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Ami Anne
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posted September 19, 2014 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think even many of the low information voters are waking up to see who Obama really is.

The key is voters and they know that. That is one of the reason all the illegals are actively sought by Obama, not just passively allowed.

They need a voting block of indigent people who live off the government.

What a disgrace

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posted September 19, 2014 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know the question was about Iraq but it has expanded so much . Now it`s What does Obama do about Syria :

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posted September 21, 2014 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now it`s What does Obama do about Syria

It is the SAME thing

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posted September 21, 2014 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Prime Minister of Turkey angrily said that there are NO Moderates. Islam is Islam.

He was extremely insulted by the use of the term "Moderate Muslim"

Hence, Obama arming the Moderates is a shell game just as Obama arming the Muslim Brotherhood with MILLIONS of our tax dollars was a shell game.

Before, THEY were the "Moderate" good guys. Now, they are the big bad wolf guys and another group is the "Moderate" good guys.

Obama arming the Moderates in Syria is the same shell game.

The upshot is that Obama builds up Muslim terrorism which ends up on our shore as well as on the shore of the only free democracy in the Middle East, Israel, which so many of you like to hate.

Remember, Israel is the Little Satan and the US is the Big Satan.

What is happening to them, now, is what is planned for us next.


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posted September 21, 2014 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said : “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it”

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posted September 21, 2014 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congress Syria-Rebel Aid Vote Sets Up Fight Over Force :

Congress’s bipartisan passage of President Barack Obama’s plan to arm and train Syrian rebels sets up a broader debate over the use of U.S. military force when lawmakers return after the Nov. 4 election.

Yesterday’s 78-22 Senate vote came a day after the House passed the measure. Obama signed the bill today.

Opponents of the bill in the Senate -- 10 Democrats and 12 Republicans -- included potential 2016 presidential contenders. Democrats Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York voted against the proposal, as did Bernie Sanders of Vermont, an independent who caucuses with Democrats.

On the Republican side, possible presidential aspirants Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky opposed the bill, while Marco Rubio of Florida supported it, though he said he was disappointed there hadn’t been an opportunity for more extensive debate.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-19/congress-syria-rebel-aid-vote-sets-up-fight-over-force.html

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posted September 23, 2014 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The shelling begins. To what end is the question.

I was surprised 5 Arab countries are involved and Britian is not.

I never heard one of the targeted groups, an al Qaeda cell called Korasan.

Media is claiming they are a bigger threat to the U.S. than ISL. Why the secrecy about them until now?

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posted September 23, 2014 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Korasan, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS and a new one tomorrow that is the NEW, big, bad wolf

It is the shell game, Juni. They all think alike! They all want the same goals.

They want to destroy democracy in Israel(first), Europe and the US.

They want to replace it with Sharia Law and they will go about it the same way, such as the beheading we saw of the American journalist, the Boston Marathon bombing, the South African mall killings,911 etc etc etc etc

Juni, you lament that you don't understand it and it doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense from their worldview: perfect, perfect sense, all of it.

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posted September 23, 2014 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
originally posted by IQ, May
2013.
Edited because those were others words not mine to use.

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posted September 23, 2014 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The issue is not Islam. Islam is being used, as have all religions, to persuade the dimwitted.

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posted September 24, 2014 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
The issue is not Islam. Islam is being used, as have all religions, to persuade the dimwitted.


Not all followers follow it this way.

However, this is the PURE form, as WRITTEN, and this is what all the groups such as Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood and the next Big Bad Wolf and the next and the next and the next, follow.

They are the literal followers and not all people are. That is true.

However, trying to make something that which it is NOT is very dangerous in this case.

The stakes are VERY high here. The survival of the Jewish people is an issue here, as is the loss of freedom for ALL FREE PEOPLE :Israel, Europe and the US and beyond. Just look at what has happened to Sweden


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posted September 24, 2014 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone wants to talk to someone who speaks fluent Arabic and understands EVERY part of this, I have a friend who is an Arab Christian, who was born in Syria.

