posted August 05, 2014 08:52 PM            

Salutes where ever you gals are.

posted August 05, 2014 09:11 PM            

Yesterday, I reported that Hamas fighters had captured 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin in a Gaza ambush. I also reported that Hamas said it had lost contact with the team that captured Goldin and that the team and Goldin were presumed dead. My Israeli source revealed that the IDF survivors of the ambush had shot both Goldin and the Palestinian who tried to drag his wounded body away. The Hannibal Directive had been invoked, meaning the army used every means at its disposal, including murder, to prevent the taking of its soldiers.
Today, Walla confirmed via the IDF that Goldin is dead. At first the army only admitted it knew this based on “DNA evidence.” But I believed it had his body. This was confirmed by this subsequent Ynet report that it did have his body and that his funeral would be tomorrow. It is critical that there be an autopsy to determine the cause of his death. But I don’t believe the IDF will allow it because it knows what it will find.

In the hours following his capture, the IDF bombarded Rafah with heavy artillery and from the air in order to both take vengeance for the ambush which killed two senior officers; and to kill Goldin. Over 60 Gazans died. Though the IDF conceded Godin is dead. But it did not concede that it killed him and did so deliberately. That is why the army censor warned the Times about its reporting. Here is how the Times public editor reported it today:

posted August 06, 2014 09:07 AM            

Facts:

Hamas violated a 72 hour ceasefire by sending a terrorist murder/kidnap team into Israel...during the ceasefire.

Hamas admits they were in contact with their terrorist murder/kidnap team...then lost contact and assumed them dead.

Let's take stock of what actually happened.

This terrorist murder/kidnap team appeared from a terrorist tunnel, confronted an IDF squad and one of the terrorist detonated a suicide bomb killing 2 IDF soldiers...during a Hamas agreed to ceasefire.

Now, this brain dead twit writer asserts an IDF soldier...Godin was murdered by the IDF to prevent his kidnapping....upon no proof whatsoever!

This is what should happen...beginning today. Since Hamas terrorists want to kidnap Israeli citizens...including IDF soldiers to trade for terrorist murders being held by Israel; and since Hamas has already shown they sometimes kill those kidnap victims...

The IDF should convene a military commission to try the murderous terrorist they're holding. If proof of murder of Israeli civilians is proved against them, they should be sentenced to death.

For each Israeli civilian killed by Hamas terrorist attacks and/or each Israeli kidnapped by Hamas terrorists, a convicted Hamas, Islamic Jihad or other Islamic terrorist held by Israel should be executed and his bullet riddled body thrown over the fence into Gaza. No exceptions.

Under no circumstances should Israel ever trade terrorists being held in Israel for Israelis kidnapped by the terrorists.

Not long ago, Israel traded 1000 terrorists for (1) kidnapped Israeli.

What a great way to train Islamic terrorists to kidnap Israelis.

posted August 06, 2014 09:43 AM            

This is one of the many positive things to come out of Operation Protective Edge. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has found a Hamas combat manual explaining the importance of using human shields. Below is an excerpt from the IDF report:

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed:

The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

I’m ashamed that the IDF felt the need to report it because it should be patently obvious to everyone by now. An imbecile should know it, especially since we have video footage of Hamas firing rockets from hospitals, mosques, and schools, and we know that they stored weapons in U.N. schools.

Physical evidence is not enough for a large number of people who are either brain-dead morons or anti-Semites to the core. I’m afraid that masses of people live by this principle: I’ve made up my mind and facts don’t matter. I just wish they understood that they are complicit in Hamas’ actions since their support is an important reason why Hamas uses human shields. If the public reacted negatively, they would stop it.

posted August 06, 2014 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
What unmitigated garbage.

Facts:

Hamas violated a 72 hour ceasefire by sending a terrorist murder/kidnap team into Israel...during the ceasefire.

Hamas admits they were in contact with their terrorist murder/kidnap team...then lost contact and assumed them dead.

Let's take stock of what actually happened.

This terrorist murder/kidnap team appeared from a terrorist tunnel, confronted an IDF squad and one of the terrorist detonated a suicide bomb killing 2 IDF soldiers...during a Hamas agreed to ceasefire.

