posted August 11, 2014 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
In Belfast these days there is still hatred between protestants/catholics..loyalists/separatists. However all have learned that constant warfare destroys everyone and their environment. So despite division there is peace. Some said it couldn't be done but when people value peace and humanity above being right it can and will be done.

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Have you read the Quran? Have you read Mohammed's biography? Do you know that Islam can never coexist with other religions, other ideas, other human beings, well except if Muslims are in the upper echelon, and the others are totally dominated by Sharia law as Dhimis? When Muslims are in a minority situation, they ask for rights and appear to want peace, etc.. they even use the democratic system and the good legal rights to their advantage in a very slickly manner. When they are more than a small minority, they start by asking for more, such as partial installation of Sharia Law, but if they are a majority, the call the land Muslim Land, and no one has any equal rights with Muslims in a Muslim Land.

Well, look at present day Europe. Muslims were non existent 50 years ago, but now they are a powerful minority that is asking for Sharia Law to be applied not only to them, but as well to others. In Sweden and Britain, they are openly saying that if girls or women do not cover their hair, then males have the right to rape them. Rape is nothing in Islam, and there are no laws to punish the rapists. but if a Raped Woman complains, it is she who will be stoned.

Who is not able to live with others? Europe and America opened their doors and social programs to Muslims from all retarded places in the world. They come seeking refuge from the hell their countries live under, or they seek better life, better work, better system, but it does not take them long before they ask that their new countries adopt the system they had run away from, they start to want Islamic Laws, Islamic misery, and Islamic non sense.

The Quran states categorically that Muslims should not seek peace as long as they are more powerful than their opponent. They can only accept peace when they are weaker than the opponent. The Prophet is ordered in his Quran, not to stop the war as long as he has the upper hand, and after he had killed a large number of his enemies (no place for taking a large number of POWs, kill as many as you can first).

Who is against peace? The problem is you are comparing apples and oranges. Christians who fought others have nothing sacred in their book that tells them this is an order from God to kill others, but in Islam it is different. Muslims have the duty and the orders from F. Allah to invade non Muslim places, subjugate their people, sexually enslave their women and children etc... if they refuse to become Muslims. Did you know that?

You have Saudi Arabia in front of you; No Christian, or Jewish or anything else is allowed to live in that country, except imported slave workers from other countries in a temporary basis. You have Iraq and Syria today where Islamists are going back to the original Islam at the time of Mohammed and his followers that accepts nothing But Islam, and so Christians and Yazidis (Yazidis existed in Iraq thousands of years before Islam invaded Iraq) are being kicked out of their homes, not allowed to even carry their prescribed medicines with them.

Hamas Charter as well as the todays speeches of its leadership have as a goal the destruction from the sea to the river of Israel that (they want to have peace with?).

posted August 11, 2014 01:56 PM            

This woman is at least more honest than you, "waleed"indeed

posted August 11, 2014 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by waleedNehmeh:
I am reposting the reply in a manner Junip can see clearly the sentences.

Junip:

Who has even asked you to engage in a discussion?

Do not inflate your ego with more than you can handle.

I am not at all interested in wasting any time with the dense ones!!

Thank you anyway.

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waleedNehmeh,
Your candor and up front agenda setting is refreshing . It is a rare soul to come in and be so honest . Thank you !!

posted August 11, 2014 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mother s/

This woman is at least more honest than you, "waleed"indeed

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Good to know that your reference is the Iranian PressTV.

Iran claims it wants to liberate Jerusalem, and destroy Israel. Tell me, what does Iran have to do with Jerusalem? Why does Iran as an (Islamic regime) want to "liberate" Jerusalem, when many Arabs do not reach that level of enthusiasm it has regarding this issue? Why Jordan, Egypt, many among Palestinians, and other Arabs have no such enthusiasm ? Now, you brought me a video of some one grieving that wants this or that, but do you have the ability to see what I can show you from the other side? The way the Muslim Brotherhoods fabricate videos of children dying (in Syria as well as in Gaza), the speeches that show Arafat saying something in English and its exact opposite in Arabic? I can spend a lot of time with you in this issue alone, but I am so sure that nothing will change your mind a bit. I only pray that the truth be shown to you by some miraculous way because I know how hard it is for some one to know she has been wrong all along. God bless you.

posted August 11, 2014 03:16 PM            

Israel has had her terrorist history since her statehood.

After the creation of Israel:

The following groups have been considered religious terrorist organizations in Israel:

Gush Emunim Underground (1979–84): formed by members of the Israeli political movement Gush Emunim. This group is most well known for two actions. Firstly, for bomb attacks on the mayors of West Bank cities on June 2, 1980, and secondly, an abandoned plot to blow up the Temple Mount mosques. The Israeli Judge Zvi Cohen, heading the sentencing panel at the group’s trial, stated that they had three motives, ‘not necessarily shared by all the defendants. The first motive, at the heart of the Temple Mount conspiracy, is religious.’