He is a totally brilliant scientist. He speaks 3 languages and he understands ALL about Israel, too!

A few people here are very ignorant about Israel, I have to say lol

You need to be educated!

I think he would be happy to answer all of your questions because some people here seem not to understand the roots of things.

Hence, they cannot understand the current events such as the shell game I referenced.

He can go back to the root better than any of us because he has the original language.

I think you all would enjoy him.


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posted September 24, 2014 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will put this on a very basic level. The fight here is for freedom or oppression. It is EVERY mans fight!

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posted September 24, 2014 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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The Prime Minister of Turkey angrily said that there are NO Moderates. Islam is Islam.

Turkish Prime Minister: " There is no moderate Islam"
infidelsarecool.com/2007/08/turkish-prime-minister-there... Cached

Things are going bad in Turkey and it’s in ... when he said “There is no Moderate Islam ... up to Prime Minister “there is no moderate Islam” Erdogan and ...


Gates of Vienna: “ There Is No Moderate Islam”
gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/09/there-is-no-moderate... Cached


Sep 04, 2007 · “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. ... Bat Ye’or? No, the Prime Minister of Turkey said it, ... makes no sense. If there's no "moderate Islam", ...


It is the spreading of such that gives a voice to those, who for whatever reason, want to divide and try to conquer through fear and unrest.

As long as there are intelligent , knowledgeable and Faithful people, the fearful falsehood of "no moderates" will never gain credence.

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posted September 24, 2014 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As long as there are intelligent , knowledgeable and Faithful people, the fearful falsehood of "no moderates" will never gain credence.

I am not saying there are NO "moderates" because you may be or Cata BUT one has to tell the truth of what is written in the Koran.

The "Extremists" follow it. The "Moderates" do not.


No one can argue with this. It is a pure fact and I can quote the Koran in it's original form to show it, so it is not a point that can be argued.

I can bring my Christian Arab friend to tell you what it says in Arabic, if need be Juni. Would you like that?

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Bottom line is this. Look at what happened to Sweden. They allowed "refugees" with this thinking into their country from the goodness of their hearts.

Now 25% of their women are being raped.

This is a black and white FACT You can check it out. This is not me. This is the facts of what is happening.

Look at France. This is what is planned for all free societies like Israel and the US.

However, one can only educate oneself as it cannot be stopped. It is an immovable spiritual force.

Look around. Don't argue with me. Open your eyes.

Anyone, I am really tired of this topic. I need to take a break. Blessings to you, Friends

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posted September 24, 2014 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This time in history is volatile and dangerous. Everyone has an opinion or belief.


As difficult as it may be, this forum is not for a reading/quoting of the Q`uran, Bible or Torah.

Nor expressing fundamentalist attacks against another religion.

Promoting religious views here is counterproductive to Global Unitys intention and creates a war within..

All religious threads , hijacked ones as well, will be moved to DD by myself or via Randall..


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posted September 24, 2014 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What should Obama Do About Iraq ?


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posted September 24, 2014 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
What should Obama Do About Iraq ?



He is going to do NOTHING

More ISIS' in it's various forms will take over. He will change their names to ABC, EFG, HIJ, KLM but they will be the same.

One has to ask the terrible question of "Is this what he WANTS?"

Take care, Juni!

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posted September 24, 2014 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All religious threads , hijacked ones as well, will be moved to DD by myself or via Randall..

Just do it to EVERYONE Juni, not just ME.

I will be watching to keep you honest

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posted September 24, 2014 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carry on.

What Should Obama Do About Iraq?
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I understand your fears, Ami, and yes, Antisemitism is a nasty fact in the world (certainly not indulged in only by bloodthirsty muslims)

but you will not listen to the many ISRAELIS who also know a lot more about Israel than YOU, apparently, since you deny they exist though there are hundreds of thousands of them. Indeed, Netanyahu is facing defiance within his own party and voting block. How do you explain that?

