, "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives."
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/01/18/how-to-profit-if-this-new-lawsuit-destroys-obamaca.aspx

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posted January 19, 2014 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We can only pray!

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posted January 19, 2014 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ve read this and the repeal thread. I`m tying them together with my thought.

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Specifically, Sissel v. United States Department of Health and Human Services asserts that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional because it violates the "Origination Clause."

If this isn`t modified in the next two years , much less be made null and void, then I believe we will see this future of OC[ culled from your repeal thread] http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/002412.html

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I, along with most observers, have viewed as doubtful the likelihood that Obamacare ever gets repealed. Even if Republicans manage to regain the White House and the Senate by 2017, there will be tens of millions of people on Obamacare-based coverage by then. Prior to the website fiasco of October, the Congressional Budget Office projected that 34 million Americans would be enrolled in either the exchanges or the Medicaid expansion in 2017. It would be politically impossible to disrupt the coverage of 34 million people.

But what if the number is far less than 34 million? What if it’s only 5 million? Such an epic fail would seem far-fetched, but then again, so did the dismal performance of Obamacare to date.


I don`t have much hope with the lawsuit since the Supreme Court ruled it Constitutional but I certainly do enjoy thinking about the "what ifs" of the author. We shall see it play out....

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posted January 19, 2014 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the thing with Obamacare. It will ruin society from the bottom all the way to the top. This one vehicle will break down the structure of this society, as we know it.

It will do it in a myriad of ways. It will take 40 an hour workers in fast food etc to 29 hours. They will become part of the poor clas.

It will ruin businesses who have to pay huge amounts to insure employees.

Hence, we will put millions and millions of people into the poor class.

The purpose of Obamacare is to get a weakened population which can be controlled a la the manner of socialism.

I hope to God it can be repealed but I have gotten my hopes up too many times to really hope, Randall.

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posted January 19, 2014 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The article doesn't make sense. The PPACA is the healthcare bill, hardly a unanimous pass in the House. It also says Reid removed all but one sentence of the bill, named it and got it passed...that means the famously long bill is one sentence long! This is gobbledygook.


Either something's been left out or this is a spoof? Is fool.com on the level? Are they saying this

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text

Is one sentence long? I'm sorry, not trying to be funny. That doesn't make sense .

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posted January 19, 2014 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure what happened to the link to the text of the bill^

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posted January 19, 2014 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Removed all but one original line and added the rest when renaming it.

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posted January 19, 2014 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So he added one line to the PPACA which passed the Gouse, not unanimously but by large majority...and that one line was the mandate? Are you saying the House never passed the healthcare act? Or are you reading between the lines cause the article text is v unclear!

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posted January 20, 2014 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks quite clear to me. Obviously the Act is more than one line long. He only kept one line of the original bill, added the ACA legislation, and then he renamed the bill.

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posted January 21, 2014 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`m not clear on it either.
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Consequently, the Pacific Legal Foundation argues that while H.R. 3590 originated in the House, because of how it was remade in the Senate, it violates the intent of the Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, a.k.a. the "Origination Clause," which states, "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives."

Origination Clause:

This clause says that all bills for raising revenue must start in the House of Representatives, but the Senate can amend them as in the case of other bills.

What am I missing?

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posted January 21, 2014 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The argument is that it wasn't legitimately amended. It actually originated there, since all but one sentence was removed. It was essentially a brand new bill.

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posted January 21, 2014 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know why taking a sentence from one house-passed bill and incorporating it in another house-passed bill would be an "origination" problem.

I agree with Juni it is highly unlikely to be repealed, though if Republicans ever get control of the Senate snd House together again, and the Whitehouse, it will probably go through some major changes.

In fact the same is likely of Dems take back the house in 16.

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posted January 21, 2014 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's hope the Supreme Court has a greater depth of understanding than you do.

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