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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2014 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But choice IS the operative word.

No, some things are fated.

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posted September 10, 2014 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I try to educate people.

I try to teach people but what is going to happen will happen.

That cannot be changed.

It is an appointment with destiny bigger than you, bigger than me, bigger than liberals and conservatives.

In the end, each person chooses whom He will serve. That is his only choice because the rest is fated.

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posted September 11, 2014 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How does an American stand up as an American?

Never to allow fatalism and fear drive your life. You give up all rights when you do.

Do what you know you can to make a difference.

Be an honorable citizen and neighbor.
Vote
Write and write again your:
congress person
senator
potus/p.m.

Network for peaceful solutions .

Imagine 8 million peaceful souls flooding D.C. doorsteps and silently being a voice.

Live life, be the change you want to see.

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posted September 11, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Never to allow fatalism and fear drive your life. You give up all rights when you do.

Do what you know you can to make a difference.

Be an honorable citizen and neighbor.
Vote
Write and write again your:
congress person
senator
potus/p.m.

Network for peaceful solutions .

Imagine 8 million peaceful souls flooding D.C. doorsteps and silently being a voice.

Live life, be the change you want to see.

Take a look around and see how much good that is doing

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posted September 11, 2014 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes some people prefer to complain and feel controlled all right. Fate is a handy excuse to wallow in misery.

You can bet those who did nothing in Nazi Germany told themselves what was happening was Fate. Those who bucked the system said "We'll see about that".

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posted September 11, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes indeed. They told themselves it was dangerous to "rock the boat" that it was "too late" and "Fate" and if the Jews didn't refuse to integrate, ie become good Christian Germans, they had only themselves to blame.

They told themselves that they needed a STRONG LEADER who would protect them and inspire hope for a better future.

They told themselves that those stuck up Jews who called themselves CHOSEN were going to TAKE OVER if something was not DONE!!

That the mentally challenged were being taken to communities where they would be better cared for

That the gypsies were a nuisance to be rid of

But some people think if you change the names of the groups it is okay to think this way...

That once having taken a wrong step it is too late to correct and step back

It's true of EVERY country/time that most people are too busy scratching a living to understand let alone do something about a growing threat until it is full blown and upon them

But as we see time and again, if it is allowed to get to that point, it is STILL not too late though the correction may be fraught with danger and many lose their lives.

Those who say it is too late? Are the ones who ASSIST the progression. IMO of course.

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posted September 12, 2014 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only difference I see between you and me, Pluto Survivor, is that you seem to think that because I dont see it as too late you think I am not standing up against the erosion of the american way of life. Nothing could be further from the truth and I speak up daily against both the ALLOWING you have pinpointed and the fatalism of "its too late"...and I also stand up against those who think its ok to stigmatize a whole people if its your tribe doing the stigmatization.

Those european countries now inundated with muslims are the countries who colonized africa and most of the world and made the natives citizens-by-proxy. That they have allowed things to go so far is scary but we are still in an earlier phase here in america.

It is far from too late if those who see interrupt the process on whatever level we can influence. Amis undying enmity is based on the fact that I disagree with the wholesale occupation and mistreatment of Palestinians. A complex situation with severe polarization included.

Some people only see one side of the equation. I see both. That is all.

Now what can you do to support your relative in reclaiming authority in their school? Can they dissolve it (for a few weeks perhaps)and start again with firmer guidelines? If the demanding muslims want to come back they can observe their own religion alongside the regular program/abstain from christmas/whatever works for everyone? Just some random ideas off the cuff...

Lets put some positive energy into this instead of forseeing inevitable mayhem?

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posted September 12, 2014 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, it would be good to come together to help take the momentum toward the other direction.

I will make suggestions for the school and send some articles their way about the religion. Still, they have final decision, but maybe bringing new information, pure and simple, will empower them to choose without complaining.

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posted September 13, 2014 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
yes, it would be good to come together to help take the momentum toward the other direction.

I will make suggestions for the school and send some articles their way about the religion. Still, they have final decision, but maybe bringing new information, pure and simple, will empower them to choose without complaining.


