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posted April 24, 2014 01:37 AM            

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Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed a sweeping gun rights bill on Wednesday.

House Bill 60, also known as the Safe Carry Protection Act, will allow licensed gun owners to carry their firearms into public places, including bars, nightclubs, schools, churches and government buildings.

“People who follow the rules can protect themselves and their families from people who don’t follow the rules,” Deal said, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “The Second Amendment should never be an afterthought. It should reside at the forefronts of our minds.”

The National Rifle Association has praised the bill as "the most comprehensive pro-gun reform legislation introduced in recent state history" and called it a “historic victory for the Second Amendment.” Americans for Responsible Solutions, a gun control organization started by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), fought to defeat the bill, calling it "the most extreme gun bill in America."

Colin Goddard, a survivor of the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting who now works with the advocacy group Everytown For Gun Safety, called the bill "unprecedented."

“The Stand Your Ground expansion is truly a new type of Stand Your Ground as we know it,” Goddard said of the measure, which some critics dubbed the "guns everywhere" bill. “To expand it in such a way to remove all carrying or possession offenses is really unprecedented.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/georgia-gun-bill_n_5199630.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

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posted April 24, 2014 07:15 AM            

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posted April 26, 2014 08:56 AM            

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Guns everywhere!

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posted April 26, 2014 09:29 AM            

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Guns are already everywhere,except now its legally in the hands of the citizens not just the criminals..As it should be

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posted April 26, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Yep!

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posted May 06, 2014 06:57 PM            

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I don't support REQUIRING people to own a gun, but it sure put an end to home burglaries in one Georgia county.

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posted May 07, 2014 08:48 AM            

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Yeah, when Kennesaw Georgia passed that law...every home has to have at least one gun and ammunition...crime in Kennesaw fell 89%.

Of course, the crud just moved on to Atlanta proper and other cities like Decatur.

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posted May 10, 2014 12:44 AM            

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http://www.ajc.com/news/news/cobb-police-investigating-shooting-at-fedex-facili/nfkNR/

"A 19-year-old package handler, who was armed ‘like Rambo,’ opened fire on his co-workers at a FedEx facility in Kennesaw early this morning, injuring six people, before killing himself."

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posted May 11, 2014 02:55 PM            

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This is insane.

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posted May 11, 2014 07:28 PM            

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Yeah, disarming law abiding citizens so they're easy prey for criminals IS insane.

Too bad those FedEx employees weren't armed. Criminals know where the gun free zones are.

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posted May 12, 2014 02:17 AM            

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The shooter was a Fedex employee.

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posted May 12, 2014 02:42 AM            

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Who broke the law by bringing in guns knowing his fellow employees would not be armed (assuming they followed the law). I believe it's reasonable to assume that had the shooter instead been employed by the police or a shooting range that he wouldn't have gone to work to shoot people up (and if he had that it would've turned out different, similar to this).

So many shootings happen in gun free zones (unless they have plenty of armed security present) that I'm automatically more worried about being shot when I enter such a zone.

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posted May 12, 2014 01:19 PM            

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posted May 12, 2014 01:21 PM            

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So you are saying Fedex security guards are unarmed? Seems unlikely but i don't know for sure...

Personally I don't think the citizens of Tombstone were any safer for being armed.

Nor do I think military bases are gun-free zones but they have such "incidents" too. This was not a "criminal" but an employee who shot himself too. And a security guard.

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posted May 12, 2014 01:24 PM            

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posted May 12, 2014 01:28 PM            

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Military bases are gun free zones...in that only MPs are authorized to be armed. If no MPs are on the scene then only the shooter is armed. Think Nidal Hasan at Fort Hood.

Your arguments are specious at best.

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posted May 12, 2014 01:36 PM            

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Carry a gun at all times, do you? Congrats.

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posted May 12, 2014 02:05 PM            

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The fact that Liberals want to unarm citizens is beyond insane.

