posted July 31, 2014 03:31 PM            

Get back to me when the NRA instructs those youths to shoot the usual suspect, O'Bomber Kool-Aid drinking leftists.

On the other hand, the terrorists running United Nations schools are training their children to kill Israelis.

posted July 31, 2014 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
[B]Judaism and Israel are not one and the same. Please consider the Orthodox Jew position on Israel. MANY Jews opposed the formation of Israel for both political and religious reasons and many still do.

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The voice of reason.

To be called a Jew hater because one does not agree with the politics of Israel is unfathomable.

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If you're interested in Judaism, knock on the door of an Orthodox Jew. This, not Zionism, is a genuine modern Judaism. These people truly understand and practice their religion. They understand that Judaism is a religion, a most ancient and holy religion, but it is not an excuse for nationalism.
"We didn't have an army, we didn't have a state, and we survived. And our Talmud tells us the secret ..."

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Amen. I have nothing but the deepest respect and love for the Holy Religion of Judiasm. NOT nationalism or Bibi who hides behind this Holy Faith.

Does that make me a died in the wool Jew hater?

posted July 31, 2014 10:35 PM            

Could you really be this dense? Is it possible for anyone to be this dense?

Perhaps you missed the operative words...ISLAMIC TERRORISTS..AS IN...HAMAS, ISLAMIC JIHAD ETC.

Yeah, some Jews opposed the founding of Israel and some Jews oppose Jews in Israel defending themselves against terrorist attacks.

But, the vast majority of Jews in Israel approve Bibi going after Hamas terrorist rockets and terrorist murder/kidnap tunnels.

Don't even attempt to sell the idea the leftist droolers don't hate the Jews. They do. Further, the leftist droolers have thrown their total support to the Hamas terrorists.

If the leftist droolers want Israel to stop blowing up Hamas terrorist rocket launch sites, it's simple. Convince the terrorists of Hamas and Islamic Jihad to stop firing rockets into Israel.

posted July 31, 2014 10:47 PM            

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Want To Ask Any Question About Bible Prophecy? Go For it. It is Free, of course.

posted August 01, 2014 07:49 AM            

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Don't even attempt to sell the idea the leftist droolers don't hate the Jews. They do.

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How the heck would I know what leftist droolers want or do ??

We are talking apples and oranges here.

Hamas is a thug or terrorist org. and everyone knows it.

No where do I defend them or their activities.

I can and am seperating the Faith of Judiasm from nationalism and politics. That was my point.

posted August 01, 2014 09:42 AM            

Terror Tunnels: Hamas Detonates Suicide Bomb, Kidnaps IDF Soldier Just 90 Mins Into Ceasefire
Andrew Marcus
August 1, 2014

Just 90 minutes into the “humanitarian” “ceasefire” Hamas emerged from a terror tunnel, detonated a suicide bomb and took one Jew hostage back through the tunnel.

IDF soldier feared kidnapped

Terrorists emerged from a tunnel shaft, and a suicide bomber detonated near soldiers prior to the suspected kidnapping; the IDF says incident is ongoing and that it is in the midst of efforts to track down missing soldier.

Some of the terror tunnels are almost 2 miles long and cost upwards of $1 Million each to construct. Some of that construction money comes from American tax payers. Some of those tunnels were built with entrances INSIDE United Nations buildings, ostensibly with tacit UN approval.

posted August 01, 2014 12:47 PM            

And of course both sides say the other broke it first. The fact continues to be that violence is not going to solve this

The question is not whether people have the right to "defend" themselves but how to end the conflict. Personally I wonder why anyone ever thought moving into someone elses land and aggressively shoving them aside was NOT going to turn out this way.
Supposing hamas is ever totally routed there are millions more like them who will follow behind.

Meanwhile the US and others are funding and arming both sides. What is wrong with this picture? What hope is there of Israel ever being a safe place to live?

I am not going to argue about what "leftist droolers" want or think. Its nothing to do with me . I worry as much that Israel will be destroyed by its own dehumanization as by enemy fire.

War is the preferred and profitable method of culling by the PTB and Israel is its decoy state of the moment and ongoing.. But the ghettoization of gaza complete with deprivation and wholesale destruction by superior weaponry is not going to end...

The question is not who is right but how to stop the slaughter. And claiming that God will protect Israel because she is righteous is not acceptable. Hamas believe the same of their God.

posted August 01, 2014 04:07 PM            

BS, even your little Marxist Messiah admits Hamas broke the ceasefire...by sending terrorists, including a suicide bomber down a tunnel and having the suicide bomber detonate his explosives which killed 2 Israeli soldiers. Another soldier was kidnapped by the terrorist team.

posted August 01, 2014 04:26 PM            

I am not making equivalence of any kind but stating a fact. Both sides claim to be righteous and self-defending. Round and round it goes and your righteous proclamations of black and white guilt and innocence only add to the problem.

posted August 01, 2014 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Its been his forum for years Leorpio. I gave up long ago having a rational discussion though I keep suggesting it. Still other points of view exist and need to be presented. Seems I was giving you the same advice not long ago...then habit got me posting again. As my OP shows here, I anticipated the response...even Jews in Israel are called Haters and anti-Semites when they speak out, as is anyone in this country who begs to differ. Same old same old.

