posted August 02, 2014 12:41 PM            

Hang in there Jew hating Hamas terrorist lovers.

Everyone knows Hamas firing 2000 or more unguided rockets at Israeli civilian population centers is...just propaganda.

Everyone knows Hamas firing rockets at Israeli population centers from schools, apartment building, hospitals etc is...just propaganda.

Everyone knows Hamas using Palestinians as human shields to prevent Israeli forces from firing back at them is...just propaganda.

Everyone knows Hamas building terror tunnels into Israel from UN installations and elsewhere with which to kill or capture Israeli citizens is...just propaganda.

Everyone knows Hamas storing rockets, arms and ammo in UN run schools is...just propaganda.

Everyone knows firing unguided rockets at civilian population centers is....not a war crime.

Everyone knows using civilians as human shields is...not a war crime.

posted August 02, 2014 12:46 PM            

You flatter yourself that you are in a position to "grade" me? Knock yourself out. Netanyahu lied and his people know it.

Israeli rags are claiming the Palestinians realize their god will not let the rockets hurt israelis...that is why israeli casualties are so low and palestinian ones so high. Nothing to do with overweening force against a caged and starved civilian population.

Why dont you go sign up jwhop? Last chance to see some real action!

posted August 02, 2014 01:37 PM            

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Netanyahu told Shapiro the Obama administration was "not to ever second-guess me again" and that Washington should trust his judgment on how to deal with Hamas, according to the people. Netanyahu added that he now "expected" the U.S. and other countries to fully support Israel's offensive in Gaza, according to those familiar with the call. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter by name.

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This is astounding.
I read it twice to make certain Netanyahu spoke these dumbfounding words.

Expects the U.S to blindly "trust" and support him.

So the gauntlet is thrown down for Obama.

Wholly crap, wouldn`t you like to be the fly on Obama`s wall

posted August 02, 2014 03:32 PM            

Now the iron dome for the press...

Lets see...a ruler who demands absolute autonomy paid for by other people...only the news that doesnt look bad to be allowed...religious superiority being touted by the local press.

posted August 02, 2014 04:33 PM            

To be fair Hamas are not innocent either. I have never said they are.

It is the heavyhanded slaughter that is at issue.

posted August 03, 2014 01:13 PM            

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posted August 03, 2014 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Jwhop, you've now proven yourself either hopelessly uninformed regarding all Israeli, US, and Palestinian joint history or you're trolling. I'm undecided. Aside from these two possibilities, no one but a willfully ignorant religious fanatic would speak the way you do.

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posted August 03, 2014 02:11 PM            

Let me suggest it's not me.

The Jew hating Hamas terrorist lovers are down with Hamas blowing up busses with Israeli school children aboard and down with Hamas suicide bombers blowing up diners at restaurants in Israel, down with Hamas terrorists firing 2000+ unguided rockets at Israeli civilian cities, down with Hamas terrorists building tunnels into Israel from which to kill Israeli civilians...or kidnap them, down with Hamas terrorists using Palestinian civilians as human shields from which to fire rockets at Israeli civilians, down with Hamas terrorists storing rockets, guns and ammo at UN run schools, down with Hamas terrorists building murder and kidnap tunnels from UN facilities into Israel, and down with Hamas terrorists using Red Crescent ambulances to ferry Hamas terrorists around Gaza. Down indeed with anything and everything the terrorists of Hamas do...including committing war crimes every single day.

August 3, 2014
Three Ninnies and a Jackass: This Week in Gaza
Clarice Feldman

This week we learned that former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, the elected choice of the wealthy denizens of San Francisco, believes that Hamas is a humanitarian organization. Qatar, Hamas’ principle supporter, told her so.

From former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton we learned that the reason Hamas’ weapons are found stored in civilian sites -- schools, mosques, hospitals, and UNWRA buildings -- is because the area is so small there’s nowhere else to hide them.