Now, this brain dead twit writer asserts an IDF soldier...Godin was murdered by the IDF to prevent his kidnapping....upon no proof whatsoever!

This is what should happen...beginning today. Since Hamas terrorists want to kidnap Israeli citizens...including IDF soldiers to trade for terrorist murders being held by Israel; and since Hamas has already shown they sometimes kill those kidnap victims...

The IDF should convene a military commission to try the murderous terrorist they're holding. If proof of murder of Israeli civilians is proved against them, they should be sentenced to death.

For each Israeli civilian killed by Hamas terrorist attacks and/or each Israeli kidnapped by Hamas terrorists, a convicted Hamas, Islamic Jihad or other Islamic terrorist held by Israel should be executed and his bullet riddled body thrown over the fence into Gaza. No exceptions.

Under no circumstances should Israel ever trade terrorists being held in Israel for Israelis kidnapped by the terrorists.

Not long ago, Israel traded 1000 terrorists for (1) kidnapped Israeli.

What a great way to train Islamic terrorists to kidnap Israelis.

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posted August 06, 2014 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"They are both wrong. To say otherwise is to perpetuate the situation and perpetrate WWIII.
Genocide is never justifiable."

Excuse me but you're not going to get away with decreeing a moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel.

Neither are you going to get away with calling Israeli defense against terrorist missile attacks...genocide.

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posted August 06, 2014 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
[b]August 6, 2014
Hamas Combat Manual Explains Benefits of Using Human Shields
Neil Snyder

This is one of the many positive things to come out of Operation Protective Edge. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has found a Hamas combat manual explaining the importance of using human shields. Below is an excerpt from the IDF report:

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed:

The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

I’m ashamed that the IDF felt the need to report it because it should be patently obvious to everyone by now. An imbecile should know it, especially since we have video footage of Hamas firing rockets from hospitals, mosques, and schools, and we know that they stored weapons in U.N. schools.

Physical evidence is not enough for a large number of people who are either brain-dead morons or anti-Semites to the core. I’m afraid that masses of people live by this principle: I’ve made up my mind and facts don’t matter. I just wish they understood that they are complicit in Hamas’ actions since their support is an important reason why Hamas uses human shields. If the public reacted negatively, they would stop it.

So rest easy tonight Hamas supporters, if you can. If I were complicit in murder it would trouble me greatly.
http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/hamas_combat_manual_explains_ benefits_of_using_human_shields.html [/B]

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posted August 06, 2014 11:23 AM            

Eran Afrati "An Israeli soldier has published accounts of Israeli soldiers being authorized by their commanders to carry out revenge attacks against civilians in the Gaza Strip “to enable the soldiers to take out their frustrations and pain at losing their fellow soldiers” http://www.imemc.org/article/68658

He has since been arrested http://globalvoic esonline.org/2014/08/03/israeli-army-whistle-blower-leaks-account-of-revenge-attacks-against-civilians-by-israeli-troops-in-gazas-shujaiyya/

Anat Kamm, a journalist imprisoned for revealing severe IDF abuses including assassinations in violation of Israeli Supreme Court rulings.

"Anat Kamm, the journalist who leaked over a thousands pages of classified IDF documents to Haaretz journalist Uri Blau was sentenced on Sunday by the Tel Aviv District Court to four and a half years in prison. The documents, which Kamm copied while serving as a conscript clerk in the office of then-GOC Central Command Yair Naveh, contained a trove of information, including internal correspondence giving rise to suspicions of war crimes and direct violations of Supreme Court orders committed by senior IDF command. Kamm, who worked as a reporter for new portal Walla from her discharge and until her arrest, was already convicted through a plea bargain last year, with the prosecution agreeing not to ask for more than 9 years in prison for the journalist. A source close to Kamm’s defence team told +972 they are hopeful their client will not be handed a sentence longer than three years imprisonment; I must say I myself expected closer to seven years inside.

