posted January 19, 2014 10:38 AM            

The prime minister invents demands that the Palestinians recognize a locked door (the Jewish state). The foreign minister proposes population exchanges, for the same purpose. The justice minister and the peace negotiations testify that what motivates them is preserving the “Jewish character.” The “Judaization” of both the Negev and Galilee remains a legitimate value, as racist as it is. And the war against tens of thousands of African asylum seekers is also fed by the same obsessive motive.

There is no other country that’s so motivated by an obsession. Norway does not say it wants to be the “Norwegian state”; nor, likewise, does the United States. These countries have clear immigration policies, and their character is set by their citizens and governments. The aspiration for a Jewish majority is legitimate, but not when it turns into an obsession.

Once, also during my childhood, we would ask in the youth movement, “Who do you feel closer to, a Druze soldier from Isfiya or a yeshiva student from Brooklyn?” The majority said the Druze soldier. It is possible to assume today, after all the waves of brainwashing, that the answer is different.

posted January 19, 2014 11:03 AM            

Onto writing my article. Try to hold on with your anticipation

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posted January 19, 2014 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Morning, Ami. How are you today? Have you given any thought to yesterdays events? A good dose of contemplation is order, isn't it?

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Hi Shura

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posted January 19, 2014 11:36 AM            

I like the For Dummies series of books. There is something comforting about thinking you can approach a difficult topic like car mechanics with a simple and fun book. The series is brilliant such that I copy it’s theme on a topic or two. The topic of Israel’s right to her land does not need a For Dummies book because it is very simple. It is so simple that I can explain it in a few simple steps.

I have had this manner of discussion with all sorts of Israel haters. Each one, to a man, agreed with the historical facts. Each Israel hater went off to hate Israel in the same breath.

I have seen this time and time again. It is a spiritual problem, not an intellectual one. People who hate Israel hate her because they have a spiritual blindness. Only God can remove those blinders. I have seen these blinders removed in many cases. However, man cannot take off the blinders from the eyes of another man. I have learned that, as well. One can only present the facts and pray for the people.

This article is not about the spiritual but the political, so I will go onto that. I needed to give the above information as to why people would reject overt historical facts in favor of blindness. I think I told you why and now I will move on to the topic.

How Israel Got Her Land

1. There was a Holocaust. There was no place for the Jews to go, so they were murdered in the millions.

2.Chaim Weitzman gave his invention of the chemical formula to England in return for land in the Middle east which England owned.

3. England divided up the land between the Arabs and the Jews. The Arabs picked first and picked the bigger piece. This was called Jordan.

4. The Jews got the leftover smaller piece.

5. The Jews made their sliver of land turn into an oasis. Israel feeds the Middle east and produces as many flowers as Holland. Israel is a mecca for the world in every technology and every other form of man’s achievements. It is a center of light in the Middle East. It is the only place in the Middle east where all people are free because it is a democracy.

6. As soon as Israel became a state, she was invaded by her surrounding Arab enemies.

7. No country can defeat her, then or now. However, they try.

8. Back to the Palestinians, they were thugs from Jordan who got kicked out into refugee camps. They are not any sort of ancient people. That is a lie. They are Jordanians whom Jordan did not want.

9. These fake Palestinian people are used by the Arabs and the Anti Semites to wage war on Israel.

10. The hatred of Israel is Anti-Semitic. The Israel hater is the Jew hater. No one can refute these historical facts.

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posted January 19, 2014 12:16 PM            

You were asking about me. I added a lot to my garden, yesterday and I am so excited. I have so many pretty flowering kale--purple and green.

I got a lot more collards. I really want to make gifts for people of my special recipe I invented.

It is so delicious. I am gonna just go to my neighbors doors with some.

Kindness and love are the reasons for living, Shura dear

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posted January 19, 2014 12:21 PM            

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This 'article' is terribly inaccurate and biased. It reads like a Aryan nation manifesto on African American history.

Ami, you are being manipulated by the far right evangelical movement in much the same way fundamentalist forces within Islam prey on their victims. This goes far to explain your hatred and fear of rogue elements within the Islamic Arab world. You are looking into a mirror and seeing an image of yourself. Deep dark truthful mirror, Ami.

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Shura, with what fact of the 10 don't you agree? tell me the number. I listed 10 facts to make it easy for the people who want to obfuscate the simple.

Tell me the number

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posted January 19, 2014 12:30 PM            

Juni, Faith or anyone of the others can chime in, too. You are most welcome.