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posted May 12, 2014 04:27 PM            

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Several studies have confirmed liberals are clinically insane. Far left loon leftists are even more insane.
http://tizona.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/famous-psychiatrist-liberals-are-clinically-i nsane/

Your arguments are still specious...at best.

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posted May 12, 2014 06:04 PM            

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Tombstone doesn't apply. Besides, if the so-called Tombstone was a lot of Old West towns then many weren't allowed to bring in guns anyway. When they were violent it was typically because there was a lot of money (for example, gold is discovered, people come out, vice operations and other seedy operations are set up that also liberally apply alcohol, and fortunes are won and lost in a moment, all in a time when someone who escapes town can probably escape justice, unlike today).

It's not about carrying a gun around all the time anyway, but more about the possibility of someone being able to vs. being reasonably assured no one is. Citing the FedEx shooting doesn't condemn the community and it most certainly doesn't mean they "brought it on themselves."

Finally, contrast Appalachian School of Law shooting vs. Virginia Tech massacre nearby. Students had access to guns (though they had to get them from their cars) in one but not the other. Guess which one was the site of a massacre.

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posted May 12, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Tombstone is a real town in Arizona and yes, of course there were other factors involved. As there always are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tombstone,_Arizona

(interesting to see the reverse dynamic vis a vis the political parties demographics and ideologies)

I haven't suggested anyone be Unarmed. I haven't suggested anything except that the stereotypical mantra that more guns mean less crime is simplistic in the extreme.

But elsewhere in Georgia it HAS been mandated that everyone have a gun. And funnily that is acceptable to the NO MANDATE crowd.

Switzerland is often cited as PROOF that more guns make more peace. Well in Switzerland there are heavy regulations about who can own those guns, and mostly people who have been trained during military service (mandatory there for men) .. but though half the adult population qualifies, only one third bother to own arms. Violent crime in America is higher than most other "civilized" countries, and our gun regulations less stringent.

It's not a simple fix in other words and saying what coulda woulda shoulda happened and that all these extreme incidents are due to CRIMINALS even more so. This guy may have been on psych drugs too, but he wasn't there to commit a felony but suicide-with-hostages.

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posted May 12, 2014 08:16 PM            

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And no, technically he wasn't breaking the law by carrying - unless he had illegal guns. It is company policy, not law, that keeps Fedex locations gun-free zones. It wouls be interesting to know how many gun incidents have happened on their considerably large "turf"

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posted May 12, 2014 08:21 PM            

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I never said it was a quick fix. And I don't think it's okay to mandate gun ownership. (Btw, the NRA is the biggest gun rights organization in the country and yet they only represent about 5% of gun owners, and even some of them are against mandates.)

But if you want to say having guns present is going to make things worse instead of better then point to gun accidents or spousal murders that are unique to that community (that is divergent from the rest of the state). Not someone shooting up a gun free zone that happens to be inside the area.

One thing I've learned is that guns matter a lot less than most people passionate about the subject think. And interesting enough California has some of the highest gun crime in the country despite that guns are heavily regulated while Texas has some of the highest violent crimes committed without guns in a state where gun ownership (including carrying) is usually encouraged.

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posted May 12, 2014 09:06 PM            

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I.m not particularly invested in guns one way or another. It is perhaps an interesting coincidence that this incident happened very soon after the shooter was given permission to take his guns anywhere in the prescribed district. Having regulations is not the same as confiscating guns, but the NRA - who represent the manyfacturers and businesses around guns more than the owners - make it sound like anyone upset by gun violence and wanting to find a solution is a reincarnation of Hitler or a total wimp.

How does someone arm themselves "like Rambo" without setting off any red flags?

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posted May 12, 2014 11:11 PM            

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Hahahaha

Tombstone Arizona in the1880s is somehow related to America in 2014?

Give me a break!

When law abiding citizens are armed, violent crime goes down...Period!

Leftists are clinically insane. Fact!

"“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
http://tizona.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/famous-psychiatrist-liberals-are-clinically-insane/

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