And from the UN’s High Commissioner for Human Rights, the viciously anti-Israeli Navi Pillay, we learned that the Israel may have committed war crimes because it refused to share its Iron Dome technology with Hamas.

Where would we be without smart leaders like these three ninnies to guide us through the tortuous, rocky shoals of a contentious world?

But the king of meddlesome, dimwitted fops is the biggest jackass of all: America’s present Secretary of State, former Massachusetts Senator and Democrat Presidential nominee John F. Kerry. He singlehandedly is responsible for more mayhem in Israel and disrespect for the U.S. abroad than even these three lightweights.

Repeatedly during the course of this conflict he has taken steps to strengthen Hamas and keep the fight going while claiming to be a peacemaker. This week, he “negotiated” a seventy-two-hour ceasefire, which was broken ninety minutes after it was announced when Hamas, using a civilian shield and a surprise assault, killed two IDF soldiers and kidnapped a third.

Algemeiner sets the record straight in a way our major media seems unable to:

The Israeli government believed the word of the Secretary of State of the United States that, via his Turkish and Qatari friends, he had obtained acceptable terms for a ceasefire with Hamas. Mr. Kerry’s flunkies even bragged about the success of his Turko-Qatari connections, chiding those who looked askance at his bromance with friends and sponsors of Hamas.

What happened next -- a surprise attack on Israeli troops in the southern Gaza Strip an hour and a half into the “ceasefire”, an abduction of a soldier -- shows that Kerry’s word -- America’s word! -- counts for absolutely nothing. Neither Turkey nor Qatar (and of course not Hamas) intended to keep their promises to the Secretary of State, their dearest friend. They counted on the ceasefire to give Hamas the advantage of surprise to score some “strategic” gains, in which the terrorists have probably and tragically succeeded. Neither Qatar nor Turkey are afraid of possible American retaliation for such a flagrant breach of trust. ***Nor should they be afraid of the testosterone challenged Marxist Messiah and his foppish Sec State Kerry***

Not surprisingly, the Israeli response was one of outrage and fury.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Secretary of State John F. Kerry in a telephone call Friday afternoon that the cease-fire was broken by Hamas and that the Islamist group and other Palestinian militant factions “will bear the consequences of their actions,” according to Netanyahu’s office.

“The cease-fire is over,” said Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, a senior spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces. Ground operations will continue, he said, “and our aircraft are in the sky as we speak.”

Let this sink in -- the Egyptians have done more to secure Israel’s borders from harm than the U.S. Secretary of State who either was gullible in taking the word of Turkish and Qatari representatives -- or a liar about their guaranties in order to come off as an heroic peacemaker.

This time even the White House, which till now seemed more interested in protecting the terrorist Hamas outfit and its survival, condemned the attack as a barbaric violation of the humanitarian ceasefire. Perhaps overwhelming voter support for Israel over Hamas played a part in the issuance of this strong statement. In any event, it must be noted, EGYPT has done more to protect Israel than the U.S has during the Gazan hostilities.

Even before Hamas broke the ceasefire, advancing any Qatari-Turkish proposal was a stupid move by Kerry.

As Charles Krauthammer explains:

Kerry did not just trample an Egyptian initiative. It was backed by the entire Arab League and specifically praised by Saudi Arabia. With the exception of Qatar -- more a bank than a country -- the Arabs are unanimous in wanting to see Hamas weakened, if not overthrown. The cease-fire-in-place they backed would have denied Hamas any reward for starting this war, while what Kerry brought back from Paris granted practically all of its demands.

Which is what provoked the severe criticism Kerry received at home, including from (among others) the scrupulously independent columnist David Ignatius, who called Kerry’s intervention a blunder.

Kerry seems oblivious to the strategic reality that Hamas launched its rockets in the hope not of defeating Israel but ending its intra-Arab isolation (which it brilliantly achieves in the Qatar-Turkey peace proposal). Hamas’ radicalism has alienated nearly all of its Arab neighbors.

