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Randall
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posted February 03, 2014 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Impeachment talk is all the rage-again.

Rep. Paul Broun, a GOP candidate for U.S. Senate in Georgia, indicated during a tea party-sponsored candidate forum this weekend that he would support the impeachment of President Obama.

Candidates at the Gilmer County GOP forum, including Broun, were asked by a questioner: "Clinton was impeached for perjury. Obama has perjured himself on multiple occasions. Would you support impeachment if presented for a vote?"

Broun, along with two other candidates, Derrick Grayson and Eugene Yu raised their hands, according to video of the event obtained by ABC News (watch video above). Neither Rep. Phil Gingrey nor Rep. Jack Kingston attended the forum.

Broun and his two Congressional colleagues, along with five other candidates, are vying for the Republican nomination to fill the open Senate seat that will be vacated by retiring Sen. Saxby Chambliss.

Throughout the primary, Broun has touted himself as the "true conservative" in the race, and many expect the crowded primary to shift candidates rightward.

In a statement, Broun defended his response to the question.

"If House leadership brought an impeachment vote before the floor, then there would certainly be good reason for doing so, with substantive information and evidence to impeach the President," Broun said. "With the President repeatedly bypassing Congress through executive order, lying to the American people on Obamacare, and failing to address what really happened in Benghazi, I can understand why this would be an important issue to many Georgians right now."

"What I don't understand, is how a candidate can claim to be a proven conservative, and yet if such a resolution was brought up for a vote, they would oppose it," he added.

Support for impeachment isn't exactly controversial in some conservative circles. Last summer, two members of Congress and one Senator discussed impeachment at town hall meetings with their constituents. One, Rep. Kerry Bentivolio, R-Mich., said it would be a "dream come true."

The Republican nominee will likely face a top Democratic recruit, Michelle Nunn, daughter of former Sen. Sam Nunn, in the general election.

The video was first reported by The Daily Caller.

CORRECTION: U.S. Senate candidate Derrick Grayson raised his hand in support of impeachment at the forum, not Art Gardner.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/02/rep-paul-broun-would-back-obama-impeachm ent/

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posted February 03, 2014 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't recall Obama ever being in a position to "perjure himself", let alone doing so...and I would not vote for someone who claims to have made up his mind before a case is even presented, just to cadge a few more "vengeance votes". More lynch mentality being encouraged.

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posted February 03, 2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd vote for him.

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posted February 03, 2014 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another count of ridiculousness.

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posted February 03, 2014 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We will see what is ridiculous when the elections this year are over.

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posted February 04, 2014 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the Republicans get enough seats, an attempted impeachment just might happen.

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posted February 05, 2014 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"and I would not vote for someone who claims to have made up his mind before a case is even presented"...Catalina/katatonic

Don't look now but O'Bomber declared there's not a "smidgen" of corruption involved with the IRS illegally targeting conservative groups by stalling, denying, harassing and intimidating those groups to prevent them from obtaining 501-C4 tax exempt status.

O'Bomber declares this while there's an active FBI investigation of the IRS in progress. Perhaps O'Bomber knows the "fix" is in since one of his campaign contributors was appointed to "head the investigation of the IRS".

So, I'll expect you to follow through and not vote for O'Bomber who.."claims to have made up his mind before a case is even presented"

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posted February 05, 2014 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well he's right on that one. There were two hundred groups in that category that got the same inquiries into their activities, only 70 of which were Conservative. So the claim that they were politically discriminated against is baseless despite Issa's repetitious claims to the contrary.

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posted February 05, 2014 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They went after Capone's taxes because he was a gangster, but he was also truly a tax dodger.

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posted February 05, 2014 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I knew you couldn't be trusted to follow through when you said this...

"and I would not vote for someone who claims to have made up his mind before a case is even presented"...Catalina/katatonic

I knew when I showed you that your little Marxist Messiah had done exactly that you would go into spin control mode and crawfish on what you said.

Then, you pulled phony numbers out of...the thin air, out of your posterior..out of somewhere to show leftists were targeted by the IRS at an even higher rate than Conservatives.

Let's see, you said.."200 groups in that category got the same inquires into their activities, only 70 were conservative".

That means 130 groups were leftists and only 70 were conservative. I think you must have pulled those numbers out of the ass of some far left loon webmaster.

The real numbers are...292 conservative groups were targeted and only 6..SIX leftist groups.

"George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, told Democratic Rep. Sandy Levin of Michigan in a letter that just six progressive groups were targeted compared to 292 conservative groups, reports the Washington Examiner.

Got that Catalina/katatonic? THE TREASURY INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR TAX ADMINISTRATION just blew your nonsense out of the water.