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Serious question: does this jwhop person ever post anything astrology related? Does he have a life? What is he trying to prove, gunning for troll of the year or something?

I really think it is a disservice that a forum like this is given primarily biased information. We really should have a forum that is balanced and allows for good discussion no matter what party you identify with. I love politics, but I have yet to see the 'we celebrate our cultural, national, and spiritual diversity as we each unite in Love and Light' in this forum.

posted August 01, 2014 07:20 PM            

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BS, even your little Marxist Messiah admits Hamas broke the ceasefire...

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This surprises you? Obama is a Zionist lackey. Have you not watched Kerry sniveling and stumbling over himself trying to pacify the Knesset while they biitch and complain the US isn't following orders fast enough. Maybe another multibillion check would help?
http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/israelaid021412Obama Requests Largest Amount of Military Aid to Israel Ever
NJDC — February 14, 2012 – 1:11 pm | Barack Obama | Budget | Foreign Policy | Israel Comments (2) Add a comment

Underscoring his commitment to the U.S.-Israel relationship, President Barack Obama requested a record $3.1 billion in military assistance to Israel for the 2013 fiscal year. The requested amount is not just the largest assistance request for Israel ever, it is the largest foreign assistance request ever in U.S. history.

According to page 172 of the State Department’s report on the FY 2013 budget, foreign military financing to Israel has increased steadily under Obama:

* In 2011, Israel received $2.994 billion;

* In 2012, Israel is estimated to have received $3.075 billion; and

* In 2013, Obama requested for Israel to receive $3.1 billion—almost half of the entire global request for foreign military financing.

This is consistent with the ten-year Memorandum of Understanding between the United States and Israel.

The increase in funding will help the Jewish state maintain its qualitative military edge and keep its citizens secure as the Middle East continues to undergo rapid change.

posted August 01, 2014 07:48 PM            

During a massive bombardment this week, Israel hit Gaza's only power plant, effectively shutting it down for good.

posted August 01, 2014 07:49 PM            

At 16:30, the hospital received a call from an unlisted number, stating a building needed to be evacuated immediately.

The building is being used for overflow patients, and is directly across the road from the main hospital building. It is part of the hospital site, but building work has yet to be completed.

The hospital is now in the process of evacuating all staff and patients inside.

“I’d like to say that Israel’s threats to bomb Gaza’s largest hospital have reached a new low, but in light of its relentless atrocities and civilian massacres over the last 25 days, it’s hardly unexpected,” stated Joe Catron, U.S. International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activist now in al-Shifa hospital.

Since July 25th, international volunteers from countries including Spain, Sweden, the United States, the United Kingdom, France, New Zealand, Australia, and Venezuela have begun a constant protective presence in various locations at the al-Shifa Hospital.

posted August 01, 2014 07:52 PM            

The news is really, for me, particularly heartbreaking. It's about Gaza, Israel's assault on Gaza. And today I want to talk about Israel, but particularly its criminality--its war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity, and apartheid. Of course, it's a criminality that could not be carried out by Israel without the weapons and support of the United States. As I said, we're living through what I consider to be a heartbreaking and criminal Israeli assault on Gaza. There's 1.8 million people locked in an outdoor prison, deprived for years of the necessities of life, and now murdered and maimed by bombs and a military assault from Israel.

Gaza's not giving up in the face of the assault, despite the incredible damage. And now they're being joined by Palestinians in the occupied territories of the West Bank. In addition, there are masses of people throughout the world engaging in militant protests. And we're seeing a change, but, of course, at a very high cost to the Palestinians.

The numbers killed are remarkable and numbing, and who they are that are being killed. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, which the Center for Constitutional Rights works closely with, it's headed by a man, Palestinian, named Raji Sourani. They put out daily reports. As we speak today, on 26 July, there's been 808 people killed in Gaza. Astonishing: 666 of those are civilians, 81.5 percent; 194 our children, 24 percent; over 4,000 wounded, mostly civilians. What we're seeing by Israel is the targeting of houses, schools, hospitals, and even a UN shelter housing refugees.

posted August 02, 2014 08:23 AM            

I am happy to report, I can say I don`t like Obama or his policies without becomming an American or Christian hater.

Is it funny or sad how that works?

posted August 02, 2014 08:55 AM            

The sole responsibility for dead Palestinians is Gaza rests on the shoulders of Hamas. Hamas which started this latest round of hostilities. Hamas which deliberately and intentionally places it's own people in danger by firing rockets into Israel from schools, hospitals, shelters, parks, apartment buildings and other firing locations they know are packed with Palestinians.

Hamas is an offshoot of the extremist Muslim Brotherhood which was so radical the people of Egypt revolted against Muslim Brotherhood rule of the country. Now, Hamas is trying to get it's own people killed for political propaganda.

