posted September 06, 2014 01:43 PM            

What good will it do Israel to gain the entire Middle East if its people lose their souls?

My ascendant conjuncts your chiron/hekate. Hence by your definition I am the one who is trying to show you what you absolutely REFUSE to see.

The very opposite of obfuscation.

posted September 06, 2014 01:54 PM            

The very opposite of obfuscation.

Is this a joke?

Weird Al to the rescue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8

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posted September 06, 2014 02:04 PM            

When Palestinians broke a ceasefire (which no one discussed with them) the result was bombing. When Israel takes advantage of a ceasefire honoured by ty he Palestinians by grabbing more of the WEst Bank they call that self defense too....as did Hitler in taking over Poland.

The Righteous Jews site is not about abolishing the white race as jwhop tried to paint it. That Is another group altogether who want not to eliminate white PEOPLE but the supremacy of any race over another. The paragraph he quoted out of context sounds disgusting but the context is less extreme. Cant comment further because I havent had time to thoroughly study it.

posted September 06, 2014 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Yes change the subject. Gaslight the comment.

I am resigning as your Hekate due to the overwhelming bad vibe I feel from you. Onward to oblivion.

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posted September 06, 2014 02:10 PM            

No, the lesson Hitler taught us was to stand up against EVIL!

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posted September 06, 2014 02:42 PM            

My passion was Social Psych. I wanted to get a Phd in it but didn't because the only job was teaching.

Nazi Germany did NOT happen because there was ONE evil man or even a small cadre of evil men.

It happened because the "Good Germans" did nothing.

It only happened because the normal, common every day people would not stand up--the grandmothers, the animal lovers, the simple workers, the teachers, the doctors, the professors,the nurses, the shop owners.

The lesson of Nazi Germany is not to be a "Good German", not that Hitler was a bad dude.

There are 1000's of Hitlers.There always have been and there always will be.

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posted September 06, 2014 03:00 PM            

Don't act as if because you adhere to your Jewish roots you know more about Nazi Germany than I do.

MOST GERMANS did not stand up because excuses were made, small steps were taken quite secretly until it was too late, they swallowed the story of the "Jewish Threat", they were flattered by the idea of being part of a superior race...the list of reasons is endess BUT MANY DID stand up

against the systematic demonization of a group of people.

I am STANDING UP ami. Against Jews becoming just like the Nazis they claim to abhor. I also stand up against jihadists and anti-jewish sentiment which mistakenly equates the Israeli right wing government with all Jews.

These are not separate issues.

The first cause must not be a rival, or a left-wing alternative, to the latter two.

From what I read and hear, it seems to me the Left is talking about Israel’s occupation and onslaught in Gaza – but not about rising anti-Semitism in Europe or about Islamic State (IS) and jihadism, or at least not about how to combat them. My impression is that leftists see this as a zero-sum game: the more outrage about anti-Semitism or IS, the less about the occupation and Gaza, and since the occupation and Gaza is their main concern (mine too), they pay no more than lip service to anti-Semitism, often to say it’s being exaggerated by the Right. And though they deplore IS and jihadism, they’re also against any Western military response to it, often blaming Western military action in the Middle East for creating the problem in the first place, or at least for amplifying it.

The Right, on the other hand, is talking only about anti-Semitism, IS and jihadism, hoping that it will take people’s minds off the occupation and Gaza, or, better yet, convince them that it justifies Israel’s violent domination of the Palestinians, or, best of all, show them that Israel’s violent domination of the Palestinians is an integral part of the world’s fight against IS and jihadism.

posted September 06, 2014 03:06 PM            

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posted September 06, 2014 03:13 PM            

I agree with him it appears futile to talk to the right wing about this subject anymore.

I also Stand Up to Christians who think it is okay to say "Convert or be Killed" to their mirror Muslims.

And those who think that it's okay to lie and misrepresent those Standing Up by crediting them with others' words/websites.

Now do you have any other Big Words you think I won't understand?

posted September 06, 2014 03:19 PM            

I pray He will do it for the Jew haters here and everywhere.

I thank God for the Righteous Gentiles like Jwhop.

We, Jews and Israel, could not exist without them.

We owe them a GREAT debt of gratitude

Take care, Cata!

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posted September 07, 2014 10:54 AM            

It wasn't righteous gentiles that ended Nazi Germany It was countrIes fighting for their sovereignty that made them destroy the Reich. Israel was created for political influence in the region. That it jibed with the interest of zionist jews was a happy convenience. But a disaster for the people living there. Just like Ńative Anericans they were seen to be less than civilized or human. This is the problem, not Judaism or Jews.

posted September 07, 2014 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
The definition of insanity is to keep saying/doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

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EXACTLY

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posted September 07, 2014 11:50 AM            

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posted September 07, 2014 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I've never understood that definition for insanity. It's more like the definition for futility. Although, it's quite insane to think that Israel should stand idly by while thousands of rockets are being fired at them. Would any of us stand by and watch our families be attacked? They have the right to defend themselves and to prevent future attacks.

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That was not the intent of the thread but it got dragged there.

No one said it nor ment it.

It is about the holocaust survivors opinion. Don`t agree with them but don`t bash them either.

Thats what I mean by the insanity quote.

posted September 07, 2014 04:59 PM            

None of which justifies the ghetto that is Gaza or the wholesale slaughter of civilians (after curtailing their food and water, destroying homes schools and hospital s)

Despite the "humane" warnings so vaunted by t he Israeli side most people are UNABLE to vacate for various reasons - Hamas being one big one - so those warnings are more cosmetic than anything else.

Nor is taking advantage of a ceasefire to grab territory excusable.

If people insist on "my side is innocent no matter what" the necessary negotiations for peaceful coexistence and routing of Hamas will never happen.

But I dont see much acceptance of that fact here. Every time the subject comes up the Shutup Brigade comes with their Reich-like accusations of terrorist loving etc etc etcetera

Not much hope for progress in that unless people actually still think we can bomb every last terrorist to oblivion...even tho its observable that for every one killed three replace him.

posted September 07, 2014 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I've never understood that definition for insanity. It's more like the definition for futility. Although, it's quite insane to think that Israel should stand idly by while thousands of rockets are being fired at them. Would any of us stand by and watch our families be attacked? They have the right to defend themselves and to prevent future attacks.

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posted September 07, 2014 06:15 PM            

A hand picked FEW who hate Israel and want to see her destroyed. At least, be honest!

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posted September 07, 2014 07:03 PM            

You insist that anyone who sees human beings being murderously mistreated instead of THE INFIDEL is also looking to destroy Israel. There have been demos IN ISRAEL by hundreds of thousands of people...a cherry picked handful who want to destroy their homelands NOT.

The recent demonstrations in Tel Aviv and Haifa against the Gaza war have largely failed to reach the global media. And while the end of the bloodshed still seems far from sight, there is a different, violent confrontation being held inside Israel – one that targets Arab citizens and left-wing activists on the internet, and uses physical violence against anti-war demonstrators
http://972mag.com/unprecedented-violence-stalks-anti-war-demos-across-israel/94530/

who is being silenced? how easy do you think it is for ANY israeli to Stand Up in the climate there?

How many of the Righteous Germans you know about stood up on the media and made their faces/names known? To do so is almost certainy to be stopped. SO if ANYone is going online or into print about these things you can be sure they are only an iceberg tip.

As the demos illustrate one need be very brave indeed to take part!

These "dissidents" want to save Israel not destroy her but they realize that mirroring what was done to Jews can only destroy her from the inside and bring worse violence from the outside.

posted September 07, 2014 07:10 PM            

100% not true!Don't try to tarnish me to make yourself look better.

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