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Topic: The U.S justice system makes me sick
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 9809 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted August 22, 2014 01:57 AM
It's all a big money scheme, that's all it is. Our government/police force arrests people,incarcerates them,and makes them pay to bond themselves out of jail and they have to pay outrageous court fees on top of that. It also disturbs me to know how many non-violent offenders are currently in jail/prison for petty crimes. It's all about the money!! 💵💵💵💵💵💵💵 Just last week one of my best friends was arrested for the silliest things I have ever heard! He was charged with loitering and prowling and thrown in jail and spent 14 hours there until he could post bail. He had been visiting his girlfriend in the Atlanta metro area and went out late at night to get a bite to eat,got lost,pulled into a high school parking lot to turn around, and got his car stuck in a ditch when he was backing up. He called a tow truck to come and pull him out of the ditch and waited for over an hour until the guy finally got there. The guy with the tow truck finally got there and pulled him out of the ditch and my friend payed the guy and several minutes later the police showed up and started interrogating my friend. The guy driving the tow truck had called the cops!! The cops just assumed that my friend was there to vandalize the school or something and arrested him pretty much on the spot. So of course the towing company got to tow his car and it was more money 💵💵💵💵💵 for him. To make matters worse he was in jail for 10 hours before they even let him make a phone call and his girlfriend and her family were worried sick! It just sickens me to see how messed up the system is today. IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 5045 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 22, 2014 02:35 AM
One guy told me that one of his wake up calls was when he was waiting in court for several hours and in that time it fines & fees and if they can't pay, then jail. I overheard a man ranting about the drunk driver who killed his son got off because he had the money to pay for some course to tell him "drunk driving is wrong." Naturally, it was a lot of money so it was done for profit, then he basically watched the video (I wonder if he slept through it, it's not like it was telling him something he didn't already know) and then signed a paper promising not to drive drunk again. Had he not been able to pay for it then he was facing years in prison for manslaughter and/or the suspension of his license but for several hundred dollars or so he gets a clean slate. I bet the judge got a kickback for allowing that (it's been known to happen). I knew a guy who was on parole, it was insane how he got railroaded through the system when he was innocent. However, after several months he was released on parole...as long as he paid his monthly fees. But he's 18, no job, no family, he can't even support himself let alone pay like 200 dollars (I forget the exact price) a month to the state. Prison had been so bad that he BECAME a criminal to pay the extortion. And when he got busted for stealing cigarettes it was his parole officer who got him out and told him "don't get caught again" before releasing him to get the money. Oh yeah, a woman was disillusioned when the court kept playing games and rescheduling when she showed up to convict the burglar and when she finally gets stuck in traffic the judge threw the case out of court, the burglar was back on the streets...and he, too, was on parole (which meant he was paying fees, so the courts made sure he could keep paying the state's racket). Meanwhile, the judge has her dog (that bit the burglar and forced him to flee, unable to pay the state that month) destroyed. Sometimes the state acts as a pimp. And not just in fining prostitutes (and worse acts of corruption that I'm not sure is sanctioned by the state or private corruption on the side) but one girl (at least she was guilty) was set up to work as a strip dancer so she could pay the same extortion, er, legal fees of her probation or parole. (I wonder how many cops, judges, etc, had her give them a lap dance?) And it can get worse, like when cops research property they'd like to seize before cooking up a warrant to do so (especially effective when they can seize all your assets without a warrant or trial and then it's up to you to clear your name and get your assets back without the money to hire a lawyer and probably no longer with a job, assuming you're even alive to contest it at all), such as this: http://www.fear.org/chron/denoce.txt quote: On September 2, 1992, at a briefing conducted by the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department regarding the investigation of the Trail's End Ranch, officers present received documents which included a property appraisal statement of the Trail's End Ranch and a parcel map of the area. Both of these documents are attached. DEA Special Agent Charles A. Stowell, who made the aerial flyover, made a notation on the parcel map indicating that the property encompassed 200 acres and that 80 acres "in the area" had recently sold for $800,000.We can find no reason why law enforcement officers who were investigating suspected narcotics violations would have any interest in the value of the Trail's End Ranch or the value of property sold in the same area other than ff they had a motive to forfeit that property. As discussed in our report, although there may be other explanations for this , information, it is our opinion that the most reasonable explanation is that the law enforcement officers involved in the preparation of the search warrant were motivated, in part, by a desire to forfeit a valuable piece of property.
The guy who owned it was shot to death, or as I prefer to call it, murdered. Technically, since it was done in commission of a robbery it's a capital crime (that is had someone not a cop murdered him in order to inherit the property, for example, he'd face the gas chamber). Natch, deputies cleared themselves of all wrong doing. And that's just one of the more bad ones, plenty of other robberies go on, but for some reason Americans are more worried about corrupt cops in Mexico than in their own country. There's a reason some emphasize "criminal" when they describe the "criminal justice system." IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 43807 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 23, 2014 09:58 AM
It ain't perfect, but it's all we got.IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 5045 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 23, 2014 11:00 PM
I meant to mention last time...Morris Sheppard (the guy who pretty much got Prohibition rammed through) was himself a moonshiner who began to sell at premium once it was illegal (not that he made it, but it was made on his land and immediately began to do so, over a hundred gallons a day IIRC, after which in turn profited him after Prohibition passed).Corruption at its best. Oh yeah, a guy I knew told me about how his dad narrowly escaped prison after he, as a deputy, robbed a bank along with his wife. His wife went to prison, he didn't. Think the fact that the judge who did the sentencing was the bank robber's own father had anything to do with it? Naaa... ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/tongue.gif) IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 8253 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 24, 2014 04:56 PM
AquaG, I have read here the injustices you spoke of meted out against your father. I have empathy for you and your family over it. I`m curious, , when comparing justice systems, which countries systems are you comparing it to? Syria, Iran, Mexico or one you would ideally create? In contrast, I believe we have one that , on the whole, works. ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 5045 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 24, 2014 07:09 PM
Syria, Iran, and Mexico. I get the feeling you don't think we have the most people in prison and on death row than any other nation in the world, and that brutality and injustice are rare here. They are not. Amnesty International, the ACLU, and quite a few others can help clear that up. In any case I hope you're not pulling a "some countries have it worse, so be grateful you have it as good as you got it." Perspective is all well and good, but not when it smothers anger that could eventually lead to some positive change, especially as many realize they're not alone in their discontent. And why not list New Zealand, Sweden, or Germany? They're not perfect, but I trust their justice systems far more than the US, in fact I'd rather be tried for a crime I was actually guilty of in one of those 3 countries than for the same crime I'm innocent of in the United States. Heck, most of the West have outlawed unethical practices by police that our cops are ENCOURAGED to do in order to get false confessions, among other safeguards that make their countries closer to the ideal than ours. IP: Logged | |