The people here at LL who sympathize with the plight of Gazans, imprisoned in squalor and rubble and with nowhere to run when the bombs come, are not looking for the destruction of Israel or Jews, but deploring the lack of humanity in the situation. Yes, Israel has a genuine self-defense issue, but she has exacerbated the problem with pre-emptive strikes against neighbours, land grabs during ceasefires, and general lack of observation of the rights of A People. Gaza= the ghettos of the 30s.

I refrained from quoting IQ's very eloquent post because I don't know if he wants it reposted but you may recall the gist of what he said back in may last year.

We need to be very careful not to convince the body of Islam that we are against them all...before they decide they have nowhere else to go but into the arms of the extremists. They are working behind the scenes, for the sake of staying alive so they can keep doing so, so you may not SEE what is going on. I have been privileged to work with Muslims and Arab Christians who have been part of a Resistance for decades now. Branding them all with the same Scarlet Letters will only hurt.

And the kneejerk hatred you have brought here is not conducive to forming alliances. Nor is the "it's all over" frame of mind EVER going to produce anything but failure.

As to Iraq and Syria, already we are bombing, with full enthusiastic support from Congress who, as the clip I posted of McCain shows, wanted only a couple of years ago to ARM ISIS. As usual our policy in the ME is to support anyone who says they are against the main DOGS and later we will find they are just a different breed of DOG. Al Qaeda came out of CIA funding when they wanted allies in the area against the THEN bogeymen. The military industry is granted a PERPETUAL creation of enemies to arm against and the govt will ALWAYS stump up for war even though it is impoverishing every other sector of our lives.

The chopping up of the region after WWI was a large part of the problems today. The western powers, having invaded and pilfered the whole region, then divided it into "countries" that bore no relation to the actual allegiances and lives of the indigenous inhabitants. Much as Jews may have wanted "someplace to go" the creation of Israel was always going to create unrest, especially since about a million "non inhabitants" were displaced in doing so.

So in a way, this IS our fight, since our high=handed treatment of millions through colonizing and then partitioning is at the root. Or maybe you are right, the time has come that the balance of power shifts and we Westerners are no longer top dog in the world. What goes around comes around.

Does anyone think the world as you knew it as a child is going to remain unchanged indefinitely? It never has, why should we expect the Principle of Change to cease for us? Especially if we refuse to evolve in our own ideas and governing methods?

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posted September 24, 2014 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NY Times Bombshell: Obama is Arming Major Terrorist Group Known for Attacking Israel


This says it all, Friends!

http://conservativetribune.com/obama-arming-hezbollah/

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posted September 24, 2014 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cata
I don't speak to educate the "Amen Chorus". Only a true miracle would get people like that to see the truth.

It has happened with people like Walid Shoebat, who have had true miracles, though.

He was a Muslim terrorist who was on his way to bomb a bus of Jewish school children and he couldn't do it.

He completely changed into one of the most amazing people who ever lived on this planet!

Every city he visits, he calls the Messianic Jewish synagogues to come and speak!

You should Google him, Cata!

I speak to educate the people who are watching some of whom want to know the truth.

I think they are few but they are out there! That is my purpose and why I bother coming on here, Cata.

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I know of him. There is a lot of evidence pointing to him being a total fraud...for starters the supposed attacks he took part in apparently never happened.

We all know the situation is fraught with Possible disaster. But panic and mirror-stigmatization do NOT serve peace or coexistence or even winning the Good Fight. They just cause an out-of-the-pan-into-the-fire scenario that Undermines the possibility you wish for.

Try not assuming that everyone here is ignorant just because they resent your JewHater baiting approach. It might just be that YOU have something to learn that is being blocked by your kneejerk victim reactions.

Try examining ALL black-and-white propaganda and seeing that there is a very complex situation that ALL sides need to understand if we are to come out of this with anything but a nuclear wasteland in the ME, including Israel.

Try not demonizing everyone who has a different angle on it. Just for starters!

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