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shura
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posted August 26, 2014 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/adri-nieuwhof/last-interview-auschwitz-survivor-urged-palestinians-not-give-their-fight

Hajo was born in 1924 and had to flee alone from Nazi Germany at the age of 14 because the Nazis would not allow him to attend school anymore. His parents sent him to the Netherlands in January 1939.

A year later, the Netherlands was occupied by Germany. In 1943, Hajo went into hiding but was captured by the Gestapo in March 1944 and deported to the Auschwitz death camp where the Nazis tattooed number “179679” on his arm.
After the war, Meyer returned to the Netherlands where he had a long career as a physicist. He also took up making violins in his retirement.

In a previous interview with The Electronic Intifada, Hajo said: “For as long as I can, I will continue to utter my criticism of inhuman Zionist behavior.”

“My message for the Palestinians is that they should not give up their fight,” he replied. “If they give up, they might lose their self-esteem with the ongoing humiliations by the Israeli Nazis. Fight with human means. It is justified to show to the Israeli Zionists that you are a force to reckon with. Fight with stones, with weapons. Yes, also with weapons. If you don’t fight, you lose your self-esteem and will not be respected by the Israelis.”

“If we Western democratic societies don’t support the Palestinians in their fight, we must feel ashamed if the Palestinians are annihilated. The US and the European Union must show their teeth,” he added.

Hajo was one of more than forty survivors of the Nazi genocide who recently signed a letter condemning Israel’s bombardment of Gaza.

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posted August 27, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Jews who suffered the Holocaust are a different batch of Angelic Souls. They suffered for all of us today, so that we do not repeat the Nazi crimes against humanity.

Sad to see so called democracies, civilized countries and Islamic countries all justify genocides against civilians in the name of curbing terror. Israel, Syria, Pakistan, India are all in the same boat. Earning tons of bad karma for their hawkish middle class populace that is comfortable with imperialism and genocide for a few dollars more. A couple of decades from now, citizens of these countries would be ashamed of their nationality.

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shura
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posted August 27, 2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said, iQ

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shura
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posted August 27, 2014 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Full text of the letter Hajo Meyer signed, along with three hundred Holocaust survivors, just before his death. May God bless his soul.

"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza

"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.

"We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.

"Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.

"We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"

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posted August 27, 2014 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://972mag.com/now-is-the-time-for-american-jews-to-speak-up-on-israel/96019/

Observations from an Israeli who finds the PC jewish/American attitude toward Israel troubling.

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posted August 28, 2014 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shura, IQ, Catalina, et.al:

There's a wide streak of insanity running through the supporters of Islamic terrorist supporters and Jew haters.

That streak of insanity and Jew hatred is so wide, so deep and so vivid it jumps off the page where it's displayed. Like here!

Terrorist supporters and Jew haters need to get it firmly fixed in their minds that Israel is not going to stand idle while Islamic terrorists target it's citizens with rockets and bombs.

These are not "freedom fighters. They're not "militants". They're TERRORISTS and like ISIS, they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

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posted August 28, 2014 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadly Jwhop, you dont get it. We are not supporting the same thing in Islamic jihadists that we are protesting in Israel! IQ especially..but also the Jews quoted above. Try to understand that just because one deplores the methods does not mean one hates the entire people/country. Racism, colonialism and genocide are all part of an ugly side of human nature that should be protestd d to the very last minute ... by ALL of us.

And holocaust survivors ISRAELIS are the loudest protesters because they get it.

NEVER AGAIN also means not BY jews as well as not TO jews. One does not defend oneself by becoming like those who did it to you.

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posted August 28, 2014 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've got it wrong.

I see right through bullshiiit...like the bullshiiit I'm seeing here.

You're delusional if you think I don't get it.

No rational person would tell the Jews in Israel that defending themselves against terrorists MAKES THEM LIKE THE TERRORISTS. Insanity personified.

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posted August 28, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many Jews and holocaust survivors have to spell it out before you see the difference between self defense and genocide? Between self defense and preemptive territorialism?

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posted August 28, 2014 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
You've got it wrong.

I see right through bullshiiit...like the bullshiiit I'm seeing here.

You're delusional if you think I don't get it.

No rational person would tell the Jews in Israel that defending themselves against terrorists [b]MAKES THEM LIKE THE TERRORISTS. Insanity personified.[/B]



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posted August 28, 2014 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No rational person would tell the Arabs of Gaza that defending themselves against an invading army using terrorist tactics MAKES THEM LIKE THE TERRORISTS. Let's remember who did the invading here.

Imagine telling a Holocaust survivor he or she is an anti-Semitic Jew hater! Think about that. Now tell me who's rational here.

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shura
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posted August 28, 2014 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's acts such as these which compel more and more Righteous Jews to speak out against Israel's totalitarian Zionist regime

Israeli forces fire tear gas in Nablus elementary school

Published yesterday (updated) 27/08/2014 18:41

NABLUS (Ma'an) -- Israeli forces raided an elementary school in the Nablus village of Burin on Wednesday and fired tear gas and stun grenades at pupils, witnesses said.