Oh, and don't look now Hamas terrorist supporters but even most Arab nations want to see Hamas defeated by Israel...especially Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia etc.

Odd isn't it that we can't get our Hamas terrorist supporters to even condemn the deliberate violation of the 72 hour ceasefire, the suicide bombing deaths of 2 Israeli soldiers and the kidnap of another....all this during a 72 hour ceasefire agreed to by HAMAS.

Tell me Hamas terrorist supporters, just what could Hamas do that you would condemn? Make me a list of...Hamas, don't do this!

Aug 2, 5:10 AM EDT
Netanyahu to US: Don't second guess me on Hamas
MATTHEW LEE
AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Following the quick collapse of the cease-fire in Gaza, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the White House not to force a truce with Palestinian militants on Israel.

Sources familiar with conversations between Netanyahu and senior U.S. officials, including Secretary of State John Kerry, say Israeli leader advised the Obama administration "not to ever second guess me again"the matter. The officials also said Netanyahu said he should be "trusted" on the issue and about the unwillingness of Hamas to enter into and follow through on cease-fire talks.

Obama administration on Friday condemned "outrageous" violations of an internationally brokered Gaza cease-fire by Palestinian militants and called the apparent abduction of an Israeli soldier a "barbaric" action

The strong reaction came as top Israeli officials questioned the effort to forge the truce, accusing the U.S. and the United Nations of being naive in assuming the radical Hamas movement would adhere with its terms. The officials also blamed the Gulf state of Qatar for not forcing the militants to comply.

With the cease-fire in tatters fewer than two hours after it took effect with an attack that killed two Israeli troops and left a third missing, President Barack Obama demanded that those responsible release the soldier.

Obama and other U.S. officials did not directly blame Hamas for the abduction. But they made clear they hold Hamas responsible for, or having influence over, the actions of all factions in the Gaza Strip. The language was a distinct change from Thursday when Washington was focused on the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

"If they are serious about trying to resolve this situation, that soldier needs to be unconditionally released as soon as possible," Obama told reporters. He added that it would be difficult to revive the cease-fire without the captive's release.

"It's going to be very hard to put a cease-fire back together again if Israelis and the international community can't feel confident that Hamas can follow through on a cease-fire commitment," he said. His comment reflected uncertainty in the U.S. and elsewhere that Hamas was actually responsible for the incident or if some other militant group was to blame.

At the same time, Obama called the situation in Gaza "heartbreaking" and repeated calls for Israel to do more to prevent Palestinian civilian casualties.

despite the collapse of the truce, Obama credited Kerry for his work with the United Nations to forge one. He lamented criticism and "nitpicking" of Kerry's attempts said the effort would continue.

Kerry negotiated the truce with U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon in a marathon session of phone calls over several days while he was in India on an official visit. Kerry had spent much of the past two weeks in Egypt, Israel, the West Bank and France trying to mediate a cease-fire with Qatar and Turkey playing a major role because of their close ties with Hamas.

Those efforts failed with Israel saying it could not trust Hamas and some Israelis and American pro-Israel groups complaining that the U.S. was treating the group - a foreign terrorist organization as designated by the State Department - as a friend.

Late Thursday, however, Israel accepted Kerry and Ban's latest proposal, despite its reservations. Once the truce was violated, though, Israeli officials hit out at not only Hamas, but the United States and Qatar for its failure.

An Israeli official said the Netanyahu government viewed both Hamas and Qatar as having violated the commitment given to the U.S. and the U.N. and that it expected the international community to take practical steps as part of a "strong and swift response," especially regarding the return of the abducted soldier.

In a phone call with U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro, Netanyahu vented his anger, according to people familiar with the call.

Netanyahu told Shapiro the Obama administration was "not to ever second-guess me again" and that Washington should trust his judgment on how to deal with Hamas, according to the people. Netanyahu added that he now "expected" the U.S. and other countries to fully support Israel's offensive in Gaza, according to those familiar with the call. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter by name.

posted August 02, 2014 10:13 AM            

There are war criminals operating in this latest round of fighting. Problem is...for leftist supporters of the terrorists of Hamas; it's Hamas who are the war criminals.

Perhaps the supporters of the terrorists of Hamas don't understand that each and every rocket fired by Hamas at Israeli civilian population centers IS A SEPERATE AND DISTINCT WAR CRIME UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS.

And yet, we hear psycho-babble about Israeli war crimes. Bullshiiiit

IT IS A WAR CRIME TO USE CIVILIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS AS HAMAS IS DOING...AND HAS BEEN DOING.

An armed force may not attack civilians, nor use them as a "human shield" to render a location protected from attack. http://people.howstuffworks.com/rules-of-war4.htm

posted August 02, 2014 12:17 PM            

Netanyahu has assumed the mantle of unchallengeable power . Apparently his own people see that his pronouncement of Hamas guilt was jumping the gun/transparent pretext for flattening palestine.