As can be seen from the exhaustive timeline compiled by my colleague Noa Yachot, there is a direct line running from the occupation, to executions without trial of suspects who could be detained, to a wider and deeper contempt for the rule of law and the Supreme Court, to the gagging of the press and to persecution of journalists. Kamm’s case is unique in weaving all these elements into a single story; but its real danger lies, of coures, in the unprecedented clampdown on a journalistic source – even more disproportionate than the sadistically vindictive persecution of Mordechai Vanunu."

And a civilian blogger releasing leaked info regarding covered up IDF suicides http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2012/12/15/israeli-police-arrest-interrogate-gag- blogger/
Before beginning this post, I want to note that there is a great deal we don’t know about this case thanks to the Israeli police’s pressure on the victim to maintain silence. But here, I’ll say what I know and then speculate about what I don’t know when I think there’s enough independent evidence to do so.

We know that an anonymous Israeli blogger calling himself Eishton (“Newsman” or “Paperman;” perhaps also a play on “Bibiton,” a derisive reference to Yisrael HaYom) was “invited” by the Israeli military police for interrogation, at which he was presented with unspecified “violations” of the law he’s alleged to have committed. At the end of his first interrogation there was debate among the authorities about whether to continue his remand or release him. He was released, but not before he was forced to sign a statement promising not to divulge the content or nature of his interrogation or the charges against him.

For that reason, he has been unable to comment in any detail on what happened to him. Haaretz’s Barak Ravid has written about this. Since Ravid is usually a conduit for the Israeli political establishment, I’m guessing he was leaked this story by someone in the PM’s office or the like:

posted August 06, 2014 06:15 PM            

I am very sorry that those pictures upset some of you. It is correct to be upset. But make sure that your anger is directed at the right object. The continuation of fighting will end up with more pictures like this. For me it is not relevant if the children are called Ahmed, Yusef and Mousa or Gadi, Moshe and Udi. No more killing. This will end with a negotiated agreement. We all know that. All the parties involved will make compromises on issues that they said from the outset that they will not compromise on. There will be political gains for those we wish to punish. This is unavoidable. It will not end until there is an agreement, so just do it. End the killing now and work out the details of the agreement.”

From another Israeli who loves his country...and what I have been t alking about.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Encountering-Peace-The-aftermath-370278

posted August 07, 2014 09:37 AM            

As long as rockets are fired into Israel in your name, as long as Israeli citizens are kidnapped or killed in your name, those rocket launching sites and the terrorist murder/kidnap tunnels will continue to be bombed and rocketed.

posted August 07, 2014 09:47 AM            

We live in the year 2014 and apparently the humankind is still unable to value and to follow peace.

I hate seeing people suffering in the Gaza Strip BUT I hate seeing and hearing Israel-bashing as well. There are like 100000 states and countries in the world that are far more worse than Israel in respect of human rights, etc. Israel is a democratic and free state. Many states are not. How often do you hear about them?
20% of all Israelis are of Arab descent who live a free life there. They don't live in ghettos, they are allowes to attend universities, to open shops, to walk down any street, to have pets, etc. (that are things that were prohibited to Jews under German occupation). But how often do we hear about free arabs living in Israel in the media? I am of the opinion that Western media often have that anti-semitic tone when they make a report. It's like we see dead arab children and jews who chained themselves in their houses because they don't want to be relocated.
And as a German who listened intentionally during History lessons it really freaks me out if anyone compares the arab situation to any situation during the Holocaust.

posted August 07, 2014 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I think all of us would agree if someone states that dead children - no matter if they had arabian or jewish blood in their veins - are a shame for any civilization.

We live in the year 2014 and apparently the humankind is still unable to value and to follow peace.

I hate seeing people suffering in the Gaza Strip BUT I hate seeing and hearing Israel-bashing as well. There are like 100000 states and countries in the world that are far more worse than Israel in respect of human rights, etc. Israel is a democratic and free state. Many states are not. How often do you hear about them?
20% of all Israelis are of Arab descent who live a free life there. They don't live in ghettos, they are allowes to attend universities, to open shops, to walk down any street, to have pets, etc. (that are things that were prohibited to Jews under German occupation). But how often do we hear about free arabs living in Israel in the media? I am of the opinion that Western media often have that anti-semitic tone when they make a report. It's like we see dead arab children and jews who chained themselves in their houses because they don't want to be relocated.
And as a German who listened intentionally during History lessons it really freaks me out if anyone compares the arab situation to any situation during the Holocaust.