1. Do you think there was a Holocaust where millions of Jews were killed because they had no place to go.

Yes or No?

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posted January 19, 2014 12:50 PM            

It may be too long - it is not for dummies - but it is history not a tale told to kindergartners to justify Jewish martyrhood and isolationism.

posted January 19, 2014 12:54 PM            

You will deal with each of these 10 facts or I will end the discussion with you.

You can try to refute each of these facts, if you can figure out how. I would like to see it.

If you don't want to deal with this simple outline of the situation, this conversation is over.

Mazel Tov

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posted January 19, 2014 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
No one is denying the Holocaust Ami. However along with those Jewish victims were others...mentally disabled, gypsies, communists and other "undesirables". All of whom are persecuted to this day with the possible exception of the mentally disabled . Shall we have a country for gypsies then?

Will you give up your neighborhood so they can have a home? How about Native Americans, can they have Florida and ban you for not worshipping the Great Spirit as they do?

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OK lets start here. Some people do deny the Holocaust. The president of Iran did as well as many, many others.

Let Shura answer the question I asked and we will move on to the other 10 points in order.

If you guys don't want to do this, I am ending the discussion now.

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posted January 19, 2014 01:12 PM            

1. Do you believe the Holocaust happened and millions of Jews were killed because they had no place to go?

Yes or No?

I will deal with one question at a time. If you don't want to do that, the discussion is over.

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posted January 19, 2014 01:14 PM            

Shura, do you believe there was a Holocaust? Yes or No?

Juni, the same question.

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posted January 19, 2014 01:18 PM            

Take care

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posted January 19, 2014 01:19 PM            

I will make my own thread. Hope on, if you want

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posted January 19, 2014 04:11 PM            

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but be aware that others will be only mirrors to you... and if the reflection isn't what you think it is supposed to be, it is simply because it isn't there to be reflected ...

now, to add my comment on the original topic, (because it needs to be reminded that this thread wasn't started by a certain ami hijack ann but by shura, I think Israel cannot find peace while palestine isn't recognised as a state by israel, i.e. with borders, with a unified territory of gaza and the west bank.

posted January 19, 2014 04:53 PM            

They chose to come to America because they wanted peace, not constant squabbling over territory with the people who already lived there and felt invaded enough by the British Empire.

That was in the early 20th century. Yes, there was discrimination here, but also legalized religious and cultural tolerance. They learned to speak the language and became Americans as well as Jews. There are so many like them and now the US is a major Jewish stronghold.

It pains me to see Jews insisting on continuing to isolate themselves and stigmatizing people because of an accident of birth. I hope a resolution is coming but I don't see how if both sides continue to dig in their trenches.

posted January 19, 2014 07:34 PM            

Objective, factual information is a necessary component of reasoned debate. We could say Israelis are from Mars. Would that add to the conversation? Again, your intellect is weak because it is being suffocated by irrational fears and half buried emotions. Your lower self is in a hyper defensive, self preservation mode - a dangerous and unreasonable mental state.

No, I am not a Holocaust denier. Neither is the Iranian President Hassan Rouhani:

"I've said before that I am not a historian, and when it comes to speaking of the dimensions of the Holocaust, it is the historians that should reflect," Rouhani told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "But, in general, I can tell you that any crime that happens in history against humanity, including the crime the Nazis created towards the Jews as well as non-Jews is reprehensible and condemnable. Whatever criminality they committed against the Jews, we condemn."

Let's put to rest this silly anti semitic bugaboo of yours, shall we? I have an anarchist streak. I don't appreciate governments. US, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel. I could biitch about the Swedish government all afternoon, if you'd care to join me. I don't hate the Swedes. In fact, I adore Scandinavian history and culture. I'm not especially well informed of Jewish religious practices but my basic emotional reaction to it is of warm affection. I love the sound of spoken Hebrew and a good Jewish cantor is a most beautiful thing. Try this: I believe South Africa was a tyrannical, abusive, apartheid state. I don't white hate folks. Following?
Ami, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your extreme dislike of the Obama administration is not a product of a racist hatred of blacks. I'd like you, devoid of any evidence to contrary, to do me the same courtesy with respect to the Israeli government. If you continue with these ridiculous accusations, I will have no other option than to assume 1) You are trolling. I don't entertain that stupidity and will remove myself from the conversation. Or 2) Your antisemitic paranoia has been fanned to such epic proportions you are incapable of approaching the topic of Israeli politics in an intelligent and objective manner. If the latter, while your psychological well being greatly concerns me, I will likewise remove myself from the conversation.