Keshet (Kvutza Shelo Titpasher) (1981–1989): A Tel Aviv anti-Zionist haredi group focused on bombing property without loss of life.:101 Yigal Marcus, Tel Aviv District Police commander, said that he considered the group a gang of criminals, not a terrorist group.

The "Bat Ayin Underground" or Bat Ayin group. In 2002, four people from Bat Ayin and Hebron were arrested outside of Abu Tor School, a Palestinian girls' school in East Jerusalem, with a trailer filled with explosives. Three of the men were convicted for the attempted bombingBrit HaKanaim (Hebrew: áÀÌøÄéú äÇ÷ÇðÇàÄéí, lit. Covenant of the Zealots) was a radical religious Jewish underground organisation which operated in Israel between 1950 and 1953, against the widespread trend of secularisation in the country. The ultimate goal of the movement was to impose Jewish religious law in the State of Israel and establish a Halakhic state.

The Kingdom of Israel group (Hebrew: îìëåú éùøàì, Malchut Yisrael), or Tzrifin Underground, were active in Israel in the 1950s. The group carried out attacks on the diplomatic facilities of the USSR and Czechoslovakia and occasionally shot at Jordanian troops stationed along the border in Jerusalem. Members of the group were caught trying to bomb the Israeli Ministry of Education in May 1953, have been described as acting because of the secularisation of Jewish North African immigrants which they saw as 'a direct assault on the religious Jews' way of life and as an existential threat to the ultra-Orthodox community in Israel.'

I agree some terrorist groups ( example hammas}are more dangerous due to financial backing,sheer numbers and religious zealotry .

posted August 11, 2014 03:52 PM            

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000009.html

Please not them and enjoy your stay at Lindaland!

posted August 11, 2014 03:52 PM            

Well, look at present day Europe. Muslims were non existent 50 years ago, but now they are a powerful minority that is asking for Sharia Law to be applied not only to them, but as well to others. In Sweden and Britain, they are openly saying that if girls or women do not cover their hair, then males have the right to rape them. Rape is nothing in Islam, and there are no laws to punish the rapists. but if a Raped Woman complains, it is she who will be stoned.

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posted August 11, 2014 04:02 PM            

Hamas Charter as well as the todays speeches of its leadership have as a goal the destruction from the sea to the river of Israel that (they want to have peace with?)

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posted August 11, 2014 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
As a service to the newest posters in Global Unity, I refer to the Lindaland Rules.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000009.html

Please not them and enjoy your stay at Lindaland!

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When I post about the Quran, the biography of Mohammed, or Islam, I can back up anything I say with verses from the book, and Islamic books that are officially recognized by Saudi Arabia, or Al Azhar in Egypt. The books are available on the net. These books used to be secret before the advancement of technology, and only "learned" Muslims (Very few) knew of the dirt they contained), and the real meaning of the Quran verses that the Clergies try to hide from ordinary Muslims. I have read the Quran in Arabic, as well as in English and French. Let me tell you that the translations into these two languages try to improve and some time completely reverse the meaning of the verse, some times, by adding words between parentheses to indicate that Allah wanted that word in but forgot, or by miss-translating words because they are ashamed of telling it as it is. So, if you think I am defaming the Quran or anything else, I have what can prove you otherwise. Muslims in general try always to deny what is in their Quran, and try to say that Arabic is so difficult that only few know the meaning, up to a degree where they claim that only Allah himself knows the meaning of what he supposedly sent them. Anyway.

Then, looking at another post where the poster listed few so called Jewish terror organizations that I see them copied in every discussion forum in the whole Internet, they were copied thousands of times that they have become worthless, and they were worthless to start with. Show me any Jewish terror group you listed that was involved in such massive scale as the PLO, Hamas, ISIS, NOSSRA, and so on? Show me if the groups you listed still exist until today? Or they did a one event thing and disappeared?

It seems to me that when one trader reaches bankruptcy he/she starts searching their ancient books, that perhaps they can find a penny here or there that can be repaid to them by their ancient clients. We are now before Islamic terror that is unprecedented in modern times; heads slayed, women raped by the hundreds, millions kicked out of their homes because they are not Muslims, crimes that only few weeks or months ago we thought them to be impossible, and when we read about them in old Islamic history we did not think twice about them for they seemed unreal, and we could not care less about them since that was history. Now we see Islam repeating its history, and the world is silent, and instead of saving those millions of Iraqi/Syrian Christians, and thousands of Yazidis, the world talks about Gaza and the few sacrificed children that Hamas offered to blame Israel.