Locals said that the raid took place after a Palestinian youth threw rocks at a settler vehicle traveling near the school.

Israel media said one settler was injured after his car was hit by rocks on a road leading to Yizhar settlement.

Several schoolchildren were injured after inhaling tear gas and were treated at the scene by medics. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=723777

video here, recorded by ISM volunteer
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/vid eo-israeli-soldiers-fire-tear-gas-6-year-old-children-their-way-school

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posted August 28, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I`m cherry picking but this is all that needs said to UNDERSTAND the seperation between politics, race, religion and the disgust for terrrorists.

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to understand that just because one deplores the methods does not mean one hates the entire people/country. Racism, colonialism and genocide are all part of an ugly side of human nature that should be protestd d to the very last minute ... by ALL of us.

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posted August 28, 2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And holocaust survivors ISRAELIS are the loudest protesters because they get it.

More and more are crying out every day.

How anyone can deny them , their voice, knowledge and pain while sweeping them under the carpet is unthinkable.

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posted August 29, 2014 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the bullshiiit I'm seeing here.

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posted August 29, 2014 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess the definition of a Righteous Jew, is a Jew who says to their enemies...come slit my throat and the throats of my wife and children. Come blow me and my family to shreds. That seems to be the leftist definition of.."Righteous Jew".

But wait one. Show me in the Old Testament Bible..which is the Bible any "Righteous Jew" would use...where the God of Israel said to the Israelites.."Do not raise your hand in defense of yourselves and your families, but rather, let your enemies slaughter you".

I'll wait right here while supporters of Islamic terrorists and the Jew haters go look it up...and post it right here.

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posted August 29, 2014 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, you may be waiting a long time as the posts in this thread are at cross purposes .

Every ones definition of righteous will vary. Agreed.

Holocaust victims speaking out is another matter.

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Hajo was one of more than forty survivors of the Nazi genocide who recently signed a letter condemning Israel’s bombardment of Gaza.


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And holocaust survivors ISRAELIS are the loudest protesters because they get it.
More and more are crying out every day.

How anyone can deny them , their voice, knowledge and pain while sweeping them under the carpet is unthinkable.



This is bullshiiit?

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posted August 29, 2014 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you're right, jwhop, it doesn't say that in the OLD testament that Jews would refer to. Rather it says the Jews should eliminate all those who do not bow to THEIR god and the kingdom will be given them.

Holy ---- sounds a bit like the Quran doesn't it? How about stoning adulterers and destroying the wicked cities...

But you want to pretend Israel is less guilty than anyone else. Double standard much?

If the only lesson Israel took away from the Holocaust was to be more like those who persecuted them, then they will end the same way.

But let's not pretend that any of the Allies went into WWII to save the poor victimized Jews (and commies and gypsies and mentally feeble)...the regular folk yes, the PTB, no way!

as always they will look out for their own interests (power and finance) until it suits them to chnge sides.

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posted August 29, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess the definition of a Righteous Jew, is a Jew who says to their enemies...come slit my throat and the throats of my wife and children

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posted August 29, 2014 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll wait right here while supporters of Islamic terrorists and the Jew haters go look it up..

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posted August 29, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, some one above me ^ ^ certainly thinks the holocaust victims don`t have a right or voice.

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posted August 29, 2014 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll wait right here while supporters of Islamic terrorists and the Jew haters go look it up...and post it right here.

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posted August 29, 2014 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For what it's worth (not much when certain political parts of the brain have overwhelmed the more rational parts), there's a difference between going after terrorists and going after everyone in the same demographic. Those against genocide are talking about the latter, not the former (as well as not pushing more people into terrorism by treating the entire demographic all the same).

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posted August 31, 2014 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's a difference between going after terrorists and going after everyone in the same demographic. Those against genocide are talking about the latter, not the former (as well as not pushing more people into terrorism by treating the entire demographic all the same).

Repeating ^ because .....

it makes sense.

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posted August 31, 2014 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, where is that passage from the Old Testament...the bible the Righteous Jews would use...which says to the enemies of the Jews...come kill us and we are not to resist your murder of ourselves, our wives and our children.

Where is it Jew haters and Islamic terrorist supporters?

By the way, there is an attempt at genocide operating in the Middle East. Perhaps if you leftists can find the switches to turn your brains on, you will discover exactly whom is involved. Hint, it's not Israel.

"Though glossed over in major media reporting on the Israel-Gaza confrontation, the Hamas conflict with the Jewish State remains deeply ideological. Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV broadcast a sermon Friday reaffirming the Hamas ideology that according to Islam, it is Muslim destiny to exterminate the Jews.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/30/Hamas-TV-Muslims-to-exterminate-the-Jews

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