Complaining has it`s place.

I agree to turn the tide with education and concrete information , one can help can make a difference.

Be proactive and one person at a time, becomming a group and voice
carries weight.
To give in to fate, is not the answer and is a certain step to defeat of the soul and any countrys interest.

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posted September 16, 2014 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PlutoS, thank you for the thought provoking thread and the ability to have a conversation here

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posted September 16, 2014 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I second that...and for having the courage to at least act as if something can be done to stem the tide. All too often people mistake spreading doom and gloom and hate for "speaking up"...

We don, t really ever know, imo, when "too late" is...so best not to give up before time or, to quote my elders, to "book the game". While you may not save your school, and we may not save the situation, Fate has a way of yielding to people of spirit and if not, at least we did not concede the battle and hope.

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posted September 17, 2014 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’

‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed

Did the Amen Chorus read her original
post? She sounds like ME.

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posted September 17, 2014 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That reminds me of a song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ikZZDeogo

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posted September 17, 2014 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
PlutoS, thank you for the thought provoking thread and the ability to have a conversation here


Wow, thanks!

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posted September 18, 2014 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 18, 2014 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is nice to have a new member with really good things to say

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posted September 18, 2014 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does the peaceful majority speak up?

I put myself on the line every single day regarding the topic of this thread, as seen in the first post from this insightful and courageous poster because people are afraid to talk about this topic,just as people were afraid to talk about what was happening in Nazi Germany before it became obvious and at that point, one could not talk about it.

I have lost oodles of friends because of it but I don't care.

I want to have a legacy like Joan Rivers. She was a PERSON.

She had a VOICE.

She was not an amorphous politically correct blob!

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posted September 19, 2014 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are other ways to speak than through your voice or what you write.

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posted September 19, 2014 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
There are other ways to speak than through your voice or what you write.

Yes! An informed vote carries weight.

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posted September 21, 2014 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://rt.com/news/189168-german-muslims-protest-isis/

To the comfortable folk who sit in their safe homes complaining about "irrelevant peaceful muslims" try to understand that just because they aren't all out in the streets doesn't stop them being our most valuable allies in the fight against extremists. To discount them is to add weight to the Separatists' arguments. Most do NOT stage mass events like this but work quietly where you don't see them.

The letter in the OP has been doing the rounds for years and I have seen otherwise smart, compassionate people agreeing that "its too late" "they are cowed" etcetcetc.

Propaganda takes many forms and all sides.

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posted September 21, 2014 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where you been, Cata? I thought there was too much truth here and you could not take it.


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posted September 21, 2014 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cat, I didn`t see this touted on major news.

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The so-called 'Day of Action' involved nine large rallies in cities across Germany, including Berlin, Stuttgart, Hanover, and Mölln.

The peaceful don`t acquire major news flashs.

Only the fear and propaganda makes headlines.

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posted September 21, 2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cata

It is hard having an Amen Chorus when there is nothing to Amen

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posted September 24, 2014 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is one example of the "peaceful majority" "standing up". It is by such actions, one step at a time, that one puts one's feet down and prevents worse. "the price of freedom is vigilance" as I was told ad nauseamas a child. PS is so right that it is the little things along the way we must deal with before they become too big to handle. It may seem inconsequential but don't be fooled..
http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/stamford_h ill_posters_telling_women_what_side_of_the_road_to_walk_on_are_removed_1_3777431

From a local paper in Hackney, NE London where there is a large Asian and Muslim population.

Edit: I assumed when I first saw this that it was a Muslim sponsored sign. However, here's an ironic twist considering earlier comments in this thread...it was Hasidim who put it up...those "quiet keeping to themselves" separatists I mentioned and PS considered the essence of decorum.

Threats to our freedoms come from ALL directions. Careful you aren't too busy looking at one sector, you'll miss the rest

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posted September 24, 2014 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Threats to our freedoms come from ALL directions. Careful you aren't too busy looking at one sector

At least 90% or more of the threats come from one sector.

Let's please not spin to absurdity.

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