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posted February 05, 2014 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not the numbers I heard, sweet hart. I'll check again when I have time. I would still not vote for someone whose platform appears to be to support more circus acts in Congress rather than getting anything done.


The Federal Bureau of Investigation began investigating the IRS's actions as part of a criminal probe ordered by United States Attorney General Eric Holder.[1] This led to both political and public condemnation of the agency and triggered further investigations.[2] Initial reports had described the targeting as nearly exclusively on conservative groups with terms such as "Tea Party" in their names. Further investigation revealed that certain terms and themes in the applications of liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, though possibly at a lower rate.[3][4][5][6][7] The only known denial of tax-exempt status occurred to a progressive group.[8] The use of target lists continued through May 2013.[9]

Note that only one groups's status was denied, and they were progressives.

More in the same vein..
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-15/irs-sent-same-letter-to-democrats-that-fed-tea-party-row.html

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posted February 05, 2014 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The bold above from wikipedia, as is this:


On June 24, 2013, new IRS commissioner Danny Werfel revealed that an internal investigation had discovered that the targeting was both broader and longer-lasting than had previously been known. The report found that words such as "Israel," "progressive" and "Occupy" were also used as red-flags for greater scrutiny, and that screeners were still using such lists up until May 2013.[9] A spokesman for the Inspector General's office in charge of the IRS audit said they had been asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) “to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations.”[101]

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posted February 05, 2014 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder, jwhop, why you don't realize that the louder you scream ad hominem abuse at those who disagree with you, the more it makes your actual arguments look impotent?

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posted February 05, 2014 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, you should stop digging your hole right now. Number one, you're not staying on topic. Number two, the FBI investigation isn't amounting to ANY criminal charges.

Criminal Charges Not Expected in IRS Probe
FBI Investigation Involves Heightened Scrutiny of Conservative Groups

By Devlin Barrett
Updated Jan. 13, 2014 7:25 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON—The Federal Bureau of Investigation doesn't plan to file criminal charges over the Internal Revenue Service's heightened scrutiny of conservative groups, law-enforcement officials said, a move that likely will only intensify debate over the politically charged scandal.

The officials said investigators didn't find the kind of political bias or "enemy hunting" that would amount to a violation of criminal law. Instead, what emerged during the probe was evidence of a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules about tax-exemption applications it didn't understand, according to the law-enforcement officials.

While the case is still being investigated and could remain open for months, officials familiar with its progress said it is increasingly unlikely any criminal charges will result. That could change, the officials cautioned, if unexpected evidence is discovered that alters their thinking. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303819704579318983271821584

I wondered what the trumped-up reason for impeachment would be. Is this it?

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posted February 05, 2014 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not the numbers you heard Catalina/katatonic?

Perhaps you would be well served to not let leftist loons whisper in your ears.

Let me repeat, the numbers I cited came directly from a letter the US Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration wrote to DEMOSCATS.

So, who are you going to believe Catalina/katatonic; an O'Bomber Inspector General or the far left loons you usually quote here?

GOP investigators to Dems: ‘Stop trying to derail’ IRS investigation
By Joel Gehrke
JUNE 27, 2013


House Republican investigators warned their Democratic counterparts to “stop trying to derail the [IRS] investigation,” in light of the Treasury Department inspector general’s letter to Democratic leaders explaining that liberal groups were not subjected to the same scrutiny that Tea Party groups experienced.

“Our Democratic colleagues should stop trying to derail the investigation by defending IRS officials with distorted claims equating the systematic scrutiny of Tea Party groups with the more routine screening progressive groups received,” said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell lssa, R-Calif., in a statement today. “As TIGTA notes, Tea Party groups and progressive groups were treated very differently by the IRS.”

House Democrats released documents this week suggesting that IRS officials were asked to “be on the lookout” for progressive groups as well as Tea Party groups, which provided the basis for Democrats to argue that the IRS did not target conservatives based on ideology. They also scolded the Treasury Department inspector general, J. Russell George, for reporting that the IRS had targeted conservatives.

“The audit served as the basis and impetus for a wide range of congressional investigations and this new information shows that the foundation of those investigations is flawed in a fundamental way,” Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., the top Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, wrote to the inspector general.

The inspector general replied today, explaining that the IRS disproportionately targeted Tea Party groups — 292 conservative groups, compared to just six liberal groups.

In total, 30 percent of the organizations we identified with the words ‘progress’ or ‘progressive’ in their names were processed as potential political cases,” George wrote Levin. “In comparison, our audit found that 100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases during the timeframe of our audit.”