OmriCeren of the Israel Project has uncovered more of the backstory, a backstory so shameful that Kerry should resign or be removed before he can do even more damage to our national reputation.

Drawing our attention to a conference call with Israeli reserve Colonel Lior Lotan, he noted:

A journalist asked Loton whether some group other than Hamas might have been responsible for the attack. The short answer is no, for reasons that have to do with how Gaza is controlled. But he also pointed out a very suspicious pattern of Hamas diplomatic behavior:

It's really inconsiderable, due to the fact that the region is so crowded with Hamas elements, fighters, and warriors -- that [are] engaging into contact with our IDF troops every day, every hour. And also some indicator might be that Hamas neglect[ed] to send their negotiators to Cairo this morning. It was supposed to be a negotiation session over the condition of the ceasefire, arranged by the UN, and the USA, and of course the Egyptian authorities. [b]And the Hamas did not even send their negotiators. So one can assess that they might know, in advance, that this ceasefire will not hold, due to an event that's going to happen. It happened at 9:30 am, while the ceasefire started at 8 o'clock in the morning, local time of course. One can also assess that since Hamas authorities, Hamas leadership, is sending their negotiators, and did not send them, they are part of this plan. Anyway, tactical wise, it's just infeasible that any other power -- unless Hamas will conduct such a planned operation in the region that Hamas is so rooted -- it might be some soldier, or some element from other organizations working as a proxy under the umbrella of the Hamas, no doubt planned by the Hamas.

The attack and kidnapping made use of a civilian human shield who came in under the cover of the ceasefire.

There are all indicators that the event is genuine, and really happened. Analysis of what we know about the event demonstrates it was well-planned. It was involved with, let's say, first of all, a decoy. A civilian starts to approach their home on their street and by that came to some kind of a contact with the IDF troops, under the umbrella of the ceasefire. Under this decoy, elements of the Hamas came out from the tunnel, start shooting, then launche[ed] a suicide attack that of course attract[ed] a lot of attention. And during this event, when some soldiers were wounded and the chaos -- the few seconds of chaos -- a different element, and what we think, kidnapped one of the junior officers in the field.

Israel’s noted peacenik Amos Oz has seen the light: One has no choice but to respond with force to neighbors who shoot at your children while holding their own children in their lap or who dig tunnels to kill your kids from a nursery school on their side of the border.

Finnish and Italian reporters have openly conceded that Hamas is using human shields to cover their aggression, though our own media, notably the New York Times, still prints only those pictures that Hamas wants it to, and that excludes shots of Hamas’ aggression and the significant casualties to their own people caused by Hamas’ tactics and mishaps. The United Nations' UNWRA looks even worse, for it is inconceivable that it was unaware of the fact that Hamas was using its facilities to hide weapons and to engage in aggressive warfare from them. They abetted real war crimes, not the lunatic fancied ones of Navi Pillay.

posted August 03, 2014 04:09 PM            

Both sides have dug in and if there is an incentive to stand down, I can`t see it.

Beyond Israel lifting the embargo and Hamas giving up the tunnels, what do you think would encourage a stand down and hopefully, a treaty?

posted August 03, 2014 05:20 PM            

Moshe Feiglin, the deputy speaker of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, has published a plan for the total destruction of the Palestinian people in Gaza.

His detailed plan, which calls for the use of concentration camps, amounts to direct and public incitement to genocide – a punishable crime under the Genocide Convention.

In a 1 August posting on his Facebook page, Feiglin, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, calls for the “conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.”

“This is our country – our country exclusively,” he writes, “including Gaza.”

posted August 03, 2014 05:28 PM            

Op-Ed: My Outline for a Solution in Gaza

Clear and concise, the steps towards achieving quiet in Gaza.Ultimatum – One warning from the Prime Minister of Israel to the enemy population, in which he announces that Israel is about to attack military targets in their area and urges those who are not involved and do not wish to be harmed to leave immediately. Sinai is not far from Gaza and they can leave. This will be the limit of Israel’s humanitarian efforts. Hamas may unconditionally surrender and prevent the attack.