The Holocaust is UNIQUE regarding PLANNED genocide. NOTHING, not even any other genocide, can be compared to the Holocaust.

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posted August 07, 2014 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
The very best thing Palestinians could do is hang every member of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and every other member of terrorist organizations operating in Gaza and the West Bank.

As long as rockets are fired into Israel in your name, as long as Israeli citizens are kidnapped or killed in your name, those rocket launching sites and the terrorist murder/kidnap tunnels will continue to be bombed and rocketed.

Neither the United States or any other nation would put up with their cities and citizens being rocketed from a neighboring territory. Not for even one day would the United States permit that to continue.

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posted August 07, 2014 11:47 AM            

The Holocaust ranks up there but is it an excuse for subjecting another people to the same treatment? The history of Israel is of European people deciding they want to live on someone elses land. Bit by bit they have expanded their territory. Can no one see how the Arabs, arbitrarily divided into countries by the "superior" powers, might see themselves as the victims defending themselves?

And shura, can you not see that its far too late to admit that making Israel and the Middle East were a huge mistake? Israel is now full of people who know no other home. This man is trying to stop the dehumanization of his people..arrogant?

Meanwhile hundreds of thousands have been killed in Syria, a country that has lorded it over others like Lebanon etc for decades...

posted August 07, 2014 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
You've heard of the Trail of Tears, Enneline? The systematic elimination by all means available of the native peoples of the Americas? How about the takeover of Africa? The Inquisition perhaps?

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It was not as systematic as the Holocaust. Did any Person had to prove he has no native blood in his veins? Germans had to do that. They had to prove http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_certificate
Did they search for natives in hiding? The Nazis did it for years. They searched for Jews in hiding (the so-called "u-boats"), blackmailed and tortured Germans who they suspected to help Jews in hiding and so on. Did they put them in death camps like Ausschwitz? Did they invent a method in order to kill as many as possible like the Nazis did?

The Holocaust is really an unique genocide in many respects. I am not saying that other genocids were less inhuman; I am just saying that the Holocaust differs in many ways.

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posted August 07, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
and please, as I stated above. I am NOT jewish. I am half-persian (hey, Iran my father country allegedly hates Israel), I grew up in Germany WITH the grandchildren of ardent Nazis (partly their grandfathers were direct reports to the top 10 Nazis) and none of my friends state things like you do.

Try to put this together

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posted August 07, 2014 02:53 PM            

When peace activists of the Gaza Flotilla tried to break the Gaza blockade recently, nine Turkish activists were killed. The official Israeli government "explanation" for their deaths was that they were "terrorists." However it's obvious that Dr. Moskovitz is not a "terrorist," but a man whose entire life has been dedicated to peace. So why are peace activists being manhandled and killed by Israeli soldiers?

And why was a Jew trying to break the blockade of Gaza? In his own words: "It is a sacred duty for me, as a [Holocaust] survivor, to protest against the persecution, the oppression and the imprisonment of so many people in Gaza, including more than 800,000 children."

"I as a Holocaust survivor cannot live with the fact that the State of Israel is imprisoning an entire people behind fences," Dr. Moskovitz said, adding that "it's just immoral."

"What happened to me in the Holocaust wakes me up every night and I hope we don't do the same thing to our neighbors," he said, adding that he was comparing "what I went through during the Holocaust to what the besieged Palestinian children are going through."
http://thehype rtexts.com/Essays%20Articles%20Reviews%20Prose/Nakba%20Holocaust%20Palestinians%20Reuven%20Moskovitz%20Holocaust%20Survivor%20Peace%20Activist.htm

posted August 07, 2014 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I did not say that you deny the horrors of the Holocaust. I said that you can't compare the systematic genoicide to any genocide that ever took place.

And I never said that hundreds or thousands of human beings behind fences is something acceptable. I just said that there are no gas chambers there. No systematic genoicide.

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