And the liberal groups were not scrutinized based on their ideological leanings, unlike the Tea Party. George explained that “while we have multiple sources of information corroborating the use of Tea Party and other related criteria we described in our report, including employee interviews, e-mails, and other documents, we found no indication in any of these other materials that ‘Progressives’ was a term used to refer cases for scrutiny for political campaign intervention.”

“Both the Ways and Means and Oversight Committees are methodically working through an investigation following up on the IG audit,” Issa said in his statement today. “Ranking Member Cummings and Ranking Member Levin need to join us in this investigation and not look for every excuse to just say the case is solved and Congress should move on.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-investigators-to-dems-stop-trying-to-derail-irs-investigation/article/2532460

Oh, and I note you're still supporting the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber even though you said you wouldn't support anyone who announced a decision BEFORE IT WENT TO TRIAL.

Let me further note, the IRS investigation is an active investigation of the IRS AND your little Marxist Messiah announced there's not a smidgen of corruption at the IRS relating to conservative targeting by the IRS.

Not only has O'Bomber announced before trial, the Marxist Messiah announced before the investigation is even finished.

Like I said, O'Bomber's campaign contributor was appointed to lead the FBI investigation and O'Bomber knows the FIX IS IN.

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posted February 05, 2014 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually he said there is no EVIDENCE, not no corruption...and I am neither supporting nor dissing him, as the FACTS as stated by the IRS Comissioner and others show that Issa has suppressed all the evidence that shows this was not just about targetting Conservatives (with a capital C of course)...but many possibly politically oriented groups,

due to misunderstanding of their mission as described by official guidelines.

And the only ones denied the status were progressives.

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posted February 05, 2014 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darrel Issa? The participant in Grand Theft Auto? The guy that was suspected of burning down his own company? I can't imagine he'd do anything untoward.

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posted February 05, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Actually he said there is no EVIDENCE, not no corruption"...Catalina/katatonic

Actually, the Marxist Messiah said there's not a smidgen of CORRUPTION in the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

How do you always manage to get it wrong and then...worse, defend your nonsense?

O'REILLY: So you're saying there was no corruption there at all.

OBAMA: That's not what I'm saying.

O'REILLY: I want to know what you're saying. You're the leader of the country.

OBAMA: Absolutely.

O'REILLY: You're saying no corruption, none?

OBAMA: There was some bone-headed decisions.

O'REILLY: Bone-headed decisions. But no mass corruption?

OBAMA: Not even mass corruption. Not even a smidgeon of corruption.

Obama on IRS Scandal: "Not Even A Smidgen Of Corruption"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/02/02/obama_on_irs_scandal_not_even_a_smidgen_of_corruption.html

Must be scraping the very bottom of the leftist trash barrel when you have to recycle old baseless accusations far left loons have made against Issa.

Get a grip. Issa isn't going away and he's not going to stop digging for the truth about O'Bomber's many illegal and unconstitutional actions.

But, if it makes you feel better, feel free to screech, howl, whine and shriek about republicans investigating your little Marxist Messiah.

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posted February 07, 2014 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahah, not a smidgen of corruption at the IRS. So says the Marxist Messiah who has already delivered the verdict on the investigation into IRS criminal activity.

Oh, but wait, the criminal investigation is in progress. Perhaps the Marxist Messiah is psychic or is...THE FIX IN AT THE JUSTICE DEPT TO CLEAR O'BOMBER ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS.

And now, developments look like the targeting of conservative groups was planned by Treasury and IRS officials as far back as 2011. So, perhaps O'Bomber was doing what he's done before, LYING,in his interview with Bill O'Reilly.

Obama's IRS 'Confusion'
New evidence undercuts White House claims about IRS motivation.
Updated Feb. 7, 2014 12:13 a.m. ET

House committees are still digging into the IRS political targeting scandal, and based on a hearing Wednesday there's more to learn. The day produced more evidence blowing apart President Obama's claims that there was "not even a smidgen of corruption" or political motivation in the IRS handling of groups applying for tax-exempt status.

Mr. Obama wants Americans to believe that the targeting resulted from the confusing tax law governing nonprofits, which he says was "difficult" to interpret and resulted in mere "bureaucratic" mistakes. This is also the Administration's justification for issuing new regulations governing 501(c)(4)s that would effectively silence White House opponents this election year. Published in the Federal Register in November, the new rules cite the "lack of a clear and concise" regulation as reason for the rewrite.

House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp blew up this fairy tale at Wednesday's hearing with new IRS Commissioner John Koskinen. Mr. Camp unveiled a June 14, 2012 email from Treasury career attorney Ruth Madrigal to key IRS officials in the tax-exempt department, including former director Lois Lerner.