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posted August 11, 2014 05:53 PM            

He has

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posted August 11, 2014 06:22 PM            

He has 

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Sometimes people who keep overbusy (to avoid what?) and who think they know everything there is to know about a topic...and consider themselves on a mission from god...

don't bother to read what others say. Their comprehension suffers and feeds their obsessive beliefs creating a vicious circle of misunderstanding.

posted August 11, 2014 06:51 PM            

I was, like all other ordinary Muslims under the imagination that Quran is a book from the almighty God to guide our human behavior and so we can get along and be in harmony. I, like most could not even envisage the Quran to be any thing different than all religious books calling for morality and good behavior. I tried to read the rest of the Quran by myself apart from what I am taught in school, but always found it incoherent as the author (Allah) jumps from one item to another without explaining anything.

I wanted to see the beginning of the universe because that interested me great deal, and sought the answer in the Quran, but I had to abandon this every time as there is absolutely no coherence in the book, and if one was writing a Thesis such as for an MS or a PhD and came up with such a book, the grade zero will be given to him for sure. However, I did not think of it as immoral until much later when I had the chance to read a book published in Saudi Arabia as I was in that country, and showed me stories of the prophet, that to me were incredible, and I could not believe that a Prophet needed to do such things.

The first shock I had when reading that book of things Muslims are proud of what their prophet did was the many assassinations he carried out, in complete cowardice, to his opponents whom he could not argue successfully with religiously or logically.
He assassinated old men, pregnant women, old women, etc... people we can name if asked by any one of you, and the manners in which these assassinations took place reflected nothing but a behavior of a false prophet, coward, honor less, and a gang leader.

Still, I thought this was but one book, and probably there were mistakes or something like that, so I continued to have some faith in Islam as a moral religion, although I was saved by the Lord Jesus Christ before that, but my being saved had nothing to do with hating Islam, or thinking badly of it. Years later, I got interested in searching this religion and knowing everything about it, so I studied the Quran, the biography of Mohammed, the Islamic History and what they call Conquests of lands, and discovered the truth. The truth about each word of the Quran, questions regarding slavery that is so predominant of the Quran now became clear (As the teachers used to neglect saying a word about that). Now, I see that Mohammed invaded a Jewish tribe called Bani Qureiza so suddenly, they surrendered to him, but he still killed all of their adult males (700), took their wealth, distributed their women and children among his fighters, and raped the wife of the head of the Jewish Tribe in the same day he had killed her family, and husband. He added her (Safia) then to his collection of Harem they call Wives.

Then came a fascinating story about the prophet desiring his daughter in law, the wife of his adopted son (The adopted son was a slave of his first wife who died (Khadija) and left him to the prophet). How he brought a verse from Allah to abolish adoption so he can add her to his collection of wives as well... Surat Al Ahzab talks plainly about this story and about his special rights regarding having the right to sleep with any woman he desired even if she is married. For the tenth specificity given by Allah to his prophet Mohammed was that if the prophet desires a woman, her husband MUST divorce her so the prophet can marry her. He had 16 specificities.

The Quran is really divided or composed of two books, the first is called the Makkah Quran, and that is when Mohammed was weak (lasted 13 years in Makkah without much success) which contained nice verses, peaceful, called for freedom of choice, appeased Christians and Jews to join him, and the second is what came afterward (The Medina Quran) when he became powerful after having pirated his own tribe Caravan and stole its merchandise that was coming from Syria to his old tribe(conquest of Badr).

This Medina Quran contradicts every thing the other Quran came with, and the violent language and the orders to kill and rape are in it. Later in the centuries, the Muslim scholars found a solution to the plenty of contradictions that are between the two Qurans, and invented the concept of abrogation. Later verses abrogate the earlier ones.

posted August 11, 2014 08:24 PM            

Ah yes, there is godly genocide, and satanic genocide. I see now.

Those who believe in karma would say that by committing genocide as "ordered by the all loving (tho jealous!) God" the Jews created a mighty heavy karma.

Others like the reasonable man explaining that the jews did the heathens (including children) a favour by sending them to Eternal Life and not prolonging their satanic influence, are fine with the fact that genocide is the proud claim to the land promised by god.

Charming.

posted August 11, 2014 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]talking to people who have not studied the Quran AND the bible

He has

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posted August 11, 2014 08:35 PM            

it is turning into a religious thread . If it can`t return to the topic it will be moved to Divine Diversities.

Thanks all.

posted August 11, 2014 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by waleedNehmeh:
I see some posters have already filed for bankruptcy. My condolences!

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I have been patient with you and your counter part.

This thread has been requested to be closed by the thread starter.

I agree before it goes any further.
This is a warning to play nice with your brothers and sisters.