Attack – Attack the entire ‘target bank’ throughout Gaza with the IDF’s maximum force (and not a tiny fraction of it) with all the conventional means at its disposal. All the military and infrastructural targets will be attacked with no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’. It is enough that we are hitting exact targets and that we gave them advance warning.

Siege – Parallel to the above, a total siege on Gaza. Nothing will enter the area. Israel, however, will allow exit from Gaza. (Civilians may go to Sinai, fighters may surrender to IDF forces).

Defense – Any place from which Israel or Israel’s forces were attacked will be immediately attacked with full force and no consideration for ‘human shields’ or ‘environmental damage’.

Conquer – After the IDF completes the "softening" of the targets with its fire-power, the IDF will conquer the entire Gaza, using all the means necessary to minimize any harm to our soldiers, with no other considerations.

Elimination- The GSS and IDF will thoroughly eliminate all armed enemies from Gaza. The enemy population that is innocent of wrong-doing and separated itself from the armed terrorists will be treated in accordance with international law and will be allowed to leave. Israel will generously aid those who wish to leave.

posted August 03, 2014 11:38 PM            

Who elected Hamas as their government?

Who supports the Hamas charter to drive all the Jews into the sea and kill them all?

Well damn, it's those poor...so called Palestinians who does both those things.

Memo to the Jew hating Hamas terrorist lovers:

The people of Israel are not going to roll over and play dead for Hamas or any other of the Jew haters in the Middle East, Europe or the United States.

When they said "never again" they meant it.

It's not Israel who has started these conflicts. It's Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups in Gaza and the West Bank. Before that, it was the murderous terrorist Yasser Arafat and the PLO.

Peace, according to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Jew haters in the Middle East, Europe and the United States, will be achieved when the Nation of Israel ceases to exist and all the Jews are dead.

Since the so called Palestinians elected these murderous terrorists to be their government, they deserve what they're getting for holding still for the terrorist attacks on Israel by their elected government.

One other thing.

In all the Middle East, Arabs are the most free of all the Arabs in the Middle East IN THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

No one here has suggested any action by Hamas, Islamic Jihad or other terrorist groups in Gaza and the West Band which they would condemn as over the line. Yet, they protest when their in your face hatred of Jews is brought up.

posted August 04, 2014 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Let's see now.

Who elected Hamas as their government?

Who supports the Hamas charter to drive all the Jews into the sea and kill them all?

Well damn, it's those poor...so called Palestinians who does both those things.

Memo to the Jew hating Hamas terrorist lovers:

The people of Israel are not going to roll over and play dead for Hamas or any other of the Jew haters in the Middle East, Europe or the United States.

When they said "never again" they meant it.

It's not Israel who has started these conflicts. It's Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups in Gaza and the West Bank. Before that, it was the murderous terrorist Yasser Arafat and the PLO.

Peace, according to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Jew haters in the Middle East, Europe and the United States, will be achieved when the Nation of Israel ceases to exist and all the Jews are dead.

Since the so called Palestinians elected these murderous terrorists to be their government, they deserve what they're getting for holding still for the terrorist attacks on Israel by their elected government.

One other thing.

In all the Middle East, Arabs are the most free of all the Arabs in the Middle East [b]IN THE NATION OF ISRAEL.

No one here has suggested any action by Hamas, Islamic Jihad or other terrorist groups in Gaza and the West Band which they would condemn as over the line. Yet, they protest when their in your face hatred of Jews is brought up.

You're not fooling anyone.[/B]

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posted August 05, 2014 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
The ultimate weakness of violence is it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Martin Luther King Jr

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I love that quote.

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The ultimate weakness of violence is it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.

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