House Ways and Means Oversight subcommittee Chairman Rep. Charles Boustany (R., La.), left, and ranking member Rep. John Lewis (D., Ga.) on Wednesday before the start of the IRS hearing. Associated Press

The email cites a blog post about the political activity of tax-exempt 501(c)(4) groups and reads: "Don't know who in your organizations [sic] is keeping tabs on c4s, but since we mentioned potentially addressing them (off-plan) in 2013, I've got my radar up and this seemed interesting."

Interesting for sure. The IRS typically puts out a public schedule of coming regulations, and Mr. Camp noted that in this case "off-plan" appears to mean "hidden from the public." He added that committee interviews with IRS officials have found that the new 2013 rules were in the works as early as 2011, meaning the Administration has "fabricated the rationale" for this new regulation.

Mr. Camp added that everything his committee has discovered contradicts the White House argument that the IRS scandal was caused by legal "confusion." The current rules governing 501(c)(4)s have existed, unchanged, since 1959. Prior to 2010 the IRS processed and approved tax-exempt applications in fewer than three months with no apparent befuddlement.

The IRS hyper-scrutiny of conservative groups only began in 2010 amid the Obama Administration's larger political attack on political donors like the Koch brothers, and emails show that IRS officials were acutely aware of this political environment. In February 2010, for example, an IRS screener in Cincinnati flagged an application to his superiors noting: "Recent media attention to this type of organization indicates to me that this is a 'high profile' case."

From then on applications were routed through the offices of Mrs. Lerner and Obama-appointed IRS chief counsel William Wilkins, and long approval delays ensued. Extensive interviews and emails show that neither the initial Cincinnati interest, nor the subsequent Washington delay, was in any way driven by "confusion."

Mr. Koskinen promised in December to restore public trust in the IRS, but he didn't do much of that on Wednesday. He toed the Administration line on the new 501(c)(4) rules, promising to address concerns only "to the extent I have any control" over the process. He refused to say if he'd comply with Mr. Camp's request for IRS and Treasury documents pertaining to the rule-making, fretting instead about low IRS "morale" and lack of funding.

The quickest way Mr. Koskinen could restore public trust in the IRS would be to halt the new politically toxic 501(c)(4) rules until investigations into the original targeting are complete. Meantime, the House should sharply reduce IRS funding until the agency is more responsive.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304181204579365161576171176?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB1000142405270230 4181204579365161576171176.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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posted February 07, 2014 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Must be scraping the very bottom of the leftist trash barrel when you have to recycle old baseless accusations far left loons have made against Issa.

Not baseless. Thus far, they seem rather timelessly in place on Wikipedia for all to see. Surely, there are records to back these contentions up as well. It's not smart to assume you can simply wipe away information with your wish that it wasn't true.

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But, if it makes you feel better, feel free to screech, howl, whine and shriek about republicans investigating your little Marxist Messiah.

No one is doing any of those things. You posted yourself that there's not a smidgen of corruption there. Why in the world would anyone screech, howl, whine or shriek about Republicans on a standard witch hunt? This is par for the course...like the desire to impeach without cause.

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Prior to 2010 the IRS processed and approved tax-exempt applications in fewer than three months with no apparent befuddlement.

I don't know who the writer of this article is, but he or she doesn't seem to know that the designation is self-assigned. There is no approval process.

Your article doesn't appear to be written by a person with any knowledge about 501(c)(4)s.

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posted February 07, 2014 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"Not baseless. Thus far, they seem rather timelessly in place on Wikipedia for all to see. Surely, there are records to back these contentions up as well. It's not smart to assume you can simply wipe away information with your wish that it wasn't true."..acoustic

So, you say there are records detailing Issa's "corruption".

Ok acoustic, trot those records out..right here and let's have a look at them.

Oh and acoustic, I mean RECORDS, not innuendo, not rumor, not supposition and not lies. Got it? RECORDS!

Court RECORDS would be good. Go for it.

So, you got any actual records...like court records? Like depositions? Like admissions? Like interrogatories? Like conviction in a court of law?

Or, are you just talking through your butt as usual?

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posted February 07, 2014 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last I looked Cheney was not spelled I-s-s-a...breathe, jwhop

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posted February 07, 2014 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow...he's been super bad at reading lately.

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posted February 12, 2014 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need to strip away the IRS' power. They tried for a big power grab and lost in court.

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posted February 22, 2014 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you can request approval, so to say there is no approval process is incorrect. Self-assignment is a choice, but so is seeking IRS approval. The author is correct.

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